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On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:35 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:31 Shiori wrote:
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You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty.
I'd like to see a world in which people react to behaviour that offends them not by throwing a tantrum until it's removed from their sight (provided this behaviour doesn't actually infringe upon anyone's rights) but rather by simply voting with their wallet and not contributing to the offensive person. Speak for yourself. It's about respect, decency , and little common sense. If you see nothing 'offensive' about the way destiny acts then you are blind. He says the shit he does PURELY to offend somebody (because he lost a game of starcraft) as if that merit's his behavior. That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough.
You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me.
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sad to see the idiots win
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On May 05 2012 02:55 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:35 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:31 Shiori wrote:
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You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty.
I'd like to see a world in which people react to behaviour that offends them not by throwing a tantrum until it's removed from their sight (provided this behaviour doesn't actually infringe upon anyone's rights) but rather by simply voting with their wallet and not contributing to the offensive person. Speak for yourself. It's about respect, decency , and little common sense. If you see nothing 'offensive' about the way destiny acts then you are blind. He says the shit he does PURELY to offend somebody (because he lost a game of starcraft) as if that merit's his behavior. That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. They may be factually wrong, but the fact that people think being a homosexual means promiscuity means that stereotypes are formed, and that hurts all homosexuals. Whether it's true or not. And that's exactly the language and structure that Destiny is helping to perpetuate.
And yet, some of the people who believe (and preach) that homosexuals are promiscuous (on top of all kinds of others things) are running for Republican Presidential Nominations. And while I think they're terrible people, I wouldn't dream of denying them their right to run.
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Shame on you. The actions you make are hurting the very sport you love. Congratulations.
30 days? See you in 30 days TL... (and I am not even a big Destiny fan..)
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On May 05 2012 02:45 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty. "you're stupid" is morally equivalent to "you're a fucking nigger" or some other slur? that's an untenable position to take but to each his own In the context of "I just lost a game therefore I'm going to insult this guy cause he made me lose," yes, the emotion behind the insult is identical. People just have favourite insults.
The emotion is irrelevant. When you use a racial slur as an insult you imply that a certain race is in some way inferior. You want to hurt someone and you choose do this through racism. That is not cool, ever. It doesn't even matter if you 'truly' are a racist or not.
If you want to be a child and hurl insults at someone, fine. Wish him a fiery death, inform him that you have had sexual relations with his relatives. It feels good sometimes, I'm not going to judge you for indulging yourself. But race is not fair game, ever.
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On May 05 2012 02:55 StarStrider wrote:
All aboard the lynching train. First stop Katu, followed by Orb, then Destiny, who will be next?
Idra has the "Get out of jail free" pass it seems.
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Kid's a dick, but an entertaining dick. Quantic has larger scaled goals in mind and I don't blame them. Good luck to both parties =)
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Okay, so this is now the 3rd (?) time this community has managed to focus down a player or community figure, and essentially get them fired. Are you freaking kidding me? Is this seriously what we've become? In fact, screw that, is this seriously how we want to be seen by new community members? Someone says something that isn't even that big of a deal while they are provided basically free entertainment to the community THEY love, by using the game that they devote there god-damn lives too, and we all choose to demolish there careers?!
I don't know when or how this happened, but it seems like pretty much once a month, the community has some kind of petty, and quite frankly pathetic, witch-hunt against a community figure. It's fucking toxic, it's immature, and what makes it worse, is that stuff like this is happening more often.
I see a lot of people these days using the term "killing eSports" (which quite frankly is also a stupid phrase but I'll use it as it's relevant in this case), but do any of you realise that what's actually "killing eSports" is the fact that this community continues to wage petty and needless witch-hunts, about stuff that they probably don't even give too much of a fuck about. You think someone using a WORD is offensive? Grow the hell up, people, seriously. Are you guys telling me you've honestly never used an offensive word against another human being when you were frustrated? If you say yes, you're a liar.
The funny thing is, most of you actually want starcraft to do well, but when it all comes down to "what the community wants" you don't discuss it. You just decide "well, this sure isn't something I'd like! TO THE SPONSORS". What is that really going to do? Nothing, except scare people away from this toxic community and its continuously ridiculous tirades.
Seriously, if you guys want starcraft to be the next call of duty, where every other gaming community views us as idiotic 12 year olds, then carry on in this fashion. If you don't want that, stop going to the sponsors about stupid, petty disagreements, and start discussing things like adults - if you don't like something, have a rational argument as to WHY you don't like (and no I don't mean "ermm it's like...totally offensive to black people and stuff....") because that is not an argument.
