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On May 05 2012 00:22 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:21 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 00:20 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 Treva wrote:On May 05 2012 00:13 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:09 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 tree.hugger wrote:On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:
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This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing.
I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him.
I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?) So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you? No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument. And that is wrong, because? Because it means so long as there is racism, we should be OK with people using racist words, since we can't ever stop that! That's not what I said, though. What I said was that as long as we constantly remind ourselves of what a "nigger" or a "faggot" is and how we deliberately give the words their meaning, racists and homophobics will always win the battle. That is, unless we "accept" the terms, just like we've more or less accepted "retard" into our little circle of "okay-to-say" vocabulary. It's no secret that we're putting much more weight on how wrong it is to say "nigger" than it is to say "retard", but making fun of a race is no different from making fun of a disease. Eitherway, you can't change the fact that you are of other ethnic origin or that you are born with a mental disease. Then tell me, why is it that we've come to a point where saying "retard" is almost naturally part of our vocabulary of daily insults, when "nigger" isn't? Good luck explaining that to people in the real business world who want to help make this game grow. I can see the conversation now. "Thanks for coming to watch our tournament, we appreciate it." "No problem, my company would love to be involved in....did he just call his opponent a n****r." "Yeah, see we allow that because if we try to censor those kinds of words then they have meaning so we feel that if we just allow people to say it then the meaning goes away." "................." I'm not saying this is a solution, I was making an example. Just like how "retard" is socially accepted nowadays. I'm going to keep calling you on this every time you say it. "Retard" is not a socially acceptable insult. You can't deny the fact that the majority of people today is more "okay" with people saying "retard" than saying "nigger"
ARE. While it is in use more often, the term "retard" is still socially unacceptable when used as an insult, and will get my fired if I called a client one.
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On May 05 2012 00:27 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:20 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 Treva wrote:On May 05 2012 00:13 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:09 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 tree.hugger wrote:On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:
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You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power.
You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community.
Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact.
This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing. I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him. I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?) So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you? No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument. And that is wrong, because? Because it means so long as there is racism, we should be OK with people using racist words, since we can't ever stop that! That's not what I said, though. What I said was that as long as we constantly remind ourselves of what a "nigger" or a "faggot" is and how we deliberately give the words their meaning, racists and homophobics will always win the battle. That is, unless we "accept" the terms, just like we've more or less accepted "retard" into our little circle of "okay-to-say" vocabulary. It's no secret that we're putting much more weight on how wrong it is to say "nigger" than it is to say "retard", but making fun of a race is no different from making fun of a disease. Eitherway, you can't change the fact that you are of other ethnic origin or that you are born with a mental disease. Then tell me, why is it that we've come to a point where saying "retard" is almost naturally part of our vocabulary of daily insults, when "nigger" isn't? Good luck explaining that to people in the real business world who want to help make this game grow. I can see the conversation now. "Thanks for coming to watch our tournament, we appreciate it." "No problem, my company would love to be involved in....did he just call his opponent a n****r." "Yeah, see we allow that because if we try to censor those kinds of words then they have meaning so we feel that if we just allow people to say it then the meaning goes away." "................." I'm not saying this is a solution, I was making an example. Just like how "retard" is socially accepted nowadays. How is it socially accepted nowadays? maybe in the gaming world where kids are in the majority. But looking at one demographic area doesn't make it socially accepted at all levels. However, in the real world, there are repercussions when you say that word. There have been quite a few storms because that word has been used by some people in the public eye recently. Retard has never ever been socially acceptable in the real world.
Read my other posts carefully, please.
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On May 05 2012 00:24 Kilby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:10 Souldrinkah wrote:
Can someone tell me why Destiny got unlisted from TL for 30 days? Exactly. Or why he parted ways with Quantic? The OP for this thread isn't actually that helpful in explaining that. Anyone care to summarize what the hell actually happened? OP should link this closed thread:
Racial Slurs in QuanticDestiny's Stream
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To be honest, Destiny deserved some sort of consequence a long time ago. However, messaging sponsors about his behavior just isn't the way to handle things. Seriously, it takes a special kind of little nerd rager to do something so out of the way as that. This community CANNOT think for itself. All it takes to start an uproar is a well thought out and long original post of a thread. Did something terrible? Write a long statement of apology. Don't like someone's language? Write a long thread and post some screen shots and people will flock to the cause.
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On May 05 2012 00:24 PR4Y wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:19 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:16 Xercen wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 SHOOG wrote:
I've seen this coming. He has like no results but he does draw in a ton of viewers.
