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The arguments on tl regarding this topic are insane.
I honestly can't see how one can argue that it's acceptable behavior. While I spit the word faggot and many other potentially 'racist offensive' words regularly, that is within a given context which I deem acceptable. And, as I understand, Destiny feels he is within right to call someone a gook, in that context, and the following consequences are a gross mistreatment.
What I don't understand, is how someone can reach this conclusion, based on the argument that words can be said, but have no meaning, or 'weight' to them, IN THE CONTEXT DESTINY IS IN. He has thousands of people watching. Chances are, a large proportion of those are Asian. The word 'gook' was said in a manner that would be no different to a white person calling a black person a nigger (offensively). It is beyond clear that destiny's intent was to offend his opponent, having been all inn-ed, and the word 'faggot' was(is?) no longer a sufficient insult to display his frustration. Impulsive, of course, which I understand very well as I share the same rage response as he does. In fact, I am much worse - I tell people to kill themselves, get cancer etc etc. I am that guy. However, I don't have 5000 people watching me, those of which who potentially have had an experience relating to my insult - whether it be a loved one with cancer, or an experience with suicide or suicidal tendencies, or an experience where you have been explicitly attacked for the sole reason of being a particular race.
The viewer count, is what makes desinty's actions completely unacceptable in my opinion at least. While I agree that the action itself is generally unacceptable anyway, destiny's repercussions given his context are deserved. Making the argument that people should just 'man-up' because 'they are just words' is a massive cop out, and is harmful to any community. Whether Destiny likes it or not, or wants to be or not, by having thousands of viewers and sponsors - those that provide his INCOME, he is RESPONSIBLE for his actions. As far as I can tell, he just sounds like a teenager, blaming the 'flaws and hypocrisies of society' for him not being able to control his temper.
Deep down, I'm sure he knows that given a second chance, he wouldn't call him a gook and would just stick to faggot. Because he isn't racist, but he is by all means arrogant and insensitive to those he may potentially offend, and that is more than enough reason to be dropped from a team and banned from TL for 30 days.
The guy really just needs to grow up, and stop playing the victim. If he had the insight he claims he does, he would understand that society is the way it is and some people - good people, would be genuinely offended by that racial slur - ALBEIT AN IRRATIONAL RESPONSE. It's kind of like blaming a kid with down-syndrome for not being able to solve a simple puzzle. Thatz just the way it is
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On May 05 2012 03:44 Fallians wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:36 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 03:32 Fallians wrote:
I honestly feel disgusted to be part of this community... This is the second time someone has had their career set back because of people who can't keep their own morals and personal opinions to themselves. If you hate that destiny uses racial slurs in anger,on ladder then dont watch him. But purposely trying to hurt someones career or reputation is absolutely horrid and anyone who sent a letter directly to the sponsors or condemned destiny should be ashamed of themselves. Just as I am ashamed to be a part of this community right now. Purposefully trying to hurt someone based on their racial background through your use of derogatory language is what I'm really ashamed of, the same with all you apologist fucks who seem to accept nigger and gook as language to be freely used whenever you want. YOU people are the disgusting ones, who have no fucking standards of decency. Are you serious? He wasn't purposely trying to hurt ANYONE when using racial slurs... He was expressing frustration at a ladder loss to something he considered cheesy and worthy of being flamed. Just because someone says ''nigger'' or ''faggot'' doesn't make them a racist or homophobic. And please don't attack me personally, it's immature and counter productive to a meaningful discussion TY ^^
Anyone who thinks an acceptable way to express frustration is to use racial slurs is an incredibly ignorant individual, and you're promoting that. Way to be hypocritical calling someone else immature for attacking you when you're supporting someone attacking others, and in a much more disgusting way.
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On May 05 2012 03:42 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:39 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 03:33 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Growing up gay in a conservative town has changed my perception of certain words. Specifically of course, the word fag/faggot and insults like "that's gay." At first it was hard to hear the words, because they were "bad" words--I mean, these words cause suicide, right? Truth is, if the words alone were enough to invoke the kind of depression necessary for such an act, I would not be typing right now. These words are the most common ones in the average high school student's language.
