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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24510 Posts
September 08 2014 16:50 GMT
#25521
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 08 2014 15:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 08 2014 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
HARRISBURG, Pa., Sept 6 (Reuters) - A Pennsylvania woman has been sentenced to up to 18 months in prison for obtaining so-called abortion pills online and providing them to her teenage daughter to end her pregnancy.Jennifer Ann Whalen, 39, of Washingtonville, a single mother who works as a nursing home aide, pleaded guilty in August to obtaining the miscarriage-inducing pills from an online site in Europe for her daughter, 16, who did not want to have the child.

Whalen was sentenced on Friday by Montour County Court of Common Pleas Judge Gary Norton to serve 12 months to 18 months in prison for violating a state law that requires abortions to be performed by physicians.

She was also fined $1,000 and ordered to perform 40 hours of community service after her release. The felony offense called for up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

Matthew Bingham Banks, Whalen's lawyer, previously told Reuters criminal prosecutions of this kind were not common.

Whalen told authorities there was no local clinic available to perform an abortion and her daughter did not have health insurance to cover a hospital abortion, the Press Enterprise newspaper of Bloomsburg reported.

Her daughter experienced severe cramping and bleeding after taking the pills and Whalen took her to a hospital hear her home for treatment, the newspaper said.


Source

More prison time/community service for having an abortion than you get for settling a multi-million dollar heist..... Gotta love the law...

"Equal justice under law" my ass yet again.. Just take it down, along with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty... They both mean absolutely nothing.... Or if we are just going to lie to people, we might as well promise them all a free pony and a new car...

EDIT: I am a little drunk I'll revisit this sentiment in the morning.

Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#25522
On September 09 2014 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 08 2014 15:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 08 2014 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
HARRISBURG, Pa., Sept 6 (Reuters) - A Pennsylvania woman has been sentenced to up to 18 months in prison for obtaining so-called abortion pills online and providing them to her teenage daughter to end her pregnancy.Jennifer Ann Whalen, 39, of Washingtonville, a single mother who works as a nursing home aide, pleaded guilty in August to obtaining the miscarriage-inducing pills from an online site in Europe for her daughter, 16, who did not want to have the child.

Whalen was sentenced on Friday by Montour County Court of Common Pleas Judge Gary Norton to serve 12 months to 18 months in prison for violating a state law that requires abortions to be performed by physicians.

She was also fined $1,000 and ordered to perform 40 hours of community service after her release. The felony offense called for up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

Matthew Bingham Banks, Whalen's lawyer, previously told Reuters criminal prosecutions of this kind were not common.

Whalen told authorities there was no local clinic available to perform an abortion and her daughter did not have health insurance to cover a hospital abortion, the Press Enterprise newspaper of Bloomsburg reported.

Her daughter experienced severe cramping and bleeding after taking the pills and Whalen took her to a hospital hear her home for treatment, the newspaper said.


Source

More prison time/community service for having an abortion than you get for settling a multi-million dollar heist..... Gotta love the law...

"Equal justice under law" my ass yet again.. Just take it down, along with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty... They both mean absolutely nothing.... Or if we are just going to lie to people, we might as well promise them all a free pony and a new car...

EDIT: I am a little drunk I'll revisit this sentiment in the morning.

Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

Yeah, no shit. That's my point...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24510 Posts
September 08 2014 17:35 GMT
#25523
On September 09 2014 02:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 08 2014 15:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 08 2014 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
HARRISBURG, Pa., Sept 6 (Reuters) - A Pennsylvania woman has been sentenced to up to 18 months in prison for obtaining so-called abortion pills online and providing them to her teenage daughter to end her pregnancy.Jennifer Ann Whalen, 39, of Washingtonville, a single mother who works as a nursing home aide, pleaded guilty in August to obtaining the miscarriage-inducing pills from an online site in Europe for her daughter, 16, who did not want to have the child.

Whalen was sentenced on Friday by Montour County Court of Common Pleas Judge Gary Norton to serve 12 months to 18 months in prison for violating a state law that requires abortions to be performed by physicians.

She was also fined $1,000 and ordered to perform 40 hours of community service after her release. The felony offense called for up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

Matthew Bingham Banks, Whalen's lawyer, previously told Reuters criminal prosecutions of this kind were not common.

Whalen told authorities there was no local clinic available to perform an abortion and her daughter did not have health insurance to cover a hospital abortion, the Press Enterprise newspaper of Bloomsburg reported.

Her daughter experienced severe cramping and bleeding after taking the pills and Whalen took her to a hospital hear her home for treatment, the newspaper said.


Source

More prison time/community service for having an abortion than you get for settling a multi-million dollar heist..... Gotta love the law...