I can't say I'm a fan of him, but I hope he has good luck with whatever he does from here. Incontrol has no results either and averages 3-4k viewers everytime i see him play. Incontrol is very charismatic and a professional and very funny. You can see why 3-4k viewers would tune in to watch him play. Afaik, incontrol hasn't resorted to any racial abuse in order to get so many viewers. Maybe Destiny should take a leaf out of his book. Incontrol only averages about 1k.He's never had more viewers than Destiny.Besids Incontrol streams way too rare compared to Destiny.If Incontrol would stream as often as Destiny he would end up at about 500. Incontrol averages WAY more then 1k viewers bro... and he also streams a TON. Every time I check TL, his stream is live with about 3-4k viewers. No idea where you are getting your information from, but you are simply wrong.
He is not on now.And hasn't been in the last week.And he averages about 1000.Destiny is on every day.
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On May 05 2012 00:24 PR4Y wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:19 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:16 Xercen wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 SHOOG wrote:
I've seen this coming. He has like no results but he does draw in a ton of viewers.
I can't say I'm a fan of him, but I hope he has good luck with whatever he does from here. Incontrol has no results either and averages 3-4k viewers everytime i see him play. Incontrol is very charismatic and a professional and very funny. You can see why 3-4k viewers would tune in to watch him play. Afaik, incontrol hasn't resorted to any racial abuse in order to get so many viewers. Maybe Destiny should take a leaf out of his book. Incontrol only averages about 1k.He's never had more viewers than Destiny.Besids Incontrol streams way too rare compared to Destiny.If Incontrol would stream as often as Destiny he would end up at about 500. Incontrol averages WAY more then 1k viewers bro... and he also streams a TON. Every time I check TL, his stream is live with about 3-4k viewers. No idea where you are getting your information from, but you are simply wrong.
Maybe because he's from Romania and you're from the U.S.? I can second that seeing Incontrol stream on CET is very rare, even more so with many viewers.
That being said, his stats are still wrong >.>
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So hilarious that all the people carrying the banner of justice for the greater good of esports are unwilling to say whether they emailed the sponsors. Guess deep down they know they were just running home and crying to mommy. Publically they're perfectly willing to present arguments for why destiny shouldnt use slurs, but not so willing to admit whether they indulged their inner tattle tale.
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On May 05 2012 00:24 Animostas wrote:
I'm not sure I even understand what people get out of shitting on Destiny and emailing sponsors.
Mostly the satisfaction of knowing that their opinion of a really trashy person who coincidentally plays SC2 is shared by others? I don't think Destiny is racist or anything, but man you're really fucking stupid when you use racial slurs as generic insults, then defend your use of them as if more people calling each other nigger is going to help at all with racism in any country. I still think the same thing about Orb, he seems like a cool guy, but you're straight up dumb as hell to be using "nigger" as if it means "stupid". HERP DERP
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On May 05 2012 00:26 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:21 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 00:20 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 Treva wrote:On May 05 2012 00:13 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:09 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 tree.hugger wrote:On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:
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This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing.
I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him.
I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?) So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you? No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument. And that is wrong, because? Because it means so long as there is racism, we should be OK with people using racist words, since we can't ever stop that! That's not what I said, though. What I said was that as long as we constantly remind ourselves of what a "nigger" or a "faggot" is and how we deliberately give the words their meaning, racists and homophobics will always win the battle. That is, unless we "accept" the terms, just like we've more or less accepted "retard" into our little circle of "okay-to-say" vocabulary. It's no secret that we're putting much more weight on how wrong it is to say "nigger" than it is to say "retard", but making fun of a race is no different from making fun of a disease. Eitherway, you can't change the fact that you are of other ethnic origin or that you are born with a mental disease. Then tell me, why is it that we've come to a point where saying "retard" is almost naturally part of our vocabulary of daily insults, when "nigger" isn't? Good luck explaining that to people in the real business world who want to help make this game grow. I can see the conversation now. "Thanks for coming to watch our tournament, we appreciate it." "No problem, my company would love to be involved in....did he just call his opponent a n****r." "Yeah, see we allow that because if we try to censor those kinds of words then they have meaning so we feel that if we just allow people to say it then the meaning goes away." "................." I'm not saying this is a solution, I was making an example. Just like how "retard" is socially accepted nowadays. I'm going to keep calling you on this every time you say it. "Retard" is not a socially acceptable insult. Is there a socially acceptable insult??