And you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. It's a matter of survival, truly, to understand that the words are powerless unless you give them power. Friends of mine offhandedly using "fag" and "that's gay" around me aren't homophobes. They aren't deserving of some kind of persecution and/or prosecution simply because they used a word. It's not until someone puts real hate, real venom, real power into those words that they evolve into something entirely different from just spoken language. People here seem to have some kind of disconnect on this topic, they think that guy A calling guy B a fag in casual conversation is the same as guy A calling guy B a fag while bashing his skull in. Obviously, the context and meaning behind the word changes that word completely. It isn't even the same thing at that point.
Stop trying to protect people from "bad" language. It doesn't make you moral, just, or right. People don't need to be protected by the morality of the masses. If you really want to stop racism or homophobia or whatever the case might be, then focus on stopping it. Trying to stop the use of "nigger" will not end racial inequalities. Trying to stop the use of "faggot" will not end gay teens' suicide. Many of you seem to be getting outraged over the word and not the big picture. Fuck the word; the word is nothing unless it has the larger issue fueling it by way of the individual's own prejudices and hate.
Destiny, if ever you read this, I urge you to continue doing what you do. Do not bend to the majority's whims simply because they are a majority. They are apologists who feel that only by ignoring the fact that words have greater context to dictate actual meaning can issues be resolved. They demonstrate the same kind of ignorance as those who use the words with true malice, albeit with a slightly better sales pitch so as to give their "cause" more fuel.
All this said, I am done with Team Liquid. I have always had a problem with the vigilante antics of this community, but attacking an individual player and his livelihood is 100% unacceptable to anyone who claims to be a just person; it is all too clear that Destiny is simply the first victim in what will undoubtedly be a very long battle for eSports' maturity. I wish him the utmost luck in his future endeavors. Yeah, because clearly since you don't care it's acceptable and shows how using racist and homophobic language only makes "it get better" (TM). Go tell that to the scores of teens that suicide each year from gay bullying. Tell them to toughen up, internet tough guy! You misread my post. Usage of "fag/faggot" in a bullying context has hate behind it, thus changing the word into something more than just a word. Maybe you missed the part where I am also gay and saying these things?
You're pulling the gay card? Really?
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Let's bring real life sports into the mix again. If Teebow whatever his name is, the jesus freak, went up to Emmit Smith and was like "You never were worth much of a N____r anyways" - how would the football community react?
I don't follow sports mind you, those are just names that came to mind, what do you think would happen? Cursing and being angry is one thing. Directing it at another competitor IN THE PUBLIC EYE, is down right wrong.
Look at some of the points Destiny made in his announcement as well, about speaking maturely in a mature rated game. Really? You guys are defending this child? Because you simulate warfare doesn't justify personal attacks, let alone racial hate towards one another. If he wants to get technical... these are GAMES, where the intention is to have fun with others. Not bash on them and expect to be rewarded for being a terrible human being. Just sayin'.  ay[9]* I am so sorry I said Just Sayin'...
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On May 05 2012 03:42 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:30 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote:On May 04 2012 21:48 Frunkis wrote:
People just love to get offended by things. It's like a hobby for some people. It's a shame that being offended is so rarely followed by exactly the response it deserves based on its importance, which is shutting the hell up and moving on. You don't have a right to not be offended. This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? You know that's exactly how being a player/entertainer/performer/celebrity works right? Your income is directly tied to how much people like you. Exactly! So if enough people stop liking him and stop watching his stream, then he won't have any income! But this situation is different. This is an example of how it doesn't, and shouldn't, work. What happened to Destiny was "I don't like that guy, so I'm going to whine and complain and bitch and moan until I can cut off a source of his income". This had nothing to do whatsoever with how many people like Destiny... this had to do with a vocal minority that dislikes him. A vocal minority should not be able to go around censoring the world.
And the problem with this is...what exactly? You just in one post, argued for freedom of speech then argued against it.
People should be allowed to say what they want, that goes both ways. The freedom to say what they want, in this case, ended up with Destiny losing money. What exactly is so wrong with this picture to you? You don't like people talking? You don't like them spreading the truth about someone?