"Equal justice under law" my ass yet again.. Just take it down, along with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty... They both mean absolutely nothing.... Or if we are just going to lie to people, we might as well promise them all a free pony and a new car...

EDIT: I am a little drunk I'll revisit this sentiment in the morning.

Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

Yeah, no shit. That's my point...


Yeah but the inequity in legislation/enforcement/adjudications isn't a sometimes issue. But you already know that, so I don't get why (or what , for that matter) you are arguing?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 08 2014 17:49 GMT
#25524
On September 09 2014 02:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 08 2014 15:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 08 2014 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
[quote]

Source

More prison time/community service for having an abortion than you get for settling a multi-million dollar heist..... Gotta love the law...

"Equal justice under law" my ass yet again.. Just take it down, along with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty... They both mean absolutely nothing.... Or if we are just going to lie to people, we might as well promise them all a free pony and a new car...

EDIT: I am a little drunk I'll revisit this sentiment in the morning.

Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

Yeah, no shit. That's my point...


Yeah but the inequity in legislation/enforcement/adjudications isn't a sometimes issue. But you already know that, so I don't get why (or what , for that matter) you are arguing?

I can't get any simpler than this:

Different crimes have different punishments.
Breaking the law should result in punishment.
You can't extrapolate patterns from anecdotal evidence.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12086 Posts
September 08 2014 18:16 GMT
#25525
Is it not pretty much a known fact that the results of court cases in the US are highly dependent on how much money you can afford to spend on a lawyer? At least i thought that was the case and barely disputed by anyone, and it is pretty much the only way to explain the difference in costs of a better lawyer compared to a mediocre one. Because why would anyone pay for the better one if it only wins marginally more cases?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24510 Posts
September 08 2014 18:18 GMT
#25526
On September 09 2014 02:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 08 2014 15:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]
More prison time/community service for having an abortion than you get for settling a multi-million dollar heist..... Gotta love the law...

"Equal justice under law" my ass yet again.. Just take it down, along with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty... They both mean absolutely nothing.... Or if we are just going to lie to people, we might as well promise them all a free pony and a new car...

EDIT: I am a little drunk I'll revisit this sentiment in the morning.

Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

Yeah, no shit. That's my point...


Yeah but the inequity in legislation/enforcement/adjudications isn't a sometimes issue. But you already know that, so I don't get why (or what , for that matter) you are arguing?

I can't get any simpler than this:

Different crimes have different punishments.
Breaking the law should result in punishment.
You can't extrapolate patterns from anecdotal evidence.



You don't have to use anecdotal evidence. The patterns are clear as day.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 08 2014 18:27 GMT
#25527
On September 09 2014 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:30 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 09 2014 00:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
[quote]
Equal justice under the law doesn't mean equal punishment for different crimes. She illegally imported and administered prescription drugs that resulted in injury to a minor. Some punishment seems justified.


Haha I almost took that seriously for a second. Yeah I mean why not give her a worse punishment than the teenager who killed 4 people driving drunk? No one denying anyone justice around here.

Comparing one unrelated case to another doesn't carry a lot of value. Heck, you're talking about different laws in different jurisdictions.


What does it matter? Unless you are going to try to tell me that teen was how most teens get treated in similar circumstances?

If you really think that guy and some poor person who did the same exact thing would get remotely the same outcome you are completely delusional.

Rich guy Bernie Madoff got 150 years in jail for financial fraud. Real estate agent Yevgenity Charikov got zero time for mortgage fraud (source). Sometimes regular people get a better deal than the rich. That's just how these things go - every case is different.


Sometimes all sorts of things happen that don't at all reflect the common reality ... 'Sometimes' doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

Yeah, no shit. That's my point...


Yeah but the inequity in legislation/enforcement/adjudications isn't a sometimes issue. But you already know that, so I don't get why (or what , for that matter) you are arguing?

I can't get any simpler than this:

Different crimes have different punishments.
Breaking the law should result in punishment.
You can't extrapolate patterns from anecdotal evidence.

You don't have to use anecdotal evidence. The patterns are clear as day.

Than why do you constantly rely on anecdotal evidence?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 08 2014 18:45 GMT
#25528
On September 09 2014 03:16 Simberto wrote:
Is it not pretty much a known fact that the results of court cases in the US are highly dependent on how much money you can afford to spend on a lawyer? At least i thought that was the case and barely disputed by anyone, and it is pretty much the only way to explain the difference in costs of a better lawyer compared to a mediocre one. Because why would anyone pay for the better one if it only wins marginally more cases?

The only thing I found googling was that public defenders are as good as private attorneys, but assigned counsel isn't so great.