Umm...as I've gotten older I've become curious as to why you'd want to insult someone in a video game at all but you're more than welcome to call someone an inanimate object "piece of shit" or, if they're bad at Starcraft you can say things like "you're fucking terrible you scrub." Hell, you can even insult someone's religion if you want...that's a choice.
I'm also dumbfounded as to why this distinction is so difficult for people to understand.
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On May 05 2012 00:26 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:21 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 00:20 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 Treva wrote:On May 05 2012 00:13 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:09 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 tree.hugger wrote:On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:
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This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing.
I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him.
I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?) So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you? No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument. And that is wrong, because? Because it means so long as there is racism, we should be OK with people using racist words, since we can't ever stop that! That's not what I said, though. What I said was that as long as we constantly remind ourselves of what a "nigger" or a "faggot" is and how we deliberately give the words their meaning, racists and homophobics will always win the battle. That is, unless we "accept" the terms, just like we've more or less accepted "retard" into our little circle of "okay-to-say" vocabulary. It's no secret that we're putting much more weight on how wrong it is to say "nigger" than it is to say "retard", but making fun of a race is no different from making fun of a disease. Eitherway, you can't change the fact that you are of other ethnic origin or that you are born with a mental disease. Then tell me, why is it that we've come to a point where saying "retard" is almost naturally part of our vocabulary of daily insults, when "nigger" isn't? Good luck explaining that to people in the real business world who want to help make this game grow. I can see the conversation now. "Thanks for coming to watch our tournament, we appreciate it." "No problem, my company would love to be involved in....did he just call his opponent a n****r." "Yeah, see we allow that because if we try to censor those kinds of words then they have meaning so we feel that if we just allow people to say it then the meaning goes away." "................." I'm not saying this is a solution, I was making an example. Just like how "retard" is socially accepted nowadays. I'm going to keep calling you on this every time you say it. "Retard" is not a socially acceptable insult. Is there a socially acceptable insult??
Yes there are many. Arrogant can be used as an insult. It's not socially unacceptable to use the word. Just to give an example.
Ignorant is another. You get the idea.
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I'm not sure if I want to be a part of the Starcraft 2 community or Teamliquid anymore. I think I will just come here for tournaments, streams, recaps (edit) and HerO's fan club.
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On May 05 2012 00:30 jemoijemoi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:24 PR4Y wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:16 Xercen wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 SHOOG wrote:
I've seen this coming. He has like no results but he does draw in a ton of viewers.
I can't say I'm a fan of him, but I hope he has good luck with whatever he does from here. Incontrol has no results either and averages 3-4k viewers everytime i see him play. Incontrol is very charismatic and a professional and very funny. You can see why 3-4k viewers would tune in to watch him play. Afaik, incontrol hasn't resorted to any racial abuse in order to get so many viewers. Maybe Destiny should take a leaf out of his book. Incontrol only averages about 1k.He's never had more viewers than Destiny.Besids Incontrol streams way too rare compared to Destiny.If Incontrol would stream as often as Destiny he would end up at about 500. Incontrol averages WAY more then 1k viewers bro... and he also streams a TON. Every time I check TL, his stream is live with about 3-4k viewers. No idea where you are getting your information from, but you are simply wrong. He is not on now.And hasn't been in the last week.And he averages about 1000.Destiny is on every day.
You're completely wrong, Incontrol was just on a few days ago with a few thousand viewers.
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On May 05 2012 00:30 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:24 PR4Y wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:16 Xercen wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 SHOOG wrote:
I've seen this coming. He has like no results but he does draw in a ton of viewers.
I can't say I'm a fan of him, but I hope he has good luck with whatever he does from here. Incontrol has no results either and averages 3-4k viewers everytime i see him play. Incontrol is very charismatic and a professional and very funny. You can see why 3-4k viewers would tune in to watch him play. Afaik, incontrol hasn't resorted to any racial abuse in order to get so many viewers. Maybe Destiny should take a leaf out of his book. Incontrol only averages about 1k.He's never had more viewers than Destiny.Besids Incontrol streams way too rare compared to Destiny.If Incontrol would stream as often as Destiny he would end up at about 500. Incontrol averages WAY more then 1k viewers bro... and he also streams a TON. Every time I check TL, his stream is live with about 3-4k viewers. No idea where you are getting your information from, but you are simply wrong. Maybe because he's from Romania and you're from the U.S.? I can second that seeing Incontrol stream on CET is very rare, even more so with many viewers. That being said, his stats are still wrong >.>
I'm in a uni.I rarely sleep at nights so i like to leave some streams or tv channels open(except when I'm with my girlfriend).Incontrol does not stream more than 1-2 times a week.
