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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
November 25 2014 03:27 GMT
#29001
On November 25 2014 12:25 Doublemint wrote:

#journalism at it's finest
?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:28 GMT
#29002
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 03:31:29
November 25 2014 03:30 GMT
#29003
On November 25 2014 12:26 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:21 IgnE wrote:
Isn't that what I said? I said his job was to present the state's best case. If you want to overhaul the grand jury system you should be starting with the disadvantaged people who are fucked over by it every day and subsequently forced to settle or go through a grueling trial process. If you wanted a full trial xdaunt maybe we should have had a full trial.

No, that is not their job. Prosecutors are ethically prohibited from burying evidence that exonerates defendants. They are officers of the court first and foremost, and advocates for the state second. That is why so many attorneys called for the head of the DA in Florida after the extent of the evidence in the Trayvon Martin case came to light.


Please. If they had evidence that completely exonerated him there wouldn't have even been a grand jury. There is no exonerating evidence to bury. It's a complicated case that should involve the weighing of evidence by a jury, not the decision of a DA to apologize for a cop. The man acted as his defense attorney laying out the evidence that it was self defense.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 03:31 GMT
#29004
My sentiments exactly:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 25 2014 03:31 GMT
#29005
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:31 GMT
#29006


wow...
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
November 25 2014 03:33 GMT
#29007
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt


You shouldn't charge people just to please and sedate a mob.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:35 GMT
#29008
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt


problem is it is also linked to an unprecedented high (reported?) amount of police brutality/shooting occurences the last couple of years.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 03:35 GMT
#29009
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 03:38:51
November 25 2014 03:37 GMT
#29010
shooting an unarmed kid doesnt sound frivolous to me.


I just feel so sorry for that community and the kids family.

even if they put all the Ferguson cops in jail forever, innocent kids still dead.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:37 GMT
#29011
On November 25 2014 12:35 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?


funny you say that in that context given the history of black people suffering exactly through that.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 03:38 GMT
#29012
On November 25 2014 12:37 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
shooting an unarmed kid doesnt sound frivolous to me.

Get a clue, dude. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason the grand jury didn't indict him....
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 03:39 GMT
#29013
On November 25 2014 12:37 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?


funny you say that in that context given the history of black people suffering exactly through that.

One more quote to chalk up to irrelevancy. I fail to see how to fucking a white guy over is going to fix the injustices in the justice system.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 25 2014 03:40 GMT
#29014
it has to start somewhere bud!
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:40 GMT
#29015
On November 25 2014 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:37 Doublemint wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?


funny you say that in that context given the history of black people suffering exactly through that.

One more quote to chalk up to irrelevancy. I fail to see how to fucking a white guy over is going to fix the injustices in the justice system.


rofl. irrelevancy. you are not in court mister. this is the real world where context matters a lot more.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 03:41 GMT
#29016
On November 25 2014 12:40 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:37 Doublemint wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?


funny you say that in that context given the history of black people suffering exactly through that.

One more quote to chalk up to irrelevancy. I fail to see how to fucking a white guy over is going to fix the injustices in the justice system.


rofl. irrelevancy. you are not in court mister. this is the real world where context matters a lot more.

Would you rather I say "stupidity" instead of "irrelevancy?" I was trying to be polite.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 03:41 GMT
#29017
Everyone go to Aljazeera America right now! They are live on the streets and gunshots were just fired around them.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 25 2014 03:42 GMT
#29018
xDaunt now advocating for balanced evidence review in every grand jury. Hell we might as well start allowing the accused to be present with an attorney. A sort of trial-before-the-trial.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
November 25 2014 03:42 GMT
#29019
On November 25 2014 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:40 Doublemint wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:37 Doublemint wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:31 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
in this kind of case, appearance of justice is more important than justice itself imo.

charge the guy with anything so he gets his day in court, even if you know he will be cleared down the way. Everybody is somewhat happy and you dont need the army, the fbi and military grade riot police to contain the shitquake.

take the story of this 12 years old kid who got shot in a Cleveland park by the cops because he had a fucking toygun.

the people has to have the impression those guys are held accountable, even if the system doesnt

How would you like to be frivolously charged with a crime and have the pleasure of living the next year of your life in fear of having your life ruined and facing the prospect of a nice, big six-figure attorney bill?


funny you say that in that context given the history of black people suffering exactly through that.

One more quote to chalk up to irrelevancy. I fail to see how to fucking a white guy over is going to fix the injustices in the justice system.


rofl. irrelevancy. you are not in court mister. this is the real world where context matters a lot more.

Would you rather I say "stupidity" instead of "irrelevancy?" I was trying to be polite.


yeah say stupidity. we don't want do let the level of discourse get too high here.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 03:44 GMT
#29020
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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