US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1509

On December 09 2014 05:31 nunez wrote:
after deciding that they are orcs, not humans,
the only logical choice is to execute them:
capture, torture, execute.

put their heads on stakes around the whitehouse.
stop being spineless, you are wasting time and money.

On December 09 2014 04:48 oneofthem wrote:
while gitmo is no paradise, it is still better (or worse? compared to heavenly virgins at least) than being killed outright. the active torture for intelligence is of dubious usefulness, and that has been discontinued.

it is obviously a PR mistake, but it is a PR mistake because of the active behavior of people, both on the side of gitmo and on the side of commentating on gitmo. without the torture incidents, which were limited at worst, the prisoners there are not scandalously held.

but it is a PR mistake because of the active behavior of people

What do you propose we do with all those idiots in there? Can we send them to Germany?

War was the leading cause of death in the military nearly every year between 2004 and 2011 until suicides became the top means of dying for troops in 2012 and 2013, according to a bar chart published this week in a monthly Pentagon medical statistical analysis journal.

For those last two years, suicide outranked war, cancer, heart disease, homicide, transportation accidents and other causes as the leading killer, accounting for about three in 10 military deaths each of those two years.

Transportation accidents, by a small margin, was the leading cause of military deaths in 2008, slightly more than combat.

On December 09 2014 06:14 Paljas wrote:

No, they were limited at best. Or did your NSA contact person present you with enough information of dubious usefulness (lol) to come to another conclusion?
Being held as a prisoner for years without an actual trial or accusal is scandalous itself.

things are PR mistakes because of the reaction of people to it? who knew
if only the NSA would read your posts on TL, they could really learn a lot.

Some of them? Sure. However, I'd be great if you guys wouldnt just chicken out of the whole deal and show responsibility for your torture camp.

The Obama administration released new guidelines today to ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement officers. The guidelines replace ones adopted by the Bush administration in 2003.

The new rules prohibit profiling based on race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion or sexual orientation and apply to federal officers, such as the FBI and Secret Service and any local law enforcement that work with them on task forces.

The guidelines, however, do not apply to screeners at airports or border check points.

Attorney General Eric Holder ordered the review in 2009 and released the new rules in the wake of two high-profile deaths involving police: an unarmed black 18-year-old who was shot in Ferguson in August and a New York City man who had been held in a chokehold earlier in the summer.

"As Attorney General, I have repeatedly made clear that profiling by law enforcement is not only wrong, it is profoundly misguided and ineffective," Holder said in a statement. "Particularly in light of certain recent incidents we've seen at the local level, and the widespread concerns about trust in the criminal justice process, it's imperative that we take every possible action to institute strong and sound policing practices."

According to the memo, federal agents can take race or other factors into consideration only if a suspect they are looking for is known to belong to one of those categories. But officers cannot blanket certain groups looking for possible criminal behavior.

On December 09 2014 06:12 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't think people are so upset about the fact that Guantanamo exists, but the more important point is that "prisoners of war" if you can call them that should at least get a trial and humane treatment.

On December 09 2014 06:23 heliusx wrote:


What do you mean? Show responsibility in what way? I legitimately want to know what you think should be done. It's easy to criticize something without offering any alternative.

Gitmo is obviously not a torture camp (the worst offense is feeding tubes to keep people alive)

"There isn't any other nation in the world that would treat people who were determined to kill Americans the way we're treating these people. They're living in the tropics. They're well fed. They've got everything they could possibly want."

The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, issued an extraordinary apology to leaders of the US Senate intelligence committee on Thursday, conceding that the agency employees spied on committee staff and reversing months of furious and public denials.

Brennan acknowledged that an internal investigation had found agency security personnel transgressed a firewall set up on a CIA network, which allowed Senate committee investigators to review agency documents for their landmark inquiry into CIA torture.

Among other things, it was revealed that agency officials conducted keyword searches and email searches on committee staff while they used the network.

On December 08 2014 23:33 oneofthem wrote:
the truth is that a lot of the detainees are just terrorists. what helps isis recruitment is people painting this silly simplistic picture of torture camp without cause.

On December 09 2014 07:39 oneofthem wrote:
you mock the statement of gitmo's good treatment, but it is true.

On December 09 2014 10:25 Nyxisto wrote:

I don't think being one level above Saddam Hussein's torture dungeons qualifies as "good".