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On May 05 2012 03:03 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:00 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:56 Crushinator wrote:On May 05 2012 02:45 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty. "you're stupid" is morally equivalent to "you're a fucking nigger" or some other slur? that's an untenable position to take but to each his own In the context of "I just lost a game therefore I'm going to insult this guy cause he made me lose," yes, the emotion behind the insult is identical. People just have favourite insults. The emotion is irrelevant. When you use a racial slur as an insult you imply that a certain race is in some way inferior. You want to hurt someone and you choose do this through racism. That is not cool, ever. It doesn't even matter if you 'truly' are a racist or not. If you want to be a child and hurl insults at someone, fine. Wish him a fiery death, inform him that you have had sexual relations with his relatives. It feels good sometimes, I'm not going to judge you for indulging yourself. But race is not fair game, ever. Wishing someone death and sexually degrading all of his relatives, both of which are rather personal insults, is better than simply calling someone a "nigger" offhandedly? Yes, you got it. It isn't hard.
This is very sad and arbitrary. It leads me to believe that you don't actually care about demeaning definitely defined (i.e. clearly referenced) people, but only demeaning certain broad groups of people.
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On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:35 Leth0 wrote:
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Speak for yourself. It's about respect, decency , and little common sense. If you see nothing 'offensive' about the way destiny acts then you are blind. He says the shit he does PURELY to offend somebody (because he lost a game of starcraft) as if that merit's his behavior. That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me.
And you cannot construct a defense of Destiny's behavior other than by the non-sequitir defense of "he's not racist." He's willing to use the bigoted connotations of certain insults. And you're willing to use sophistry to defend it.
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On May 05 2012 03:05 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:
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Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make.
And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour. It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all.
It's good to know you live out that dictum for politeness that you wish to enforce on others.
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On May 05 2012 03:05 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
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That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. And you cannot construct a defense of Destiny's behavior other than by the non-sequitir defense of "he's not racist." He's willing to use the bigoted connotations of certain insults. And you're willing to use sophistry to defend it.
I don't think it's terribly sophistic to say Destiny isn't a racist ergo the people angry with him aren't really reacting to anything tangible.
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I guess the next person to get lynched will be the next idiot who continually drops racist and offensive comments on his stream whilst being sponsored by respectable companies and widely viewed by the community. When you represent a company and are being funded by both the company and the community you have the responsibility to either be a professional or deal with the consequences of your actions. Whether you're safe behind a computer screen in a dark room or speaking from a podium, that is how life works.
I for one would like to see Esports continue to grow. I appreciate amazing players and community figures who contribute positively to the game. Destiny is none of these things, so admittedly I take some satisfaction in this news because I would wish the same on anyone who consistently spouts racial gibberish and is a general fucktard while profiting from the game. What you do comes back to you and I feel no remorse whatsoever.
Oh, for the record - I never go on reddit so I have no comment on that side of things.
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On May 05 2012 03:06 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:05 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:
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Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality.
Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour. It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all. It's good to know you live out that dictum for politeness that you wish to enforce on others.
I live in the real world, where people (the people who want to get anywhere in life) treat each other with dignity and respect.
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On May 05 2012 03:06 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:05 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:
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Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality.
Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour. It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all. It's good to know you live out that dictum for politeness that you wish to enforce on others.
It seems you took offense to what he said. Funny how that works.
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Bound to happen. Welcome to the real world kids. As the sport grew it was bound to reach a point were saying these things would not fly. Period. Full stop. Doesnt matter context or free speech or some philosophical point of view bullshit. Sponsor dont care. They will not be associated with this stuff. ITs not worth it. AS the sport grows even more guess whst its goona become even more pronounced. Look over at korea were teams are sponsored by nokia samsung fila pepsi. You think any of those corporations will have their brand name attached to some one who says oh idk fucking retard? That gets into the press? NOPE and thats the way the world works. Right or wrong its the way it is. If you want people to be able to saynigger/fagot.retard/spick/gook ect in public then you want the sport to stay a tiny insular community. If its going to grow any more this shit has to stop.
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On May 05 2012 03:06 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:05 DeepElemBlues wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:
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You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks.
If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple.
Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. And you cannot construct a defense of Destiny's behavior other than by the non-sequitir defense of "he's not racist." He's willing to use the bigoted connotations of certain insults. And you're willing to use sophistry to defend it. I don't think it's terribly sophistic to say Destiny isn't a racist ergo the people angry with him aren't really reacting to anything tangible.
The people who are angry do not want racist slurs to be used as generic insults by someone who is a key figure in this community. Is that really hard to understand?
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On May 04 2012 23:31 sad.wish wrote:I mailed the sponsors!  From 8 Different emails, with 8 different well written essay's..... It worked, we got what we wanted, and it only helped eSports, not hurt it
Get a life and get a job..
The day when eSports has no racism!
now if we could only solve the racism within the real world, you know? Where people are killed, raped, abused, imprisioned, fired etc.. etc..
I don't know if you guys noticed but this only happens in the USA, where a young black man was killed for being "gangsta" black and the guy got away for free...
we don't have those rules here you know, actually firing on people is not accepted!
