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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 02:29 GMT
#28961
Here we go?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 25 2014 02:32 GMT
#28962
I hope I don't get stabbed on the metro in baltimore tomorrow.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 25 2014 02:32 GMT
#28963
This prosecutor is going back and ripping witnesses for like the 5th time.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 02:33 GMT
#28964
On November 25 2014 11:32 RCMDVA wrote:
This prosecutor is going back and ripping witnesses for like the 5th time.

Eyewitness reports are notoriously bad.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
November 25 2014 02:33 GMT
#28965
Funny enough, unless the rioters start attacking people it's probably better if the police hang back. They're going to destroy as much stuff and steal as much as possible because they have an excuse because they're upset anyway, but if the police come out we'll probably see people killed.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 25 2014 02:37 GMT
#28966
On November 25 2014 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I love how the guy has called out the media for just making shit up.

It is glorious. I really like this guy
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 02:38 GMT
#28967
On November 25 2014 11:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I love how the guy has called out the media for just making shit up.

It is glorious. I really like this guy

Again, after what we saw with the Trayvon Martin case, is anyone surprised that the media has been caught making shit up again in one of these cases?
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 02:41:46
November 25 2014 02:39 GMT
#28968
The final 10 shots are on tape? was that audio?

(Did he say there is an audio tape of the final 10 shots?)
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 25 2014 02:40 GMT
#28969
On November 25 2014 11:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:32 RCMDVA wrote:
This prosecutor is going back and ripping witnesses for like the 5th time.

Eyewitness reports are notoriously bad.


This is the rare case where the prosecutor was basically acting as a defense attorney at a grand jury trial. It's supposed to be the other way around.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 25 2014 02:41 GMT
#28970
12 shots? Lol makes that statement that the police chief said near the start of this seem even more comically bad. 12 shots sounds like a lot though to me (who has no experience with this type of thing).
Never Knows Best.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 02:42 GMT
#28971
On November 25 2014 11:40 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:33 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 11:32 RCMDVA wrote:
This prosecutor is going back and ripping witnesses for like the 5th time.

Eyewitness reports are notoriously bad.


This is the rare case where the prosecutor was basically acting as a defense attorney at a grand jury trial. It's supposed to be the other way around.

And what are you basing this statement on?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 02:43 GMT
#28972
On November 25 2014 11:41 Slaughter wrote:
12 shots? Lol makes that statement that the police chief said near the start of this seem even more comically bad. 12 shots sounds like a lot though to me (who has no experience with this type of thing).

Go look up the studies on police accuracy firing their weapons under duress. It is "hilariously" bad.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 25 2014 02:43 GMT
#28973
On November 25 2014 11:38 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On November 25 2014 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I love how the guy has called out the media for just making shit up.

It is glorious. I really like this guy

Again, after what we saw with the Trayvon Martin case, is anyone surprised that the media has been caught making shit up again in one of these cases?

Yeah, the millions who wanted 'justice'.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 25 2014 02:48 GMT
#28974
On November 25 2014 11:43 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:41 Slaughter wrote:
12 shots? Lol makes that statement that the police chief said near the start of this seem even more comically bad. 12 shots sounds like a lot though to me (who has no experience with this type of thing).

Go look up the studies on police accuracy firing their weapons under duress. It is "hilariously" bad.


I've heard the Military has problems with that too. The problem of bad accuracy has been around for a while, I remember when I was younger when that vid of a police officer getting into a fire fight and killed by some random dude he pulled over was a thing because he wasn't ready/good with that type of situation.
Never Knows Best.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 02:49 GMT
#28975
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 25 2014 02:50 GMT
#28976
You can see the festivities outside the courthouse here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/heatherdemian

Not particularly interesting so far.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 25 2014 02:52 GMT
#28977
That "Killed with Impunity" reporter needs to be smacked.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13969 Posts
November 25 2014 02:55 GMT
#28978
On November 25 2014 11:52 RCMDVA wrote:
That "Killed with Impunity" reporter needs to be smacked.

more info on this ?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 03:20:29
November 25 2014 02:56 GMT
#28979
Reporter asked an extreeeeemmmmmeeelly loaded question about blacks being killed by police with impunity.


Went back and rewound a vid, basically the question was

Q: "Your somebody who's had your record questioned my members of the community , how do you feel announcing this decision, What message do you think it sends to the community, they have had numerous, predominantly young black males killed by police with impunity. What message do you think this sends to them?"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 25 2014 02:57 GMT
#28980
On November 25 2014 11:42 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:40 IgnE wrote:
On November 25 2014 11:33 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 11:32 RCMDVA wrote:
This prosecutor is going back and ripping witnesses for like the 5th time.

Eyewitness reports are notoriously bad.


This is the rare case where the prosecutor was basically acting as a defense attorney at a grand jury trial. It's supposed to be the other way around.

And what are you basing this statement on?


https://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/immediate-release-10-31-20141.pdf

"In his Oct. 31 press release, McCulloch explained that while “[n]ormally, homicide cases are heard by the grand jury in a concise manner with one or two investigators summarizing complex medical and scientific evidence, other physical evidence, and the statements of all witnesses,” in this case “all witnesses with any relevant evidence are being summoned to the grand jury to give their sworn testimony.”

In other words, while McCulloch would normally send in a cop or two to briefly outline the evidence and then “ask” the grand jury to indict, in this case he has decided that the grand jury will hear from actual witnesses and weigh actual evidence from both sides before deciding whether or not there is probable cause to believe that Officer Wilson committed a felony."

The prosecutor has unavoidable biases that have led to him taking extraordinary actions in making sure that the grand jury decides on no charges. The normal indictment rate is over 90%, including cases with far less evidence of wrongdoing.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
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