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Thnikkaman47
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia5 Posts
June 09 2012 07:39 GMT
#1
Hi. I have been following strategies in using marines as a counter to all units but have hit a snag. Even though I'm using mass marines I can't seem to counter a massed infestor baneling ultra composition. Marines are clearly underpowered and I suggest a buff in their DPS. Discuss.

Ps I am a 800+ master league terran so have got gosu micro and macro.

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Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
June 09 2012 07:39 GMT
#2
Build more marines.
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
June 09 2012 07:41 GMT
#3
Oh sorry, could you post a replay that I can watch, and then I can tell you to build more marines.
LennoxPM
Profile Joined May 2012
Lithuania84 Posts
June 09 2012 07:44 GMT
#4
Im pretty sure you dont build enough marines. I heard pro players like MKP and MMA makes medivacs as well.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
June 09 2012 07:51 GMT
#5
Bad troll, bad.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
CaptainAmerica
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States89 Posts
June 09 2012 07:57 GMT
#6
Upgrades. Upgrades and APM.
Give Credit Where It's Due
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 09 2012 08:00 GMT
#7
This is called being countered.

You need the APM of a robot to make Mass Marine work in TvZ against Ultra/Bane/Infestor without Medivacs, Siege Tanks, or Marauders. Even then, Marines doing 2 damage to Ultralisks isn't very good for you.

Also read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554
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las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
June 09 2012 08:01 GMT
#8
On June 09 2012 17:00 Fencer710 wrote:
This is called being countered.

You need the APM of a robot to make Mass Marine work in TvZ against Ultra/Bane/Infestor without Medivacs, Siege Tanks, or Marauders. Even then, Marines doing 2 damage to Ultralisks isn't very good for you.

Also read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554


... successful troll was successful I guess.
In Inca we trust
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 09 2012 08:01 GMT
#9
On June 09 2012 17:01 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 17:00 Fencer710 wrote:
This is called being countered.

You need the APM of a robot to make Mass Marine work in TvZ against Ultra/Bane/Infestor without Medivacs, Siege Tanks, or Marauders. Even then, Marines doing 2 damage to Ultralisks isn't very good for you.

Also read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554


... successful troll was successful I guess.

Oops. :|
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
June 09 2012 08:02 GMT
#10
As others have said build more marines ! 2 marines have DOUBLE the dps of 1 !

Stay on your 6 harversters you start with and then max on marines.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
June 09 2012 08:05 GMT
#11
does anyone even complain about marines anymore except in bronze?
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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 09 2012 08:09 GMT
#12
Also you should consider building a very own bunker for each of your marines as that increases both their happiness and ability to live longer.

Personal Medivacs for each of your Marine or even harem Medivacs can also be considered, although due to this game having supply that will reduce the amount of Marines you can make.

And obviously kill off all but one of your SCV's at start of the game by making them attack eachother so that you can build more Marines.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 09 2012 08:10 GMT
#13
On June 09 2012 17:05 Belial88 wrote:
does anyone even complain about marines anymore except in bronze?

Yes. I've seen it on the battle.net forums, so many idiots there. :\
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12481 Posts
June 09 2012 08:17 GMT
#14
try to bring some scvs with you, it is super effective :D
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 08:31:32
June 09 2012 08:29 GMT
#15
On June 09 2012 17:10 Fencer710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 17:05 Belial88 wrote:
does anyone even complain about marines anymore except in bronze?

Yes. I've seen it on the battle.net forums, so many idiots there. :\


god that place is so horrible. I went to blizzcon's multiplayer forum for SC2 (there were maybe barely 20 people in there) where I guess you're supposed to give feedback on multiplayer and balance and all.

I'm pretty sure I was the highest ranked person in there, people were saying some really ridiculous stuff... some guy went on for like 10 minutes, and then said "and yea immortals being to be warped in?!" and everyone was just like seriously... we just listened to a guy bitch and he didn't even know immortals aren't warped in anymore.

I think I was just broken into masters at the time, but everyone was complaining about how this and that was OP, and how blizzard never listens to them. Then I slowly got the feeling that none of them had ever heard of teamliquid, and were referring to the battlenet forums.

So I raised my hand, interuppted, looked the blizzard guy in the face, with everyone quiet and said "please, I really hope you do not listen to a thing on the battle.net forums, because it's all terrible". They were about to kill me when I implied the game was balanced and that there problems were all really low level stuff that goes away soon lol.

