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Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1001
Good Luck Destiny !
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TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1002
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"


Why don't you admit you enjoy hate mongering?
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Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1003
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"

Why use the word, unless you know it offends people?
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1004
I wouldn't have thought that a company based on fucking his customers with over-expensive gaming paraphernalia made in China (pro-tip: small LED lights shouldn't grant the right to call a normal optic mouse a "GAMING" mouse and to double the prize tag) was going to be so sensitive about X-treme language.

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Soma Cruz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States209 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1005
On May 04 2012 21:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Everyone is subconsciously racist to some degree. There are hundreds of other words that Destiny could have chosen in this context to convey the exact same meaning yet he chose to use a racist word. Whether he was trying to be racist or not is irrelevent.

That said, I used to watch Destiny a long time ago but that was before real pro players started streaming. In fact, after this post im going to go watch an actual quality stream like Polt or MC.


I'm not white, so I can't be racist. Impossible.

Destiny also is only half white , so it's impossible
probob
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany227 Posts
May 04 2012 12:51 GMT
#1006
On May 04 2012 21:31 lorkac wrote:
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On May 04 2012 21:28 probob wrote:
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Why is everybody so sensitive about these words? Playing starcraft at a high level is like doing sports, your adrenaline rushes and you get mad at the opponent, its the most normal thing in the world. In football, players always get in brawls and insult each other. So what if he calls his asian opponent a gook out of anger in the game, its like he doesnt even mean him personally, he just wants to get back at the guy for being owned. IMO anything goes in that moment and every sportsmen knows that.

Now if he goes on a 10 minute rant on how asians are stupid or whatever, thats a completely different thing and actually racist, but what he did is not, its just an outburst of anger.
Its totally different to think about and believe in the theory that one race is better/smarter/etc. than another which would make one a racist and just angrily shouting/texting the worst insult you can think off at a given time.
I rage too on ladder (only occasionally) and i call people faggots just for the fuck of it, I just built a city for 20 minutes and you destroyed it what do you expect? But Im not a homophobe or anything, its just a word ill say to get to you and make you mad aswell.
Im really upset with those emailers, they feel so entitled to themselves, just do not watch destiny if you dont like his choice of words, how hard is that concept to understand? Instead you force your opinion on others, how can you be that obnoxious, just leave it alone, dont get involved with it.

If you censor certain words, they wont disappear. If you say the n-word, Ill think of the word nigger. You just made me say it in my own head. Why wont you fucking say it, if we both think of the same exact thing?

Destiny should not be forced to leave the team and sponsors should not have been informed and most importantly our community should have stuck together, instead of hunting destiny down and get him kicked out.

I read Gheeds blog and he was so right, you treat eSports like a cult, worship people like day9 like the messias and cleanse our community off evil people like orb and destiny who dont conform to this faggotry. Now let me tell you, I was in this for 2 years, watching and playing this game on a nearly daily basis and although it may have its flaws I really loved it and supported the game and its players and casters where I could, althought I never bought any hd pass or anything else for money, but I commented, tweeted and most importantly played and watched.

But I think thats it for me, you can have your Startology, Ill be playing Diablo soon, finally.

I dont think racism is fun or entertaining, and ill bet you destiny and orb dont think so either.
They are just ragers. And IF anyone from the reddit community would actually play this game once in a while, they would know how hard losing feels in this game.

For everyone hating on 4chan in this thread, its not only a cesspool of racist and edgy teenagers, its actually the definition of free speech, a place where genius and stupidity can appear at all times. We should value such a place, I guess in a few years from now everything on the internet is gonna be facebook, youtube or google. we can still decide which account to log in with and who we get surveiled by, at least, thats so awesome, right guys?



I know it's hard to keep your calm when upset at work. But it's part of being professional isn't it? They're getting paid to play a game after all.