Who’s better at defending criminals? Does type of defense attorney matter in terms of producing favorable case outcomes

By Thomas H. Cohen

The role of defense counsel in criminal cases constitutes a topic of substantial importance for judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, scholars, and policymakers. What types of defense counsel (e.g., public defenders, privately retained attorneys, or assigned counsel) represent defendants in criminal cases and how do these defense counsel types perform in terms of securing favorable outcomes for their clients? These and other issues are addressed in this article analyzing felony case processing data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). Specifically, this paper examines whether there are differences between defense counsel type and the adjudication and sentencing phases of criminal case processing. Results show that private attorneys and public defenders secure similar adjudication and sentencing outcomes for their clients. Defendants with assigned counsel, however, receive less favorable outcomes compared to their counterparts with public defenders. This article concludes by discussing the policy implications of these findings and possible avenues for future research.

Link
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12086 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 18:58:24
September 08 2014 18:56 GMT
#25529
Maybe i am confusing your obviously unfair civil law with your criminal law. I assumed they both worked similarly.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2014 18:58 GMT
#25530
If you're a politician, science is a bitch; it resists spin. And a new set of studies—about, of all things, a simple molecule known as CH4—show that President Obama's climate change strategy is starting to unravel even as it's being knit. To be specific: Most of the administration's theoretical gains in the fight against global warming have come from substituting natural gas for coal. But it looks now as if that doesn't really help.

In a very real sense it's not entirely the president's fault. When Obama took office in 2008 he decided to deal with health care before climate change, in essence tackling the biggest remaining problem of the 20th century before teeing up the biggest challenge of the 21st. His team told environmentalists that they wouldn't be talking about global warming, focusing instead on "green jobs." Obama did seize the opportunity offered by the auto industry bailout to demand higher mileage standards—a useful move, but one that will pay off slowly over the decades. Other than that, faced with a hostile Congress, he spent no political capital on climate.

But he was able nonetheless to claim a victory of sorts. His accession to office coincided (coincidentally) with the widespread adoption of hydraulic fracking to drill for natural gas, resulting in a sudden boom in supplies and a rapid drop in price, to the point where gas began to supplant coal as the fuel of choice for American power plants. As a result (and as a result of the recession Obama also inherited), the nation's carbon dioxide emissions began to fall modestly.

For a political leader, it was the very definition of a lucky break: Without having to do much heavy lifting against the power of the fossil fuel industry, the administration was able to produce results. In fact, it gave Obama cover from the right, as he in essence turned the GOP chant of "Drill Baby Drill" into "Frack Baby Frack." Not only that, the cheap gas was a boost to sputtering American manufacturing, making it profitable once again to make chemicals and other goods close to home. As Obama said in his 2012 State of the Union address, as his reelection campaign geared up, "We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly a hundred years, and my administration will take every possible action to safely develop this energy."

In his second term, Obama has become more vocal about climate change—and even more explicit in his reliance on natural gas to make the numbers work. Here's the State of the Union 2014: "If extracted safely, it's the bridge fuel that can power our economy with less of the carbon pollution that causes climate change."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
September 08 2014 19:12 GMT
#25531
And then there is the story of the 22 year old preschool student from Denmark in New York. He was cleared of wrongdoing by the preschools internal investigation and the police only seems to have a single ex-employees word for it and a forced confession (Claiming they had video evidence of him doing something while that was untrue). The 15 counts are 12 of inappropriate touching on the outside of clothes 2 cases of sitting the children on his lap and 1 of moving a head to his genetalia outside the clothes. The kid was placed in Rikers Island in isolation because of death threats. When he was supposed to be released on bail he was for some reason driven back to Rikers Island to spend another night.

Now the case is dragging since the prosecutor still haven't investigated the case enough and while next hearing should be in mid september it is more likely december before a judge can reveal if there is even going to be a case.

The preschool is for children of UN personel and other high end people, which has lead to a suspicion that a parent has "pushed things along".
New York Post (main story)
New York Post (bail)

No, USA seems to have some problems with power and money increasing the maneuver room significantly when dealing with police and judicial system.
Repeat before me
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
September 08 2014 19:29 GMT
#25532
A preschool doesn't have the authority to determine his innocence. Secondly why would he admit to doing something he didn't do? They claimed they had video of him doing something he knows he didn't do... so he confesses? I'm not saying the guy is guilty but fuck when you confess to diddling kids you're going to get in serious shit. Third supposedly they said he could go back home to Denmark if he confessed, so he did. That's his own story, doesn't seem like they forced anything. Seems like he was too dumb to realize a cops promise means nothing in an interrogation.
dude bro.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10990 Posts
September 08 2014 19:33 GMT
#25533
sounds like he tried the easiest way out when it was offered him... Which is kinda understandable.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
September 08 2014 19:38 GMT
#25534
On September 09 2014 04:33 Velr wrote:
sounds like he tried the easiest way out when it was offered him... Which is kinda understandable.