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oh boohoo, dude calls someone a faggot and a gook and has to suffer the consequences any profesional would have to suffer in the real world. heres a hint: dude is not, and was never, a pro gamer. hes an entertainer. entertainers dont belong on progaming teams with corporate sponsors, they belong on youtube getting laughed at.
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On May 05 2012 03:42 Kickboxer wrote:
It's absolutely amazing how Destiny didn't offer the standard idiotic Woods / Spitzer / Gibson style "apology".
As someone who'll take integrity over political correctness any day I applaud this from the depths of my heart.
Dude, what's your measure of integrity? If Tiger or Spitzer hadn't apologized, would you respect them? How exactly are you relating them to Destiny?
The bottom-line is that a jerk who doesn't apologize is still a jerk, and one who will likely never change.
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On May 05 2012 03:38 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:32 Fallians wrote:
I honestly feel disgusted to be part of this community... This is the second time someone has had their career set back because of people who can't keep their own morals and personal opinions to themselves. If you hate that destiny uses racial slurs in anger,on ladder then dont watch him. But purposely trying to hurt someones career or reputation is absolutely horrid and anyone who sent a letter directly to the sponsors or condemned destiny should be ashamed of themselves. Just as I am ashamed to be a part of this community right now. You contradict yourself. People not watching = Career is hurt No one watches = Career is lost This is how a free market works. You have to accept that people can associate with whomever they want, that includes TeamLiquid, Quantic, Razer, etc. In this case they choose not to associate with Destiny. I can't believe I have to explain this so many times.
No... Quantic and Razer DID choose to associate with Destiny. Destiny is a popular player and has one of the most entertaining and successful game-related streams in the world.
They felt forced into withdrawing their association because of thin-skinned forum members who are too stupid to understand the concept of "if you don't like something, don't watch it" and instead felt the need to whine and complain until they see something bad happen to the person they dislike.
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On May 05 2012 03:42 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:39 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 03:33 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Growing up gay in a conservative town has changed my perception of certain words. Specifically of course, the word fag/faggot and insults like "that's gay." At first it was hard to hear the words, because they were "bad" words--I mean, these words cause suicide, right? Truth is, if the words alone were enough to invoke the kind of depression necessary for such an act, I would not be typing right now. These words are the most common ones in the average high school student's language.
And you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. It's a matter of survival, truly, to understand that the words are powerless unless you give them power. Friends of mine offhandedly using "fag" and "that's gay" around me aren't homophobes. They aren't deserving of some kind of persecution and/or prosecution simply because they used a word. It's not until someone puts real hate, real venom, real power into those words that they evolve into something entirely different from just spoken language. People here seem to have some kind of disconnect on this topic, they think that guy A calling guy B a fag in casual conversation is the same as guy A calling guy B a fag while bashing his skull in. Obviously, the context and meaning behind the word changes that word completely. It isn't even the same thing at that point.
Stop trying to protect people from "bad" language. It doesn't make you moral, just, or right. People don't need to be protected by the morality of the masses. If you really want to stop racism or homophobia or whatever the case might be, then focus on stopping it. Trying to stop the use of "nigger" will not end racial inequalities. Trying to stop the use of "faggot" will not end gay teens' suicide. Many of you seem to be getting outraged over the word and not the big picture. Fuck the word; the word is nothing unless it has the larger issue fueling it by way of the individual's own prejudices and hate.
Destiny, if ever you read this, I urge you to continue doing what you do. Do not bend to the majority's whims simply because they are a majority. They are apologists who feel that only by ignoring the fact that words have greater context to dictate actual meaning can issues be resolved. They demonstrate the same kind of ignorance as those who use the words with true malice, albeit with a slightly better sales pitch so as to give their "cause" more fuel.
All this said, I am done with Team Liquid. I have always had a problem with the vigilante antics of this community, but attacking an individual player and his livelihood is 100% unacceptable to anyone who claims to be a just person; it is all too clear that Destiny is simply the first victim in what will undoubtedly be a very long battle for eSports' maturity. I wish him the utmost luck in his future endeavors. Yeah, because clearly since you don't care it's acceptable and shows how using racist and homophobic language only makes "it get better" (TM). Go tell that to the scores of teens that suicide each year from gay bullying. Tell them to toughen up, internet tough guy! You misread my post. Usage of "fag/faggot" in a bullying context has hate behind it, thus changing the word into something more than just a word. Maybe you missed the part where I am also gay and saying these things?
