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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:18 ilimor wrote: I feel a bit disgusted that our community make something like this to a player just cause of some word said in anger... As if that's a justification. The vast majority of racist statements are made out of anger, that makes absolutely no difference. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
On May 05 2012 02:56 Crushinator wrote: The emotion is irrelevant. When you use a racial slur as an insult you imply that a certain race is in some way inferior. You want to hurt someone and you choose do this through racism. That is not cool, ever. It doesn't even matter if you 'truly' are a racist or not. If you want to be a child and hurl insults at someone, fine. Wish him a fiery death, inform him that you have had sexual relations with his relatives. It feels good sometimes, I'm not going to judge you for indulging yourself. But race is not fair game, ever. Do you honestly think every time someone uses a racial slur this is racially motivated? This would be the case of all humans where completely rational and so where their actions, however, because we're dealing with humans this is impossible as for nearly all humans emotion and learned behavior will practically always overrule. The emotion the most important thing that matters, why do you think we treat people differently when they're emotionally disturbed during the committing of a crime? Would you prefer everyone who takes a life be treated equally? As according to you whether somebody believes their life is being threatened is not relevant to their crime. Humans run on auto pilot when emotions are involved, and more specifically our speech patterns are dictated by our past, if your parents kept screaming racial slurs, the chances you'll use these terms on a emotionally disturbed time are incredibly high as during these moments the systems that normally filter your behavior for social acceptability simply fall apart as this is the most effective way of actually staying alive. And sadly enough the mind has issues distinguishing physical and mental attacks, as for the persona, these amount to the same. Personally I don't use racial slurs, yet I've heard them countless of times from family, a couple years back due to a malfunctioning bike I nearly broke my neck, a group of youths from a another ethnic group started laughing at me while I was still dealing with the shock of nearly dying, my response to be precise was "Gore kanker marrokanen" which in Dutch is a bit less charged then a word with more history like "Nigger" , but if it wasn't for my somewhat impressive stature I probably would have directly faced the consequences of my actions, despite not being racist or finding these terms acceptable. For people with strong emotions and a dented self image, especially if they tie their self image to their skill at a game and broadcast this live, the emotions evoked by a bad loss are incredible, remember, this is what Destiny does for a freaking living, people making him look bad are for his mind a direct attack on his career and self image. Destiny has rage issues, he would be the first to admit this, if you really want to help him, write out a well thought out email to the guy with suggestions how he could help this problem that he probably suffers most from, these bullshit tactics employed now will just push him defensively into a corner, further solidifying his idea that this is part of his personality and defendable on the grounds of free speech. And worst of all this sponsor harassing is hurting this community and E-sports in general. | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
And it's a shame, because it's so easy to just not say those words. There's about 100,000 perfectly good words in the English language that we could just use instead and never have to deal with this sort of drama. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:21 LgN.EijZrA wrote: Have to go what? It's who he is, he isn't "Going" anywhere...that's the point. Stop crying already. Even if you hate him complain to Quantic not the sponsors. Funny that you have no point to make, then make an ad hominem attack as if I've cared that much about Destiny before. I've made two or three posts saying I completely disagree with Destiny and his use of language, but I've never written to anyone complaining about players. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 04 2012 21:48 Frunkis wrote: People just love to get offended by things. It's like a hobby for some people. It's a shame that being offended is so rarely followed by exactly the response it deserves based on its importance, which is shutting the hell up and moving on. You don't have a right to not be offended. This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:20 bonifaceviii wrote: Then Destiny shouldn't care, since he doesn't make a living playing videogames for a public audience... Then you shouldn't ever be allowed to swear because when you walk outside you are in public... If you can't tell the difference between being a radio host and a video game player, and how you should choose your words as one vs the other than I don't know what can be done to help you. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Destiny will still have his fan and his income from streaming. Quantic has an open slot for a player that really can play at high level. | ||