Sorry, I know I'm new to the TL community, but I've been around starcraft for pretty much all of my life, and it makes me die inside every single time I have to read about something like this. Grow up starcraft community, and learn to look at situations from both sides, because if you don't, the whole "killing eSports" bullshit rests entirely on the communities head.
That's all I have to say about this - also, sorry Destiny (if you read this). You didn't deserve this kind of treatment, especially not from your own community.
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Huge props to Quantic, really respect them (and I guess Razer) for making this decision.
Really classy of destiny to bash Razer for not wanting to support players that make bigoted comments -.-
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On May 05 2012 02:56 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:55 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:35 Leth0 wrote:
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Speak for yourself. It's about respect, decency , and little common sense. If you see nothing 'offensive' about the way destiny acts then you are blind. He says the shit he does PURELY to offend somebody (because he lost a game of starcraft) as if that merit's his behavior. That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. They may be factually wrong, but the fact that people think being a homosexual means promiscuity means that stereotypes are formed, and that hurts all homosexuals. Whether it's true or not. And that's exactly the language and structure that Destiny is helping to perpetuate. And yet, some of the people who believe (and preach) that homosexuals are promiscuous (on top of all kinds of others things) are running for Republican Presidential Nominations. And while I think they're terrible people, I wouldn't dream of denying them their right to run.
Denying them fundamental human rights is quite different than criticizing their immoral beliefs and hate speech.
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On May 05 2012 02:56 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:45 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty. "you're stupid" is morally equivalent to "you're a fucking nigger" or some other slur? that's an untenable position to take but to each his own In the context of "I just lost a game therefore I'm going to insult this guy cause he made me lose," yes, the emotion behind the insult is identical. People just have favourite insults. The emotion is irrelevant. When you use a racial slur as an insult you imply that a certain race is in some way inferior. You want to hurt someone and you choose do this through racism. That is not cool, ever. It doesn't even matter if you 'truly' are a racist or not. If you want to be a child and hurl insults at someone, fine. Wish him a fiery death, inform him that you have had sexual relations with his relatives. It feels good sometimes, I'm not going to judge you for indulging yourself. But race is not fair game, ever.
Wishing someone death and sexually degrading all of his relatives, both of which are rather personal insults, is better than simply calling someone a "nigger" offhandedly? My, what a world we live in, where the former is fine but the latter anathema.
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Everytime I read a new comment I give a chuckle to myself. Only self-entitled brats could think that swearing or an insult is on the same level as a racial slur.
Welcome to the real world children.
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On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:35 Leth0 wrote:
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Speak for yourself. It's about respect, decency , and little common sense. If you see nothing 'offensive' about the way destiny acts then you are blind. He says the shit he does PURELY to offend somebody (because he lost a game of starcraft) as if that merit's his behavior. That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me.
We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything.
If you are baffled as to why people would think you are a racist when you don't hesitate to call someone the most vile , disrepectful things you can think of then you are going to have a hard time in this world. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it.
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On May 05 2012 03:00 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:56 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
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That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. They may be factually wrong, but the fact that people think being a homosexual means promiscuity means that stereotypes are formed, and that hurts all homosexuals. Whether it's true or not. And that's exactly the language and structure that Destiny is helping to perpetuate. And yet, some of the people who believe (and preach) that homosexuals are promiscuous (on top of all kinds of others things) are running for Republican Presidential Nominations. And while I think they're terrible people, I wouldn't dream of denying them their right to run. Denying them fundamental human rights is quite different than criticizing their immoral beliefs and hate speech.
And I'm sure people do write in to the GOP and complain, but unlike eSports or the private sector, the positive votes count for something in elections. In fact, they count for more than the negative ones in a lot of cases. If you took a poll of all Sc2 enthusiasts regarding whether Destiny should be fired or not (and whether not firing him would actually decrease Quantic's fanbase significantly) I think that you might find things are a lot closer than you'd expect. What's more, I think you'd find that the vast majority of people aren't going to stop supporting Razer or Quantic or Sase or Naniwa just because Destiny says something, or vice versa. I don't stop supporting the Italian National Football Team because Materazzi insulted Zidane at the 2006 WC, and I didn't even before they punished him.
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On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:36 Shiori wrote:
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That's why I said "virtually." If I lose 20 games straight and someone cheeses me, it's not impossible that I'll call them "a piece of shit." You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks. If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple. Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything.
Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour.
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On May 05 2012 02:57 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:55 StarStrider wrote:
All aboard the lynching train. First stop Katu, followed by Orb, then Destiny, who will be next?