Do I need to remind you that you can be gay and hate yourself for it?
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On May 05 2012 03:47 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:42 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 03:33 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Growing up gay in a conservative town has changed my perception of certain words. Specifically of course, the word fag/faggot and insults like "that's gay." At first it was hard to hear the words, because they were "bad" words--I mean, these words cause suicide, right? Truth is, if the words alone were enough to invoke the kind of depression necessary for such an act, I would not be typing right now. These words are the most common ones in the average high school student's language.
And you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. It's a matter of survival, truly, to understand that the words are powerless unless you give them power. Friends of mine offhandedly using "fag" and "that's gay" around me aren't homophobes. They aren't deserving of some kind of persecution and/or prosecution simply because they used a word. It's not until someone puts real hate, real venom, real power into those words that they evolve into something entirely different from just spoken language. People here seem to have some kind of disconnect on this topic, they think that guy A calling guy B a fag in casual conversation is the same as guy A calling guy B a fag while bashing his skull in. Obviously, the context and meaning behind the word changes that word completely. It isn't even the same thing at that point.
Stop trying to protect people from "bad" language. It doesn't make you moral, just, or right. People don't need to be protected by the morality of the masses. If you really want to stop racism or homophobia or whatever the case might be, then focus on stopping it. Trying to stop the use of "nigger" will not end racial inequalities. Trying to stop the use of "faggot" will not end gay teens' suicide. Many of you seem to be getting outraged over the word and not the big picture. Fuck the word; the word is nothing unless it has the larger issue fueling it by way of the individual's own prejudices and hate.
Destiny, if ever you read this, I urge you to continue doing what you do. Do not bend to the majority's whims simply because they are a majority. They are apologists who feel that only by ignoring the fact that words have greater context to dictate actual meaning can issues be resolved. They demonstrate the same kind of ignorance as those who use the words with true malice, albeit with a slightly better sales pitch so as to give their "cause" more fuel.
All this said, I am done with Team Liquid. I have always had a problem with the vigilante antics of this community, but attacking an individual player and his livelihood is 100% unacceptable to anyone who claims to be a just person; it is all too clear that Destiny is simply the first victim in what will undoubtedly be a very long battle for eSports' maturity. I wish him the utmost luck in his future endeavors. Yeah, because clearly since you don't care it's acceptable and shows how using racist and homophobic language only makes "it get better" (TM). Go tell that to the scores of teens that suicide each year from gay bullying. Tell them to toughen up, internet tough guy! You misread my post. Usage of "fag/faggot" in a bullying context has hate behind it, thus changing the word into something more than just a word. Maybe you missed the part where I am also gay and saying these things? You're pulling the gay card? Really?
Um.. No, I am not pulling any card. I was merely suggesting that perhaps you misread my initial post, wherein I make it abundantly clear that I am a gay individual. My apologies for refrencing my sexuality on the Internet.
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On May 05 2012 03:42 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:30 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote:On May 04 2012 21:48 Frunkis wrote:
People just love to get offended by things. It's like a hobby for some people. It's a shame that being offended is so rarely followed by exactly the response it deserves based on its importance, which is shutting the hell up and moving on. You don't have a right to not be offended. This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? You know that's exactly how being a player/entertainer/performer/celebrity works right? Your income is directly tied to how much people like you. Exactly! So if enough people stop liking him and stop watching his stream, then he won't have any income! But this situation is different. This is an example of how it doesn't, and shouldn't, work. What happened to Destiny was "I don't like that guy, so I'm going to whine and complain and bitch and moan until I can cut off a source of his income". This had nothing to do whatsoever with how many people like Destiny... this had to do with a vocal minority that dislikes him. A vocal minority should not be able to go around censoring the world.
No. Telling a company "I'm not going to buy your products because you support someone I find morally reprehensible" is EXACTLY how the free market (specifically sponsorship and advertising) works.