Turns out the guy had no clue what sc2 was, he was just some intern who worked on WOW. I don't even know what the point of that forum was, I think just a bunch of people whine to some guy who they think is important.

Ps I am a 800+ master league terran so have got gosu micro and macro.


lol
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Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
June 09 2012 08:38 GMT
#16
Make sure your marines are USA marines, they are the most powerful type of marine and are very good at countering bin ladens.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Tryagain4free
Profile Joined March 2012
81 Posts
June 09 2012 08:42 GMT
#17
If normal marines don't work - build hero marines...
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 09 2012 08:47 GMT
#18
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2012 17:29 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 17:10 Fencer710 wrote:
On June 09 2012 17:05 Belial88 wrote:
does anyone even complain about marines anymore except in bronze?

Yes. I've seen it on the battle.net forums, so many idiots there. :\


god that place is so horrible. I went to blizzcon's multiplayer forum for SC2 (there were maybe barely 20 people in there) where I guess you're supposed to give feedback on multiplayer and balance and all.

I'm pretty sure I was the highest ranked person in there, people were saying some really ridiculous stuff... some guy went on for like 10 minutes, and then said "and yea immortals being to be warped in?!" and everyone was just like seriously... we just listened to a guy bitch and he didn't even know immortals aren't warped in anymore.

I think I was just broken into masters at the time, but everyone was complaining about how this and that was OP, and how blizzard never listens to them. Then I slowly got the feeling that none of them had ever heard of teamliquid, and were referring to the battlenet forums.

So I raised my hand, interuppted, looked the blizzard guy in the face, with everyone quiet and said "please, I really hope you do not listen to a thing on the battle.net forums, because it's all terrible". They were about to kill me when I implied the game was balanced and that there problems were all really low level stuff that goes away soon lol.

Turns out the guy had no clue what sc2 was, he was just some intern who worked on WOW. I don't even know what the point of that forum was, I think just a bunch of people whine to some guy who they think is important.

Show nested quote +
Ps I am a 800+ master league terran so have got gosu micro and macro.


lol

LOL.

Sorry that's just funny. xD
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HellionDrop
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
281 Posts
June 09 2012 08:53 GMT
#19
there is one thing i always wonder

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ultralisk

it says that ultras are strong against maraudars , but why you always build maraudars to fight ultras then???? change that field to marine please.
ZeroClick
Profile Joined March 2012
Brazil63 Posts
June 09 2012 08:54 GMT
#20
Are you sure that you researched Adrenal Glands for your marines? It work wonders on my zerglings...
Giantorange
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada24 Posts
June 09 2012 09:09 GMT
#21
Masters Terran here.

I had this problem for a little while until I realized that marines can be upgraded with stim packs and combat shield. Now I just roll everyone.
I like bowties. Bowties are cool
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
June 09 2012 09:24 GMT
#22
On June 09 2012 18:09 Giantorange wrote:
Masters Terran here.

I had this problem for a little while until I realized that marines can be upgraded with stim packs and combat shield. Now I just roll everyone.


Don't be silly, mining gas cuts into your marine production. Preferably you want 12+ rax on 1 base with 4 orbitals to maximize your mineral intake, then when you're ready to push take all your scvs with you.
Oh and don't worry, if the first attack doesn't work simply use your mules and make a new army!
If your attacks are somehow not working you should work on your micro, but if you are lazy like most terrans you can simply ascend to a higher plane of existence and follow up with two starport cloaked banshee, while landing your orbitals at all of your expansions!

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I'm a 850+ points master player on NA!
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 09 2012 09:31 GMT
#23
I'd recommend you start by walling yourself in with 3x 15cc, that way you can get 4x mules super fast, and you don't need to worry about your scvs taking up supply, as you can simply kill them off and let your imba mules do 100% of the mining, allowing you to constantly pump marines out of 40 rax, and max out with 200/200 marines only.
FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
June 09 2012 09:53 GMT
#24
On June 09 2012 17:17 ETisME wrote:
try to bring some scvs with you, it is super effective :D


This is actually the best advice here. Just got hit by this on the ladder
yummy tomatoes
ipwntbarney
Profile Joined September 2011
United States141 Posts
June 09 2012 09:58 GMT
#25
How has this thread not been closed yet? lmao
moofang
Profile Joined June 2011
508 Posts
June 09 2012 10:02 GMT
#26
On June 09 2012 18:53 FreshVegetables wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 17:17 ETisME wrote:
try to bring some scvs with you, it is super effective :D


