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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 13 2012 05:20 GMT
#521
good job byun! though you could have won 3-0 regardless lol. completely dominated nestea.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
July 13 2012 05:24 GMT
#522
On July 13 2012 13:55 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Byun's a tool.. Great player but a snake. He certainly won't be getting any favours from IM players anytime soon. I am surprised he would exploit this bug so shortly after coming back from his match-fixing scandal.



THE AUDACITY
SeAK
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada69 Posts
July 13 2012 05:25 GMT
#523
LOL Nestea didn't even notice during the game and no viewers noticed during GSTL at all. ONLY byun noticed so IMHO there should be no argument here, only GOM is to blame.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 13 2012 05:25 GMT
#524
It was pretty bad sportsmanship not to immediately report it to the GSL staff, but I can't fault him entirely for doing everything (barely) within the rules to win.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Mallard86
Profile Joined May 2011
186 Posts
July 13 2012 05:29 GMT
#525
Byun noticed a change that most of the players did not notice because it is a standard feature in maps and they take them for granted. In doing so, he must have checked other maps to see if the same changes had been made so that he could utilize the same bunker block on other maps. If he did, which I have no doubt that he did, he would have found that the difference was unique to Metropolis. That he did not report the issue and that he chose to keep it quiet shows his character.

If GOMTV had any balls, they would replay the entire series. Its one thing to lose a game. Its another to lose to an incredibly stupid strat that you did not even think was possible on the map you were playing. At the very least, the series should be replayed with Nestea down 0-2 to at least give him the chance to come back.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
July 13 2012 05:29 GMT
#526
<3 byun
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 05:39:26
July 13 2012 05:31 GMT
#527
Yeah, it sucks. Nestea is a champer. Basically, the game can't be replayed for two reasons in my mind:

1. Byun prepared that way, preparation is everything in GSL.
2. Nestea pulled his drones back before he killed one of the SCVs making one of the bunkers. I don't know if itwas a misclick or just he didn't acknowledge correctly which drones he was using to make those spine crawlers. I do know that is a blunder.

It's like a different yet similar situation of parting vs mkp in gstl finals. Although someone is clearly dealt with unfairly, no one was dealt a certain loss(parting could of won the game again, nestea could of won the series)

Although it sucks, it's better to just move on.
Edit: Those coming into the thread to harp on Byun's morals, remember the korean mentality of winning overrides the western honor. Gom certainly fucked up. But Byun is fine unless you start getting western on him and ignoring his culture. A Korean who went to MLG once said that it's interesting to see foreign fans because they care about what happens in the game, while koreans mainly focus on the winning part. Do not keep that idea out of consideration in your frivolous judgements of the situation.
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Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
July 13 2012 05:32 GMT
#528
It's NesTea's 'fault' for not noticing the neutral supply depot. Byun noticed it and NesTea didn't so Byun should win. It's a real fuck-up by GOMTV though.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 13 2012 05:34 GMT
#529
On July 13 2012 13:55 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Byun's a tool.. Great player but a snake. He certainly won't be getting any favours from IM players anytime soon. I am surprised he would exploit this bug so shortly after coming back from his match-fixing scandal.


That's what surprises me, too, although I'm not ready to call him a snake.


I imagine Korea would at least have a larger uproar over this than on the foreign side, which doesn't necessarily amount to much. Is there any word?

To me, that's relatively important simply because I thought Byun was going to be more careful about this sort of thing--or anything remotely similar--because of the Coca/Byun incident. In their "return" interviews, iirc, both stated feeling some pressure or lingering hate from Korean fans. Their behavior shouldn't be guided by hateful fans, but it demonstrates a general difference of expectations in Korea, as did the Naniwa probe rush.

No, I don't want the results changed, aside from wishful thinking that Nestea played better and won the series. I don't want any punishment from GOM for Byun, especially as GOM and the map maker share responsibility in all scenarios and in some, Byun has none. Maybe a private warning is all it merits. I'm just a bit suspicious that someone who wanted a free win in the past sidestepped the most honest path, seeking another free win. An easy justification would be, "it's their fault this time," especially when that's partially true.
Mallard86
Profile Joined May 2011
186 Posts
July 13 2012 05:47 GMT
#530

No, I don't want the results changed, aside from wishful thinking that Nestea played better and won the series. I don't want any punishment from GOM for Byun, especially as GOM and the map maker share responsibility in all scenarios and in some, Byun has none. Maybe a private warning is all it merits. I'm just a bit suspicious that someone who wanted a free win in the past sidestepped the most honest path, seeking another free win. An easy justification would be, "it's their fault this time," especially when that's partially true.


In all honesty, I completely discount the previous indiscretion. That was a somewhat innocent though boneheaded move. This move was premeditated. There is a huge difference.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
July 13 2012 05:49 GMT
#531
i wonder what the korean netizen response is
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ghindo
Profile Joined March 2012
United States58 Posts
July 13 2012 05:51 GMT
#532
On July 13 2012 14:49 opterown wrote:
i wonder what the korean netizen response is

If history is any indication, I'd guess "outraged."
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
July 13 2012 05:56 GMT
#533
On July 13 2012 14:49 opterown wrote:
i wonder what the korean netizen response is


Who cares? Reading korean netizen bullshit is borderline tabloid material.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
July 13 2012 05:59 GMT
#534
Atleast they didn't pause the game and accidentally bork the game and force a regame.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
July 13 2012 05:59 GMT
#535
On July 13 2012 14:56 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 14:49 opterown wrote:
i wonder what the korean netizen response is


Who cares? Reading korean netizen bullshit is borderline tabloid material.

it's more reflective of what will happen to byun if anything, and how he'll take this
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 13 2012 06:00 GMT
#536
gaaaaarg booga.....

ah well, as much of a fan I am of Nestea's, Byun just played astoundingly well, and to have a specific strategy forming around a bug in the map...this guy planned everything out to the last detail
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 13 2012 06:00 GMT
#537
On July 13 2012 14:24 -Switch- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 13:55 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Byun's a tool.. Great player but a snake. He certainly won't be getting any favours from IM players anytime soon. I am surprised he would exploit this bug so shortly after coming back from his match-fixing scandal.



THE AUDACITY

and dude...too far
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SeAK
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada69 Posts
July 13 2012 06:01 GMT
#538
Man if you guys want to talk about "Esports" being recognized you gotta realize what it takes to be a competitor at the elite level of anything... so if byun found this and nobody else caught on, good for him. Shows that he knows what it takes to win and will be cheering for him for now on.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
July 13 2012 06:02 GMT
#539
This is like reading fans of football giving excuses to why their team lost, be it the weather or the fact that the captain entered the field with the left foot, amusing really.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
July 13 2012 06:02 GMT
#540
Nestea's won his money, the Kespa players are coming, and Byun exploited bnet 0.2/bad game design needing band-aids to win. Players found bugs before in other games in BW and were lauded for it (EG effort sneaking lings in the back of destination).
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