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On May 05 2012 03:49 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:42 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:On May 05 2012 03:39 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 03:33 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Growing up gay in a conservative town has changed my perception of certain words. Specifically of course, the word fag/faggot and insults like "that's gay." At first it was hard to hear the words, because they were "bad" words--I mean, these words cause suicide, right? Truth is, if the words alone were enough to invoke the kind of depression necessary for such an act, I would not be typing right now. These words are the most common ones in the average high school student's language.
And you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. It's a matter of survival, truly, to understand that the words are powerless unless you give them power. Friends of mine offhandedly using "fag" and "that's gay" around me aren't homophobes. They aren't deserving of some kind of persecution and/or prosecution simply because they used a word. It's not until someone puts real hate, real venom, real power into those words that they evolve into something entirely different from just spoken language. People here seem to have some kind of disconnect on this topic, they think that guy A calling guy B a fag in casual conversation is the same as guy A calling guy B a fag while bashing his skull in. Obviously, the context and meaning behind the word changes that word completely. It isn't even the same thing at that point.
Stop trying to protect people from "bad" language. It doesn't make you moral, just, or right. People don't need to be protected by the morality of the masses. If you really want to stop racism or homophobia or whatever the case might be, then focus on stopping it. Trying to stop the use of "nigger" will not end racial inequalities. Trying to stop the use of "faggot" will not end gay teens' suicide. Many of you seem to be getting outraged over the word and not the big picture. Fuck the word; the word is nothing unless it has the larger issue fueling it by way of the individual's own prejudices and hate.
Destiny, if ever you read this, I urge you to continue doing what you do. Do not bend to the majority's whims simply because they are a majority. They are apologists who feel that only by ignoring the fact that words have greater context to dictate actual meaning can issues be resolved. They demonstrate the same kind of ignorance as those who use the words with true malice, albeit with a slightly better sales pitch so as to give their "cause" more fuel.
All this said, I am done with Team Liquid. I have always had a problem with the vigilante antics of this community, but attacking an individual player and his livelihood is 100% unacceptable to anyone who claims to be a just person; it is all too clear that Destiny is simply the first victim in what will undoubtedly be a very long battle for eSports' maturity. I wish him the utmost luck in his future endeavors. Yeah, because clearly since you don't care it's acceptable and shows how using racist and homophobic language only makes "it get better" (TM). Go tell that to the scores of teens that suicide each year from gay bullying. Tell them to toughen up, internet tough guy! You misread my post. Usage of "fag/faggot" in a bullying context has hate behind it, thus changing the word into something more than just a word. Maybe you missed the part where I am also gay and saying these things? Do I need to remind you that you can be gay and hate yourself for it?
I sure won't need to remind him that you can also be gay and be homophobic.
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On May 05 2012 03:47 Fallians wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:38 Roe wrote:On May 05 2012 03:32 Fallians wrote:
I honestly feel disgusted to be part of this community... This is the second time someone has had their career set back because of people who can't keep their own morals and personal opinions to themselves. If you hate that destiny uses racial slurs in anger,on ladder then dont watch him. But purposely trying to hurt someones career or reputation is absolutely horrid and anyone who sent a letter directly to the sponsors or condemned destiny should be ashamed of themselves. Just as I am ashamed to be a part of this community right now. You contradict yourself. People not watching = Career is hurt No one watches = Career is lost This is how a free market works. You have to accept that people can associate with whomever they want, that includes TeamLiquid, Quantic, Razer, etc. In this case they choose not to associate with Destiny. I can't believe I have to explain this so many times. By purposely trying to hurt someones career I mean even after you stop watching him, you continue to be a part of the situation by causing trouble (emailing sponsors, making threads ...) when instead you can say ''I dont like what he does I'm going to distance myself from the situation''
The thing is, by just looking the other way, you're essentially allowing racial abuse to be freely used by a professional.
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On May 05 2012 03:48 Smackzilla wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:42 Kickboxer wrote:
It's absolutely amazing how Destiny didn't offer the standard idiotic Woods / Spitzer / Gibson style "apology".
As someone who'll take integrity over political correctness any day I applaud this from the depths of my heart. Dude, what's your measure of integrity? If Tiger or Spitzer hadn't apologized, would you respect them? How exactly are you relating them to Destiny? The bottom-line is that a jerk who doesn't apologize is still a jerk, and one who will likely never change.