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On May 05 2012 00:32 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:26 Agathon wrote:On May 05 2012 00:21 Klondikebar wrote:On May 05 2012 00:20 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 Treva wrote:On May 05 2012 00:13 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:09 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 Pantythief wrote:On May 05 2012 00:07 tree.hugger wrote:On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:
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So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you?
No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument. And that is wrong, because? Because it means so long as there is racism, we should be OK with people using racist words, since we can't ever stop that! That's not what I said, though. What I said was that as long as we constantly remind ourselves of what a "nigger" or a "faggot" is and how we deliberately give the words their meaning, racists and homophobics will always win the battle. That is, unless we "accept" the terms, just like we've more or less accepted "retard" into our little circle of "okay-to-say" vocabulary. It's no secret that we're putting much more weight on how wrong it is to say "nigger" than it is to say "retard", but making fun of a race is no different from making fun of a disease. Eitherway, you can't change the fact that you are of other ethnic origin or that you are born with a mental disease. Then tell me, why is it that we've come to a point where saying "retard" is almost naturally part of our vocabulary of daily insults, when "nigger" isn't? Good luck explaining that to people in the real business world who want to help make this game grow. I can see the conversation now. "Thanks for coming to watch our tournament, we appreciate it." "No problem, my company would love to be involved in....did he just call his opponent a n****r." "Yeah, see we allow that because if we try to censor those kinds of words then they have meaning so we feel that if we just allow people to say it then the meaning goes away." "................." I'm not saying this is a solution, I was making an example. Just like how "retard" is socially accepted nowadays. I'm going to keep calling you on this every time you say it. "Retard" is not a socially acceptable insult. Is there a socially acceptable insult?? Umm...as I've gotten older I've become curious as to why you'd want to insult someone in a video game at all but you're more than welcome to call someone an inanimate object "piece of shit" or, if they're bad at Starcraft you can say things like "you're fucking terrible you scrub." Hell, you can even insult someone's religion if you want...that's a choice. I'm also dumbfounded as to why this distinction is so difficult for people to understand.
Wouldn't say any of these are socially acceptable either. The big test is if you would say them at work. If the answer is no, it's not socially acceptable.
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So we can say Fuck bitch shit all we want, but the moment we say nigger or faggot its unacceptable. SC2 has a language filter for a reason, use it if you don't want to be offended. If people are butt hurt about those words on TL well maybe TL needs a language filter. But everyone is just going to turn it off anyways then complain about it, (He called me the N-word).
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On May 05 2012 00:33 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:30 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:24 PR4Y wrote:On May 05 2012 00:19 jemoijemoi wrote:On May 05 2012 00:16 Xercen wrote:On May 05 2012 00:00 SHOOG wrote:
I've seen this coming. He has like no results but he does draw in a ton of viewers.
I can't say I'm a fan of him, but I hope he has good luck with whatever he does from here. Incontrol has no results either and averages 3-4k viewers everytime i see him play. Incontrol is very charismatic and a professional and very funny. You can see why 3-4k viewers would tune in to watch him play. Afaik, incontrol hasn't resorted to any racial abuse in order to get so many viewers. Maybe Destiny should take a leaf out of his book. Incontrol only averages about 1k.He's never had more viewers than Destiny.Besids Incontrol streams way too rare compared to Destiny.If Incontrol would stream as often as Destiny he would end up at about 500. Incontrol averages WAY more then 1k viewers bro... and he also streams a TON. Every time I check TL, his stream is live with about 3-4k viewers. No idea where you are getting your information from, but you are simply wrong. He is not on now.And hasn't been in the last week.And he averages about 1000.Destiny is on every day. You're completely wrong, Incontrol was just on a few days ago with a few thousand viewers.
How many days ago?more than 5 maybe?You need daily content 24/7 to have a community.Team Eg streaming hours combined don't equal the streaming hours of Destiny/Dragon.
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why did destiny's stream get unlisted from TL when Idra's didn't when he was banned?
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On May 05 2012 00:33 Myrddraal wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to be a part of the Starcraft 2 community or Teamliquid anymore. I think I will just come here for tournaments, streams and recaps.
I think you may be on to something.
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Pretty disappointed in our community :|
Oh well, hope everything works out for him.
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Great community we got im wondering who next you dramaqueens can get fired
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