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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
Its really sad to me that the lessons of ww2 weren't learned... The only solution is love and respect for humanity, which is nonexistent on either side of the conflict. The region has been disputed for over 1000 years, and will likely be disputed for 1000 more. Why anyone would want to live there and support either side is beyond reason and logic. | ||
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Sinok
Israel38 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:45 Destro wrote: religious zealots vs religious zealots, neither side deserves the land imo. Its really sad to me that the lessons of ww2 weren't learned... The only solution is love and respect for humanity, which is nonexistent on either side of the conflict. The region has been disputed for over 1000 years, and will likely be disputed for 1000 more. Why anyone would want to live there and support either side is beyond reason and logic. since you know so much about the subject, can you please explain how religion factors into this? | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:45 Destro wrote: religious zealots vs religious zealots, neither side deserves the land imo. Its really sad to me that the lessons of ww2 weren't learned... The only solution is love and respect for humanity, which is nonexistent on either side of the conflict. The region has been disputed for over 1000 years, and will likely be disputed for 1000 more. Why anyone would want to live there and support either side is beyond reason and logic. Hard to say it's a solution when neither side even really wants it. And if I were to interpret your comment literally as an actual "love ... for humanity," not only is that not in their value system at all, it's too closely associated with "wordly" values to them. Why value humanity when humans are inherently sinful anyways. Not that I disagree with you, just extending your comment from "nonexistent" to "not even sought after." Kinda sad  . On November 15 2012 18:53 Sinok wrote: since you know so much about the subject, can you please explain how religion factors into this? Is that a serious question? How religious tensions factored and contributed to the culmination of current events? On November 15 2012 18:55 mdb wrote: I dont know who is right and who is wrong in this conflict. Maybe both sides are wrong and right at the same time, but absolutely nothing justifies killing children. While I agree... I think your statement should be extended to include "innocent people." Unless you buy into the argument that if you live in a nation and pay taxes you are indirectly supporting their objectives whether you agree or even explicitly disagree with their actions. I believe that was a justification for Al-Qaeda and 9/11 in response to the civilians not being innocent in their eyes. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:53 Sinok wrote: since you know so much about the subject, can you please explain how religion factors into this? Can you please explain, concisely, the past two thousand years of Judeo-Christian history? Thanks. The WZO didn't choose the land now known as Israel for its agriculture and friendly cultural climate. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:53 Sinok wrote: since you know so much about the subject, can you please explain how religion factors into this? Sit down.. this is going to take a while... | ||
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Sinok
Israel38 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
I'm disgusted by how conflicts involve people who didn't ask for it, aka the civilians, (and a child... A fu**ing child, not even capable of understanding the situation....). I just see shots being fired and innocent people die (on both sides...). | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:08 Sinok wrote: i thought we were talking about the recent events, if you're talking about "the past two thousand years" then i withdraw my question Nothing is without context. | ||
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Rubyfire
Germany186 Posts
As said in the end it's always the civilians that suffer most... | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:45 Destro wrote: religious zealots vs religious zealots, neither side deserves the land imo. Its really sad to me that the lessons of ww2 weren't learned... The only solution is love and respect for humanity, which is nonexistent on either side of the conflict. The region has been disputed for over 1000 years, and will likely be disputed for 1000 more. Why anyone would want to live there and support either side is beyond reason and logic. They've been fighting for well over 2000 years easy. The bible has then fighting for the land WAY way back before Babylonia was even an empire city. | ||
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IveReturned
Turkey258 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:12 IveReturned wrote: Israel is gonna surpass nazi germany... 3.6 M arabs killed in the last 50 years Actually, they killed fewer people in the last 50 years than Syria did in the last month. Anyone truly concernced with the lives of Arabs would prioritize. | ||
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Sinok
Israel38 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:12 Rubyfire wrote: Let's just hope Iran will stay out of this. "Good" that Israel started this and not Palestine so they can't drag western countries into a direct conflict that easily. As said in the end it's always the civilians that suffer most... um.. israel started this because palestine can't start anything, they did their best, dozens, maybe over 100 rockets before israel retaliated. i'm not sure what you mean by "israel started this".. edit: here's a cool link i found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012 | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:12 Sermokala wrote: They've been fighting for well over 2000 years easy. The bible has then fighting for the land WAY way back before Babylonia was even an empire city. there is so much wrong with this statement lol. 1: Christianity isnt older then 2000 years. 2. Regardless, they arent fighting for christianity. 3. the bible in it current form is only a few hundred years old. 4. Ancient babylon pre-dates the bible by a good 3000 years. 5. Babylon/Babylonia originates in current day Iraq, not israel. 6. Judaism is MUCH older then christianity. You need to read some books. or even shitty movies. or like, anything. | ||
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
can understand both sides. i am dissapointed with israel tho | ||
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Rubyfire
Germany186 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:18 Sinok wrote: um.. israel started this because palestine can't start anything, they did their best, dozens, maybe over 100 rockets before israel retaliated. i'm not sure what you mean by "israel started this".. Nevermind. I assumed Israel was a member of the NATO, so if they get attacked (read direct conflict) the rest of the NATO members would have to come to defend, dragging other arab countries to defend Palestine and so on. I meant the pretty likely to follow open conflict not the type Israel and Palestine were having in the past, because that's to long to really tell who started in the first place. | ||
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
On November 15 2012 18:16 StayPhrosty wrote: Ah, so many people starting their posts trying to be sympathetic and then rambling on into anti-semetic and/or anti-islamic racist ignorant bullshit. People are dying needlessly in a conflict that has lasted thousands of years. Yes it is rooted in faith traditions and deep-rooted cultural tensions, but with modern human achievements comes the realization that there is no reason for this to continue. People do not need to kill each other because they are angry, it is as simple as that. I eagerly await the day we finally have to power to stop this senseless violence. No one is without blood on their hands, neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor Palestine, nor the Christians, nor the Arabs, nor the Jews. There is no 'good side' or 'evil side', there is only baseless hatred and violence. No one is 'justified' and no one 'was there first' or 'has more claim to the land'. The land must be shared between people of every faith and culture, and we as human beings need to move past "revenge" and on towards "forgiveness". Sadly, I do not think this hatred will be erased until humanity makes a major leap forward (technologically, or perhaps politically or socially). All we can hope for is that the policy makers can reduce violence to a minimum and extend any momentary peace treaties as long as they can. I'm also an idealist at heart, but the above will never happen as things currently stand man. My prediction is that in the long term there will be 2, at most 3 superpowers, with us/eu and China with the rest of Asia. Not too sure about Russia and India, but essentially the middle east will cease to exist after a war not on the scale of nuclear. They become the palestine of the world, maybe. Only after that will real progress for the human race happen. I say this because there is potential for both superpowers to develop space tech without each other. And that they cannot war with each other because it will be too destructive for progress to happen afterwards. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On November 15 2012 19:25 Rubyfire wrote: Nevermind. I assumed Israel was a member of the NATO, so if they get attacked (read direct conflict) the rest of the NATO members would have to come to defend, dragging other arab countries to defend Palestine and so on. I meant the pretty likely to follow open conflict not the type Israel and Palestine were having in the past, because that's to long to really tell who started in the first place. Arab countries are currently far too busy figuring out how to murder their own civillians and prevent the Arab spring from knocking on their respective door. They can't afford to get their asses handed to them by Israel, again. | ||
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