Admitting that you molested kids will never ever end well. I thought everyone would realize that.
dude bro.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
September 08 2014 19:44 GMT
#25535
On September 09 2014 04:29 heliusx wrote:
A preschool doesn't have the authority to determine his innocence. Secondly why would he admit to doing something he didn't do? They claimed they had video of him doing something he knows he didn't do... so he confesses? I'm not saying the guy is guilty but fuck when you confess to diddling kids you're going to get in serious shit. Third supposedly they said he could go back home to Denmark if he confessed, so he did. That's his own story, doesn't seem like they forced anything. Seems like he was too dumb to realize a cops promise means nothing in an interrogation.

In Denmark police is not allowed to lie like that under an interrogation.
Repeat before me
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10990 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 19:50:45
September 08 2014 19:50 GMT
#25536
Police normally isn't allowed to lie to you? At least here i think. So, no matter what, he wanted to take the easy way out and didn't think that the us justice system is allowed to pull of shit like this... That way you might get plenty of people admitting crimes they didn't do...

(Not trying to protect the guy or anything, i have no clue about the case but i can understand why he would admit to have done it even if he didn't).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2014 19:54 GMT
#25537
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 20:01:21
September 08 2014 20:00 GMT
#25538
On September 09 2014 04:44 radiatoren wrote:
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On September 09 2014 04:29 heliusx wrote:
A preschool doesn't have the authority to determine his innocence. Secondly why would he admit to doing something he didn't do? They claimed they had video of him doing something he knows he didn't do... so he confesses? I'm not saying the guy is guilty but fuck when you confess to diddling kids you're going to get in serious shit. Third supposedly they said he could go back home to Denmark if he confessed, so he did. That's his own story, doesn't seem like they forced anything. Seems like he was too dumb to realize a cops promise means nothing in an interrogation.

In Denmark police is not allowed to lie like that under an interrogation.

Well it isn't right but police regularly use that tactic against intellectually disabled persons in attempts to get confessions.

@velr You keep saying you understand why he would admit to it. Why? I would never do that in a million years. That's not something they gonna let you get away with.
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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
September 08 2014 20:17 GMT
#25539
On September 09 2014 05:00 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 04:44 radiatoren wrote:
On September 09 2014 04:29 heliusx wrote:
A preschool doesn't have the authority to determine his innocence. Secondly why would he admit to doing something he didn't do? They claimed they had video of him doing something he knows he didn't do... so he confesses? I'm not saying the guy is guilty but fuck when you confess to diddling kids you're going to get in serious shit. Third supposedly they said he could go back home to Denmark if he confessed, so he did. That's his own story, doesn't seem like they forced anything. Seems like he was too dumb to realize a cops promise means nothing in an interrogation.

In Denmark police is not allowed to lie like that under an interrogation.

Well it isn't right but police regularly use that tactic against intellectually disabled persons in attempts to get confessions.

@velr You keep saying you understand why he would admit to it. Why? I would never do that in a million years. That's not something they gonna let you get away with.

Getting intellectually disabled persons to confess is a pretty terrible version of entrapment. Not exactly a recipe for sincerity or justice.

I haven't heard the specifics from him about why he signed the confession and his lawyer has stopped him from explaining that specific element qua the upcoming process. Presumably he didn't read what he signed, but the 1 hour interrogation was closed for public to avoid exposing the potential victims.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24510 Posts
September 08 2014 20:42 GMT
#25540
On September 09 2014 05:00 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 04:44 radiatoren wrote:
On September 09 2014 04:29 heliusx wrote:
A preschool doesn't have the authority to determine his innocence. Secondly why would he admit to doing something he didn't do? They claimed they had video of him doing something he knows he didn't do... so he confesses? I'm not saying the guy is guilty but fuck when you confess to diddling kids you're going to get in serious shit. Third supposedly they said he could go back home to Denmark if he confessed, so he did. That's his own story, doesn't seem like they forced anything. Seems like he was too dumb to realize a cops promise means nothing in an interrogation.

In Denmark police is not allowed to lie like that under an interrogation.

Well it isn't right but police regularly use that tactic against intellectually disabled persons in attempts to get confessions.

@velr You keep saying you understand why he would admit to it. Why? I would never do that in a million years. That's not something they gonna let you get away with.



The reason people admit to crimes they didn't commit is usually to get a plea deal. Prosecutors couldn't give a shit less about the truth of an event. When they decide they are going for a conviction, they are going for a conviction regardless of whether you are guilty (countless cases of prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence shows this beyond anecdotal stories I've seen)..

So when there is enough 'evidence' to convince a jury of potentially incompetent schmucks regardless of whether you did something or not going to trial for a crime you didn't commit is not always your best option.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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