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:21 adrenaLinG wrote: Does it help that the person who destiny called gook is also a Korean? wait a second... I had to grab the screenshot. You're right... wow. Makes me feel differently about the situation. I was already not too happy about him using racial slurs, but I generally ignored it. So for everyone else in this thread, are you mad that people went to the sponsors or are you mad that Destiny and Quantic could no longer be together? Because he never apologized for this. He kept defending his actions and I dont see how it is acceptable to call someone you dont know a racial slur and do it in an aggressive tone. I dont know how anyone can defend that. It seems like people dont realize the situation. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y8F8n.jpg) | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote: This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? You're right. We shouldnt do anything about NK, after all we don't have to watch these reports right ? And this is their rights to do w/e they want on the soil right ? I can't believe one can be this misinformed. Fucking disgusting society that want to get better. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote: This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? You know that's exactly how being a player/entertainer/performer/celebrity works right? Your income is directly tied to how much people like you. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:29 LittleAtari wrote: wait a second... I had to grab the screenshot. You're right... wow. Makes me feel differently about the situation. I was already not too happy about him using racial slurs, but I generally ignored it. So for everyone else in this thread, are you mad that people went to the sponsors or are you mad that Destiny and Quantic could no longer be together? Because he never apologized for this. He kept defending his actions and I dont see how it is acceptable to call someone you dont know a racial slur and do it in an aggressive tone. I dont know how anyone can defend that. It seems like people dont realize the situation. + Show Spoiler + he also made the statement after the individual typed to him in korean (the korean gg). | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote: This is so true, and it's a disgusting part of what society has become. "I'm so offended! I should get to control the actions of everyone I encounter and get them to obey my rules!" It is so incredibly stupid that these professional offense-takers go around trying to censor the world, instead of just NOT WATCHING the stuff that they don't like. And it's just plain sad that these whiners are getting their way. Razer and Quantic are allowing forum trolls to make decisions for them. Destiny is free to be an offensive and unpleasant person, and everyone else is free to dislike him. But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? Since we have freedom of expression and freedom of association. Quantic has the freedom to associate with anyone they want. They chose not to associate with Destiny. We have freedom to say who we like and who we dont like. We dont like Destiny. He goes out of style. Razer and Quantic are corporations that need to listen to their customers. It's sort of how things work in a free society. Where is anyone saying it should be illegal/criminal for destiny to stream? The argument against him is that he shouldn't be watched or associated with, and that he shouldn't be getting money for what he does. This is a free market after all. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:26 Chocobo wrote: But since when do we all get to go around trying to control everybody else, and affect people financially, based on whether we like or dislike them? since dueling became "unethical" i'd guess | ||
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Fallians
Canada242 Posts
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DxT.SuSaNoO
United States23 Posts
And you know what? I don't give a fuck anymore. It's a matter of survival, truly, to understand that the words are powerless unless you give them power. Friends of mine offhandedly using "fag" and "that's gay" around me aren't homophobes. They aren't deserving of some kind of persecution and/or prosecution simply because they used a word. It's not until someone puts real hate, real venom, real power into those words that they evolve into something entirely different from just spoken language. People here seem to have some kind of disconnect on this topic, they think that guy A calling guy B a fag in casual conversation is the same as guy A calling guy B a fag while bashing his skull in. Obviously, the context and meaning behind the word changes that word completely. It isn't even the same thing at that point. Stop trying to protect people from "bad" language. It doesn't make you moral, just, or right. People don't need to be protected by the morality of the masses. If you really want to stop racism or homophobia or whatever the case might be, then focus on stopping it. Trying to stop the use of "nigger" will not end racial inequalities. Trying to stop the use of "faggot" will not end gay teens' suicide. Many of you seem to be getting outraged over the word and not the big picture. Fuck the word; the word is nothing unless it has the larger issue fueling it by way of the individual's own prejudices and hate. Destiny, if ever you read this, I urge you to continue doing what you do. Do not bend to the majority's whims simply because they are a majority. They are apologists who feel that only by ignoring the fact that words have greater context to dictate actual meaning can issues be resolved. They demonstrate the same kind of ignorance as those who use the words with true malice, albeit with a slightly better sales pitch so as to give their "cause" more fuel. All this said, I am done with Team Liquid. I have always had a problem with the vigilante antics of this community, but attacking an individual player and his livelihood is 100% unacceptable to anyone who claims to be a just person; it is all too clear that Destiny is simply the first victim in what will undoubtedly be a very long battle for eSports' maturity. I wish him the utmost luck in his future endeavors. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
That sounds super duper awesome. | ||
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