This is actually the best advice here. Just got hit by this on the ladder


I know what you mean reading this thread is like like hahaha hahah hahaha oh damn... that kinda hurt
tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
June 09 2012 10:52 GMT
#27
Pro tip, cant FG marines in bunkers. more bunkers bro
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 09 2012 11:08 GMT
#28
Your macro/micro must not be up to par...marines win games son
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 09 2012 11:13 GMT
#29
Don't feed trolls.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
June 09 2012 11:18 GMT
#30
Mass marine strategies must be aggressive, and keep unit counts low. If your opponent can afford an Infestor/Baneling/Ultra composition, you've failed at mass marine.
My strategy is to fork people.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
June 09 2012 11:19 GMT
#31
If you can't kill your enemy with marines, then you probably don't have enough marines.
sup
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
June 09 2012 11:22 GMT
#32
On June 09 2012 16:39 Thnikkaman47 wrote:
Hi. I have been following strategies in using marines as a counter to all units but have hit a snag. Even though I'm using mass marines I can't seem to counter a massed infestor baneling ultra composition. Marines are clearly underpowered and I suggest a buff in their DPS. Discuss.

Ps I am a 800+ master league terran so have got gosu micro and macro.


you should be banned
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Tsavo
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark12 Posts
June 09 2012 11:34 GMT
#33
If at first you don't succeed, build more marines,
Jaedong <3
1A1A1A
Profile Joined June 2012
Belize20 Posts
June 09 2012 11:44 GMT
#34
Well op, if you can't become pro after massing marines, I hear Walmart is hiring.

Maybe then your sick gosu micro might be put to better use at stacking shelves.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 09 2012 11:44 GMT
#35

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oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
June 09 2012 11:49 GMT
#36
On June 09 2012 17:53 HellionDrop wrote:
there is one thing i always wonder

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ultralisk

it says that ultras are strong against maraudars , but why you always build maraudars to fight ultras then???? change that field to marine please.


Nah ultras melt to marines. They're basically for tanking tank volleys so your banes live long enough to get kited.

If you cannot win with marines you must be playing to many terrans. Who build more marines and a move better than you...
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
TokO
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway577 Posts
June 09 2012 11:53 GMT
#37
Hey, if you drop a mule, you can get out an extra 5 marines.

Just my 2 cents.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
June 09 2012 11:55 GMT
#38
On June 09 2012 18:31 HaXXspetten wrote:
I'd recommend you start by walling yourself in with 3x 15cc, that way you can get 4x mules super fast, and you don't need to worry about your scvs taking up supply, as you can simply kill them off and let your imba mules do 100% of the mining, allowing you to constantly pump marines out of 40 rax, and max out with 200/200 marines only.

I like this approach alot, however I like to continually build SCV's. Four CC's worth of worker production sets you up nicely to do several marine + scv all ins in every game. I think this is the best way to play.
"NO" -Has
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
June 09 2012 12:00 GMT
#39
maybe if blizzard made stim stack...
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
Tommyth
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland117 Posts
June 09 2012 12:09 GMT
#40
On June 09 2012 17:29 Belial88 wrote:

I'm pretty sure I was the highest ranked person in there, people were saying some really ridiculous stuff... some guy went on for like 10 minutes, and then said "and yea immortals being to be warped in?!" and everyone was just like seriously... we just listened to a guy bitch and he didn't even know immortals aren't warped in anymore.


Actually, every single protoss unit,including mothership, probes, carriers, immortals, or even buildings, are warped in. It is you who are wrong sir.
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
June 09 2012 12:09 GMT
#41
well the problem seems to be the fact that they managed to macro up to infestors. To prevent this, at the beginning of the game, salvage your command centre. This leaves you with 300 + 50 minerals. build a barracks immediately, and use the starting scvs to scout. Make one supply depot, because without cc, you will be supply blocked. This will leave you with enough minerals for two marines. You should be able to hit around the ~2 minute mark.
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
June 09 2012 12:12 GMT
#42
I dunno if I should reveal this yet as it might break the entire game, but some players have started splitting out their marines making them rofl&trolololstomp even AoE units. It's actually completely broken and can only be countered by your own lack of micro. :p
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Beren
Profile Joined June 2010
United States514 Posts
June 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#43
Diamond zerg (but would be masters terran if i played them) make sure when you engage them you hit T (it increases their movement speed and attack rate) and if it doesn't work make sure you actually researched stim and combat shield while you are at it. I was playing a bronze guy in customs a few days ago and I din't have any problems... you probably just aren't doing it right.
Beren
Profile Joined June 2010
United States514 Posts
June 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#44
On June 09 2012 18:58 ipwntbarney wrote:
How has this thread not been closed yet? lmao


haha what i was thinking at first, mods are probably all asleep or saying fuck it
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
June 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#45
I'm surprised a troll thread like this is still open in the strategy forum no less :/