USA people think racism is there thing and slavery is also a burden on american history! Open your eyes, slavery has happen since man first built something and you guys don't even have 300 years.. so yeah it's a burden on all majoritys not to enslave the minoritys..
Right now it's a bunch of stupid kids and some biggots destroying careers of some guys that speak bullshit, they are not racists, they said racists comments to online guys when they lost in a internet game!
I don't care about destiny or orb but come on? what's next idra? what if day9 makes a mistake and says it to? what about stephano? or whitera? Will the minority community allow anyone to speak anything?
this is retarded and it will eventually blow up in someones face..
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Are you defending blacks from tyranny of the majority (white straight males like Destiny) or Destiny from the haters?
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On May 05 2012 02:55 StarStrider wrote:
All aboard the lynching train. First stop Katu, followed by Orb, then Destiny, who will be next?
We just have to follow the crowd vehement about keeping racial slurs part of e-sports, and see who they flock to while Destiny's stream is "blocked". So not any player or caster with a brain.
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Nice. I'm glad the "entertaining immature gameplay" (hobby) side is now separated from the "entertaining professional gameplay" (eSports) side. Now when new people come into the SC2 scene/community and see the shocking rage/hate speech we can tell them it is not related to eSports and it's just a bunch of kids who happen to play SC2.
Having Destiny as part of Quantic really blurred the line there.
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On May 05 2012 03:08 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:06 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:05 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:
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Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour. It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all. It's good to know you live out that dictum for politeness that you wish to enforce on others. I live in the real world, where people (the people who want to get anywhere in life) treat each other with dignity and respect.
Then why do you speak condescendingly to me? I have not been rude to you, as far as I can tell. Nor have I been rude to anyone else in this thread. The real world I live is one in which the people who wish to get anywhere need to be respectful of those who disagree with them.
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Wow. I thought Quantic knew what they were getting into when they signed Destiny into their team.
Well, live and learn. 
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On May 04 2012 23:47 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:39 GizmoPT wrote:On May 04 2012 23:37 revel8 wrote:On May 04 2012 23:31 KadaverBB wrote:On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:23 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:07 Pwnographics wrote:
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So instead of using 'gook', Destiny used 'dumassfuck retard'. You'd be satisfied?
No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability. Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man! No because I enjoy it, like many others. If people don't like watching streams with profanity you don't have to. Yeah that's why i don't! I watch stephano stream. Funny how stephano doesn't need profanity to draw in a ton of viewers. He can get viewers by being funny and with good skills and commentary. A real professional progamer. Destiny needs to learn a few things from stephano about managing the public. Really? yesterday stephano called hasuobs a nazi and asked him how many jews he killed last night. Why aren't there threads up already? That was totally racist and shit. Just for the record, i thought it was fucking funny and i am german. Hasu and Stephano are friends. They know each other professionally and socially. They engaged in banter based on their personal relationship. Stephano called Hasu a Nazi and asked how many Jews he had killed. Hasu made a response implying Stephano was an Arab terrorist. Both players were fine with this level of banter. They happily engaged in friendly chat after the match. Don't pretend that these situations are comparable. I thought it was obvious that people address people they are friends with differently to random strangers. Hasu or Stephano have not complained about the content of this chat. If they are comfortable with it, then there is no need for controversy. lol ? even if they are friends couldnt a jew be offended ? or a arab ? thats not excuse.. anyway all this offended crap is stupid f the esports police! The telling issue is whether Hasu was offended. You can ask him if you like. You can ask Stephano if he was offended by Hasu. It was friendly banter based on an existing relationship with previously established levels of banter. Stephano also has a weird banter with JYP where he calls him big-head. Friends can have private in-jokes. That is very different from insulting strangers. Do I really need to explain that?
Actually wether Hasu feels offended or not isn't the case at all, since it wasn't the case with Destiny nor Orb.
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Considering the amount of racism and bigotry I encounter on the ladder on a daily basis, Destiny, Orb, and other's firing might be the biggest absurdity in Starcraft. Everyone gets angry, and a ton of people use words such "nigger" and "faggot" when angry. To witchhunt a player who does it because he represents esports is pure hypocrisy. Racially loaded words won't destroy Starcraft, but mobbing top players will.
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I think its important to note that the person that originally complained was a person who ended up on destinys stream without destinys permission or disgression. He agreed to no terms saying that he was okay with either harassment or racial terms. This means that he was outside destinys self made protections, and that if insulted or offended could rightfully complain. This is also why internet personalities can be dangerous. If destiny is trying to intentionally be offensive for the sake of comedic affect (ie. For the benefit of his personal viewership), then he'll end up causing more problems then if he were just saying whatever he wanted to his stream but not the other player.
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On May 05 2012 03:10 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:08 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 03:06 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:05 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:
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The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense.
Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start.
Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour. It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all. It's good to know you live out that dictum for politeness that you wish to enforce on others. I live in the real world, where people (the people who want to get anywhere in life) treat each other with dignity and respect. Then why do you speak condescendingly to me? I have not been rude to you, as far as I can tell. Nor have I been rude to anyone else in this thread. The real world I live is one in which the people who wish to get anywhere need to be respectful of those who disagree with them.
I'm not being condescending. You were wrong, so I told you , "you are wrong" and then explained why. If you want to make it your perogative to argue with me then 'do what you gotta do'.
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