He's saying Tiger/Spitzer's apologies were fake, crafted in such a way that they aren't apologizing for their actions and they certainly don't actually believe what they are saying. It's "I'm sorry you were offended" not "I'm sorry for what I did." It's disingenuous and fake.
Destiny just plain didn't apologize. He was more authentic than Woods/Spitzer.
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truly this community is slowly destroying e-sports, certainly not the entire thing though. some of us retain logic and don't frivilously try to destroy other people for the trolly laughs that some people seem to need in order to find purpose in their lives. anyone who can make a statement like "players need to be policed" needs to stop attempting to be part of this community, imo. If player's need to be policed, as does every single person that interacts in any sort of international way online, which includes this site, gomtv.net, reddit, etc etc etc. because you're representing your country whether you know it or not, the statements you make help form people's opinions of you and your countrymen. the fact that so many americans are on this site and go about emailing sponsers any time they get offended is so incredibly saddening, for the fact that adults, or most of them are adults, will never and have never matured beyond the mental age of 10. grow up, believe in the 1st amendment, its the only reason people can't kill you for what you say. (althought i'm sure some people deserve it far more than others <3) Allow freedom of speech to everyone, especially in an intellectual community such as this, it's a simple standard to keep.
edit: also, to anyone who says, in far more characters, that "words hurt" grow. the. fuck. up. do you seriously go about your life being offended and pissed off all day long? because you must if you think its inappopriate for destiny to say what he wants to the people that want to watch him, if you don't like it, don't fucking watch. but instead it seems people are more content trying to destroy teams/players than do what makes sense.
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"But Destiny is entitled to his free speech!!!"
And everyone else is entitled to theirs as well, and they chose to use it by voicing their dispelasure at the shit coming out of dudes mouth.
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If you use a racial slur, and people get angry, you are not an innocent victim. It's pretty easy to not get people up in arms, all you have to do is not insult/degrade entire swathes of people you don't know in a public setting (i.e. ladder match). Seriously, no one has been taken to task by the community for having an opinion. Destiny earned a reaction, you may disagree with it, but it's not a random unprovoked response.
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Utterly irrelevant semi-pro acts like a child on his stream and leaves his team because some people got annoyed and wrote to the sponsors.
Wow, big news. Totally changes eSports forever.
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Anyway we can get him relisted?
I think I speak for alot of visitors when I say I look to the place for news and stream links first. Forums and the drama they manufacture are a distant second. Not telling you guys how to run your show, but keeping certain facets of the site seperate and independant of each other would be great. If its popular and related to things that people associate with TL.net I don't see why it shouldn't be listed. Especially when they all come with content warnings.
Can't say I respect anything Destiny says or does, but I do find the show he runs on stream to be amusing. And yes.. him getting beat and the raging that he does plays a part in it.
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On May 05 2012 03:48 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:38 Roe wrote:On May 05 2012 03:32 Fallians wrote:
I honestly feel disgusted to be part of this community... This is the second time someone has had their career set back because of people who can't keep their own morals and personal opinions to themselves. If you hate that destiny uses racial slurs in anger,on ladder then dont watch him. But purposely trying to hurt someones career or reputation is absolutely horrid and anyone who sent a letter directly to the sponsors or condemned destiny should be ashamed of themselves. Just as I am ashamed to be a part of this community right now. You contradict yourself. People not watching = Career is hurt No one watches = Career is lost This is how a free market works. You have to accept that people can associate with whomever they want, that includes TeamLiquid, Quantic, Razer, etc. In this case they choose not to associate with Destiny. I can't believe I have to explain this so many times. No... Quantic and Razer DID choose to associate with Destiny. Destiny is a popular player and has one of the most entertaining and successful game-related streams in the world. They felt forced into withdrawing their association because of thin-skinned forum members who are too stupid to understand the concept of "if you don't like something, don't watch it" and instead felt the need to whine and complain until they see something bad happen to the person they dislike.
Yeah potential customers of a company who makes products for games that they play and sponsors players who play that game shouldn't complain about hateful language being used that makes the community look bad to anyone outside of that community.
Keep ranting about your ridiculous idea of people being able to say what they want without consequences.
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