Idra has the "Get out of jail free" pass it seems.
Because Idra would recognize and apologize for his word choice. Destiny defends it. It's why orb, while he got a ton of shit for what he said, is still around and recovered -- he apologized and recognized his mistake.
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On May 05 2012 03:00 ScienceRob wrote:
Everytime I read a new comment I give a chuckle to myself. Only self-entitled brats could think that swearing or an insult is on the same level as a racial slur.
Welcome to the real world children.
Even better are the people who think that we should just "ignore" when streamers or high profile figures in this community use racist language because we can. Are you really that fucking trashy to where you want people to say whatever they feel like and not have consequences? This is just like the rape debate in the fighting game community.
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On May 05 2012 03:00 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:56 Crushinator wrote:On May 05 2012 02:45 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:You seem to be missing my point. We hold people to double standards not because there's anything terribly meritorious about the double standard, but because it makes company X more money to just sack the poor fool than do PR damage control. It's literally that simple. While, as I said, I understand Quantic's decision to sack Destiny, on a purely moral level I see nothing particularly offensive about his behaviour beyond the immorality that accompanies all malicious insulting (which virtually every Sc2 player is guilty of) because I don't think the use of a racial slur represents any serious racial prejudice in Destiny's character. When you insult someone, you aim to hurt them. That's the sin, right there. It's not how you say it or how successfully you hurt them; it's what you mean to do. And in that regard, all people who insult other people are equally guilty. "you're stupid" is morally equivalent to "you're a fucking nigger" or some other slur? that's an untenable position to take but to each his own In the context of "I just lost a game therefore I'm going to insult this guy cause he made me lose," yes, the emotion behind the insult is identical. People just have favourite insults. The emotion is irrelevant. When you use a racial slur as an insult you imply that a certain race is in some way inferior. You want to hurt someone and you choose do this through racism. That is not cool, ever. It doesn't even matter if you 'truly' are a racist or not. If you want to be a child and hurl insults at someone, fine. Wish him a fiery death, inform him that you have had sexual relations with his relatives. It feels good sometimes, I'm not going to judge you for indulging yourself. But race is not fair game, ever. Wishing someone death and sexually degrading all of his relatives, both of which are rather personal insults, is better than simply calling someone a "nigger" offhandedly?
Yes, you got it. It isn't hard.
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Good. SC2 takes one more step towards having a professional atmosphere.
If using racial slurs is part of a figures 'personality' then they have no place in a professional scene.
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On May 05 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:01 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:55 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:53 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:50 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:49 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:48 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:46 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 02:40 Shiori wrote:On May 05 2012 02:38 Leth0 wrote:
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You need to learn the distinction between calling someone a 'piece of shit' and crossing the line into hate filled racist attacks.
If you don't want people to think you are a racist then don't call someone a nigger every time you get upset. Simple.
Whether someone thinks you are a racist is outside of your control. What matters is whether you actually are one, and most people, if they thought about it for awhile, would realize that calling people 'niggers' when one is upset does not a racist make. And for the record, the level of hate behind "you're a piece of shit" and "you're a nigger" is probably exactly equivalent in all cases of Sc2 rage, unless you stumble across someone who somehow knows their opponent is black and actually does hate black people. Wrong. A person's perception of you (based on how you act and the things you say) IS reality. Er, no, actually it isn't reality at all. If I look at a tree and think it's a tree, but it turns out it's really just an exceedingly clever artificial cardboard cutout, then my perception doesn't properly map to reality. The difference being that none of the arbitrary 'points' you have make sense. Calling someone a nigger may not 'make' you a racists, but it sure as well will make people think you are. Not a bad start. Yes, and those people are unjustified in thinking so. There are plenty of people who think being a homosexual means you are a promiscuous, but they are nevertheless wrong. I think it best to focus more on your own personal integrity rather than trying to please everyone; you're inevitably going to lose. Wrong again, Your behavior (by virtue of being disrespectful enough to do that ) is justifacation enough. You cannot construct a sound syllogism which moves from "A uses racial slurs in any context" to "A actually hates minorities." The onus is on you to prove your point, not me. We judge people on the way they conduct themselves and the things they say, that's how the world works. Argue against it all you want, it won't change anything. Yes, but nevertheless, it's unjustified and presumptuous behaviour.
It is completely justified. If you don't want people to think you are racist, don't talk and act racist. If you don't want people to think you are sexist, don't talk and act sexist, but most importantly if you don't want people to think you are stupid, don't talk and act stupid.....better yet don't talk at all.
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EPT
