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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
On September 06 2012 14:49 Dispersion wrote: Get Crane the FUCK out of there! NOW! Yeah if what I've read so far is true, then we need to get him out before he gets fucked over. I don't care what this guy thinks he can pull off, but if he actually scammed this many people, he should leave progamming and never come back. This shit is literally unforgivable. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out. I'd like to second this. I had no idea something this serious had been flying under the radar for so long. If this is all true, I really feel bad for Crane. | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out. LuckoftheIrish's post on page 2 touches on a lot of the history involving Blackfoger and Blight. Basically, he has made numerous promises to players and teams in progaming(not sure if these were contracts or just unofficial agreements), then he has been unwilling or unable to follow through on said obligations. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
Oh boy. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:12 supernovamaniac wrote: Crane: "But I already signed the contract..." Oh boy. Fuck, this is bad. Best of luck crane, you;re going to need it. Is it legal in korea to sign a contract with out it being translated? as in could it be voided? Sounds like black foger is talking out of his ass when saying his players werer warned about his history. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:13 Jaaaaasper wrote: Fuck, this is bad. Best of luck crane, you;re going to need it. Is it legal in korea to sign a contract with out it being translated? as in could it be voided? Sounds like black foger is talking out of his ass when saying his players werer warned about his history. Not translated. It was in English. | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
I don't know how valid or true these things are though. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:16 supernovamaniac wrote: Not translated. It was in English. Bastard. Thats jsut slimey. Looks like hes still at it. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
1. He didn't know about the team's history 2. His contract was in English, not translated. It seemed like he didn't understand English well either, given that he told me he couldn't understand the cadred page because it was in English 3. He already signed the contract. | ||
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Blackfoger
81 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:17 Schnake wrote: I remember reading some bad stuff about blackfoger in the past, e.g. http://www.nerdbuster.com/2011/04/blackfoger-struck-a-deal-with-the-devil/ and http://www.nerdbuster.com/2011/11/blackfoger-has-been-caught-in-dirty-dealings-again/ or http://www.nerdbuster.com/2011/05/blackfogers-credit-card-got-declined-players-ended-up-paying-for-the-hotel/. I don't know how valid or true these things are though. Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team. | ||
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nBk
174 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:20 Blackfoger wrote: Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team. I'm curious why you've avoided so many questions that people who know you from the past, asked. Also why didn't you translate the contract to crane? That's pretty shady. | ||
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ANoise
United States67 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:20 Blackfoger wrote: Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team. Sorry then, whats this? http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/139608/ | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:20 Blackfoger wrote: Not valid NerdBuster was a rumor site that published articles base on teams rumors. I know a few of them were published about a competiting team to create drama within that team. So, everyone is out to get you and your team now? People in progaming are simply fabricating lies to distort your reputation? How about you own up to the questions raised in this thread instead of selectively answering(and ignoring) them, because it looks like you pulled the wool over Crane's eyes to gain an advantage in signing him. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
On September 06 2012 13:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Are you familiar with Blight's history? A lot of people aren't. They've quote-unquote sponsored teams in many, many games now. The result has always been the same: the players end up screwed, paying for costs out of their own pocket after Blackfoger promises to cover their expenses at the minimum. Blackfoger: Did you or did you not promise your old Dota squad, consisting of Demon, Fear, Merlini, Puppey and Kuroky, salaries and travel expenses for LAN competitions? Did you or did you not follow through? Did you or did you not lie to DaZed about getting your CSS team tickets to participate in ESEA? Did you or did you not offer them salaries? Did you or did you not follow through? Did you or did you not promise anGer of Mika Gaming a $1,500 travel stipend to attend LANChamp LA? Did you or did you not follow through? Did you or did you not promise Zomblerz, including heatwave and Griff, $500 to attend a LAN, in exchange for the team playing as Blight.Zomblerz? Did you or did you not follow through? If not, did JBL from Demonic Gaming cover the team's expenses instead? Did this cause MaxFrag, your lead sponsor, to drop your organization as a result? Did you or did you not promise Fnatic Dota 100% expense coverage for ADL and 80% coverage for SMM? Did you or did you not offer to buy out their existing contracts with Fnatic at a cost of roughly 250 Euros per player? Did this iteration of blight.dota ever receive any money from you? Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC? Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses? Was Daniel "rape" Börzsönyi of Dateam, at that time sponsored by Blight, correct in his characterization of your promises as 'a great lie'? Was Alex Conroy of JMC correct with his characterization of your organization as fundamentally dishonest and illegitimate? I'd welcome your answers to my questions. Until then your further participation in Starcraft and any other legitimate esports will be greeted with a mixture of scepticism and disdain. Quoting this as this is basically what everyone wants to hear from Blackfoger himself Edit: On September 06 2012 15:03 Kennigit wrote: Can someone give me the Coles notes on Blight and whats been going on? First time ive been completely unaware of something that seems pretty serious. Would like to escalate it if its as bad as everyone makes out. | ||
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bK-
United States326 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:31 .kv wrote: Quoting this as this is basically what everyone wants to hear from Blackfoger himself Edit: I would like to see him answer all these questions without blatantly ignoring them. | ||
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Blackfoger
81 Posts
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On September 06 2012 15:38 Blackfoger wrote: Talked with a few staff and players I will write a long and detaile article about our past within next day or two. Did you lose your credit card and need "3-5 business days" to answer a few questions now? I hope the contract can be voided because it wasn't translated to korean, because people deserve second chances, not 15 of them. | ||
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Pongo
Australia79 Posts
If some dodgy stuff is going on I would be very surprised if Crank couldn't just walk. I'd be disappointed if the states didn't have similar provisions designed to protect both parties in a contract. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On September 06 2012 13:10 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Did you represent Blight Gaming within the TF2 community as a registered LLC based in Washington, DC? Did blight.fanom receive money from you? In particular, did you promise to pay for that team's travel expenses? Did you reimburse blight.fanom for their out-of-pocket expenses? I cant comment on any of the CS, SC2 or Dota goings on with blight, but in TF2, blackfoger has really and truly screwed over teams several times over the last few years. Though I cannot confirm current standing, blackfoger, as of earlier this year, owed one TF2 player over $1000 USD for promised flights and hotels. Said player payed that out of pocket so that his team might be able to get to LAN and compete. May be the same incident, but I also remember that a team was trying to check into their hotel, but when the hotel ran the credit card information (blackfoger's, or more likely as we found out, his mother's), it wouldn't go through so the team had to pay for the hotel out of pocket. That may or may not have been payed back, a lot of the articles and forum proceedings that occurred during that time have since been completely lost, but there are some really shady business practices going on with blackfoger. His past performance in the TF2 community has been spotty to say the least. I really do hope that blackfoger can come through here, esports needs more sponsors. As far as I know, they have a TF2 team right now (blight.Xensity) that they are providing league fees, servers etc for, without incident. It is possible that they have cleaned up their act, as I never got the vibe from blackfoger that he was a scammer, just someone who was way in over their head on something that takes a lot more planning, organisation, work and money than they thought. Skepticism here is well deserved, and everyone involved needs to be aware of the shady practices in the past. Blight is a bad name in the TF2 community, and it has a long way to go before it can even start building up a positive reputation. some reading http://www.nerdbuster.com/2011/11/blackfoger-has-been-caught-in-dirty-dealings-again/ really informative article on ESEA site about the TF2 team, some of the CS things and an ex staff member of blight (TheWhiz) talking about what went on and such. http://news.esea.net/tf2/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=8442 *edit* Knew I had another couple articles from ESEA http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=8072 http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=8374 Seriously, this guy is bad mojo, I dont really know who Crane is, but when I saw Blight on the sidebar on this site, I almost cried. I hope things turn out better this time for blackfoger and everyone involved. | ||
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