If serious: Replays, timings, what's your opener, something, anything?
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
June 09 2012 12:46 GMT
#46
On June 09 2012 17:29 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 17:10 Fencer710 wrote:
On June 09 2012 17:05 Belial88 wrote:
does anyone even complain about marines anymore except in bronze?

Yes. I've seen it on the battle.net forums, so many idiots there. :\


god that place is so horrible. I went to blizzcon's multiplayer forum for SC2 (there were maybe barely 20 people in there) where I guess you're supposed to give feedback on multiplayer and balance and all.

I'm pretty sure I was the highest ranked person in there, people were saying some really ridiculous stuff... some guy went on for like 10 minutes, and then said "and yea immortals being to be warped in?!" and everyone was just like seriously... we just listened to a guy bitch and he didn't even know immortals aren't warped in anymore.

I think I was just broken into masters at the time, but everyone was complaining about how this and that was OP, and how blizzard never listens to them. Then I slowly got the feeling that none of them had ever heard of teamliquid, and were referring to the battlenet forums.

So I raised my hand, interuppted, looked the blizzard guy in the face, with everyone quiet and said "please, I really hope you do not listen to a thing on the battle.net forums, because it's all terrible". They were about to kill me when I implied the game was balanced and that there problems were all really low level stuff that goes away soon lol.

Turns out the guy had no clue what sc2 was, he was just some intern who worked on WOW. I don't even know what the point of that forum was, I think just a bunch of people whine to some guy who they think is important.

Show nested quote +
Ps I am a 800+ master league terran so have got gosu micro and macro.


lol


Although, there was a hack for a time that let you warp in immortals, so he wasn't actually 100% off.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
June 09 2012 12:52 GMT
#47
On June 09 2012 21:36 Beren wrote:
Diamond zerg (but would be masters terran if i played them) make sure when you engage them you hit T (it increases their movement speed and attack rate) and if it doesn't work make sure you actually researched stim and combat shield while you are at it. I was playing a bronze guy in customs a few days ago and I din't have any problems... you probably just aren't doing it right.


High diamond but should be masters, if I had a pound... And for the record terran/protoss isn't harder or easier you have be good to play them all they're just different.

I play zerg.
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
June 09 2012 13:04 GMT
#48
On June 09 2012 21:39 Serelitz wrote:
I'm surprised a troll thread like this is still open in the strategy forum no less :/

If serious: Replays, timings, what's your opener, something, anything?

a good chunk of liquid is at MLG and therefore asleep
aaaaa
Hiivankins
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland31 Posts
June 09 2012 13:05 GMT
#49
this thread is now about bananas. Discuss.
:|
ljd1131
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Australia83 Posts
June 09 2012 13:08 GMT
#50

Make dem Maraudeeerrss~
discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
June 09 2012 13:12 GMT
#51
holy bad troll batman.
;;
StiX
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands220 Posts
June 09 2012 13:15 GMT
#52
not even funny
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1A1A1A
Profile Joined June 2012
Belize20 Posts
June 09 2012 13:15 GMT
#53
On June 09 2012 22:08 ljd1131 wrote:

Make dem Maraudeeerrss~


Dear Sir, I'm sorry to inform you but they're infact called MA-ROW-DERS.

And to address your original point, you cannot make them by pressing the a key and thus they're useless.

Good day to you sir.
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
June 09 2012 13:24 GMT
#54
ALL I DO IS STIM STIM STIM
Stop procrastinating
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
June 09 2012 13:24 GMT
#55
5 posts and a shitty OP. Troll elsewhere son.
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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
June 09 2012 13:57 GMT
#56
The key is upgrades. as long as you have hit all your dual ebay timing your marines should kill anything ling bane infestor ultra because that's the key to the melee composition, take it away and you will win.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
DrLOAC
Profile Joined May 2011
United States53 Posts
June 09 2012 14:09 GMT
#57
What is this? I don't even.....
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