EPTI'm sure he'll find a place in that.
But no worries, I can admire a guy who can stick to his guns and not change himself JUST for sponsors.
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itsMAHVELbaybee
292 Posts
I'm sure he'll find a place in that. But no worries, I can admire a guy who can stick to his guns and not change himself JUST for sponsors. | ||
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achristes
Norway653 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:52 papaz wrote: Doesn't matter. The important thing is that the community can make an impact (for better or worse) and he sure as hell felt the it when the door from Quantic got slammed in his face. GL on finding a new team. He quit the team himself, he didn't get kicked. Pretty big difference. | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
 I'm happy for Quantic that they separated themselves with Destiny, as having him on the team can really complicate things. Also happy that Destiny realized that and took it in stride. As controversial as some of his actions are, he's a member of this community so it would be sad to see him down and out. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:06 Frunkis wrote: Wouldn't finding it offensive mean that you agree that it's a negative attribute? How can it be offensive if being asian isn't considered bad? People use slurs not because they're racist, but because they get a reaction. A reaction from people like you. As soon as people stop being offended and making a big deal out of it then the word becomes powerless. Where did I say I was offended? | ||
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TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:07 Shadow_Dog wrote: This is what happens when idiots take ladder BM way too seriously. Ladder BM = MULE dropping, offensive GG, "get out", etc... This was more than ladder BM. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:07 achristes wrote: He quit the team himself, he didn't get kicked. Pretty big difference. Rofl, that's like "I broke up with my GF before she got the chance to break up with me so I left her and not the other way around". | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 04 2012 21:08 Jojo131 wrote: Same here. "OH BUT ITS FOR THE GOOD OF ESPORTS GUYS" Give me a break. just QFT. whoever think this is the right thing to do (same to everything irl), need to think about it. seriously. | ||
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Jazzman88
Canada2228 Posts
What I have a problem with is the method which some elements of the community are using to see what they perceive as 'justice' carried out. The way I see it is this: if Destiny and the targeted player worked in an office building, and they had a disagreement over a project proposal, and Destiny said the things he did, what would happen? The victimized party would go to the supervisor or whatever 'boss' they had, and would say: "This other employee by the name of Destiny said this, this and this. I'd like to lodge a complaint." And then the paperwork would get filled out and there would be some sort of action on the part of the management. What the other person would NOT do is run out the door of the office building, screaming for a news reporter so that they could tell the world what had happened. Nowadays, people believe that they have the right to know everything, which I vehemently disagree with. You know what WOULD have been appropriate? Taking the screenshot of the language and IDEALLY finding another few to include as evidence of consistency, and e-mailing them to Quantic, saying: "Here is what an EMPLOYEE of yours is doing under your banner." Nothing more. Let them know. Quantic would then take a look at it, and hopefully decide on some sort of punishment (which I don't doubt they would do from a business standpoint because of all the fallout we're seeing right now). E-mailing sponsors of teams is a terrible idea. By doing so, you're completely invalidating the very existence of teams. Teams are there to give players a support system and improve the professional relationships of the e-sports community. By circumventing them, you're effectively saying that they're not worth your time. I don't care if you THINK teams won't act fast enough; give them the chance to do their job. Stop e-mailing sponsor companies directly. If you have a complaint, take it to a team and request that they let the public know what direction they will be taking. But it is not YOUR JOB to make sure people get fired. You have no idea about the business and logistics of it; give them the time to do it right. | ||
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:07 achristes wrote: He quit the team himself, he didn't get kicked. Pretty big difference. "don't use that language" "no" for a few hours they cycle through this and realize this relationship isn't gonna work out and mutually agree to part. | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Frunkis
United States146 Posts
You used the word "disgusting" to describe it. | ||
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TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote: How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed Not by an angry mob. | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
I really don't get this whole YOU ARE KILLING ESPORTS thing by denouncing destiny's actions..You know what is really a shame? that this guy who is really not a professional level player gets far more support than truely skilled starcraft players who don't act out in harmful ways. Want to stop getting destroyed by Europe and Korea, want to have a "scene" that actual promotes growth and starts turning out good players? Perhaps we should support skill in game rather than Rush Limbaugh type personalities that make us feel better about ourselves for saying and thinking mean things about people. I can see immature kids thinking he is cool and funny, but honestly for someone older I find it completely immature and pointless. The NA scene is incredibly arrogant for its standing in the world. The community and the professional players should be doing everything we can to emulate a korean model, because you know, they have been doing quite well for so many years, and even managed to get a TV station dedicated to esports. Have you ever seen this crap go down in Korea? I'm not saying we have to behave exactly like they do, because there are cultural differences. But we have a LOT to learn on so many fronts from them. Instead of making excuses and trying to prove we know a better way, we should be looking to them. This trivial shit should be just that. Was it appropriate for the actions against destiny to be taken? ABSOLUTELY. Should he even be in the position that he is in based on his skills as a player? I think we know the answer to that. As for this incident hurting him, I feel bad if he loses a ton of income off this, but ultimately that lies with him being entertaining and informative to viewers. If he does not provide those services to his audiences liking, he needs to change or find a new career. This was the best course of action, and I really think its silly to start boiling with anger at people who made this happen. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote: wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. | ||
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Soma Cruz
United States209 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:06 wuhan_clan wrote: You yet again fail to grasp the point here. If Destiny wasn't trying to be racist, why did he choose a racially charged slur over a non racially charged insult? Do I think Destiny is an actual racist based on his using racist slurs on his stream? No. Because he thought the word sounded good/fit the moment and may get a rise out of the other person a little more than faggot, retard, cheeser, idiot, butthole, or shit. | ||
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Frunkis
United States146 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:11 Jazzman88 wrote: I agree that what Destiny did was wrong and there should have been consequences for it. Hate speech cannot and should not be treated lightly, even at the expense of the right to free speech. Yes. Free speech should only be for the stuff everyone likes and agrees with. | ||
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