I know you are right with this, but I feel like destiny especially is more an entertainer then a pro player, and its his persona to say whats on his mind and not be politically correct and he makes it work for his viewers. If someone like Naniwa would insult other koreans on korean ladder as gooks I would find that to be more offensive, because he is a player that plays at the absolute top and for the win all the time and I would consider him a pro more than destiny, although they both get paid for representing a brand. I just feel like complaining about profanity on destinys stream is like going to a katt williams show and be offended by his use of words. You knew what you were getting into.
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
May 04 2012 12:53 GMT
#1007
I just feel like complaining about profanity on destinys stream is like going to a katt williams show and be offended by his use of words.
I don't know who Katt Williams is but I'm pretty sure he doesn't call people who beat him in a game on stage with thousands of people watching 'niggers' or 'gooks'.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
May 04 2012 12:54 GMT
#1008
Good luck Steven, i'll keep supporting you.
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
May 04 2012 12:54 GMT
#1009
On May 04 2012 21:50 legaton wrote:
I wouldn't have thought that a company based on fucking his customers with over-expensive gaming paraphernalia made in China (pro-tip: small LED lights shouldn't grant the right to call a normal optic mouse a "GAMING" mouse and to double the prize tag) was going to be so sensitive about X-treme language.


Destiny's language offended their sweat shop workers I guess.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:54 GMT
#1010
On May 04 2012 21:51 probob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:31 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:28 probob wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Why is everybody so sensitive about these words? Playing starcraft at a high level is like doing sports, your adrenaline rushes and you get mad at the opponent, its the most normal thing in the world. In football, players always get in brawls and insult each other. So what if he calls his asian opponent a gook out of anger in the game, its like he doesnt even mean him personally, he just wants to get back at the guy for being owned. IMO anything goes in that moment and every sportsmen knows that.

Now if he goes on a 10 minute rant on how asians are stupid or whatever, thats a completely different thing and actually racist, but what he did is not, its just an outburst of anger.
Its totally different to think about and believe in the theory that one race is better/smarter/etc. than another which would make one a racist and just angrily shouting/texting the worst insult you can think off at a given time.
I rage too on ladder (only occasionally) and i call people faggots just for the fuck of it, I just built a city for 20 minutes and you destroyed it what do you expect? But Im not a homophobe or anything, its just a word ill say to get to you and make you mad aswell.
Im really upset with those emailers, they feel so entitled to themselves, just do not watch destiny if you dont like his choice of words, how hard is that concept to understand? Instead you force your opinion on others, how can you be that obnoxious, just leave it alone, dont get involved with it.

If you censor certain words, they wont disappear. If you say the n-word, Ill think of the word nigger. You just made me say it in my own head. Why wont you fucking say it, if we both think of the same exact thing?

Destiny should not be forced to leave the team and sponsors should not have been informed and most importantly our community should have stuck together, instead of hunting destiny down and get him kicked out.

I read Gheeds blog and he was so right, you treat eSports like a cult, worship people like day9 like the messias and cleanse our community off evil people like orb and destiny who dont conform to this faggotry. Now let me tell you, I was in this for 2 years, watching and playing this game on a nearly daily basis and although it may have its flaws I really loved it and supported the game and its players and casters where I could, althought I never bought any hd pass or anything else for money, but I commented, tweeted and most importantly played and watched.

But I think thats it for me, you can have your Startology, Ill be playing Diablo soon, finally.

I dont think racism is fun or entertaining, and ill bet you destiny and orb dont think so either.
They are just ragers. And IF anyone from the reddit community would actually play this game once in a while, they would know how hard losing feels in this game.

For everyone hating on 4chan in this thread, its not only a cesspool of racist and edgy teenagers, its actually the definition of free speech, a place where genius and stupidity can appear at all times. We should value such a place, I guess in a few years from now everything on the internet is gonna be facebook, youtube or google. we can still decide which account to log in with and who we get surveiled by, at least, thats so awesome, right guys?



I know it's hard to keep your calm when upset at work. But it's part of being professional isn't it? They're getting paid to play a game after all.


I know you are right with this, but I feel like destiny especially is more an entertainer then a pro player, and its his persona to say whats on his mind and not be politically correct and he makes it work for his viewers. If someone like Naniwa would insult other koreans on korean ladder as gooks I would find that to be more offensive, because he is a player that plays at the absolute top and for the win all the time and I would consider him a pro more than destiny, although they both get paid for representing a brand. I just feel like complaining about profanity on destinys stream is like going to a katt williams show and be offended by his use of words. You knew what you were getting into.


I personally do think that Destiny is just a clown (professionally speaking) wherein he says insulting things in order to get people angry. But he was in a pro team, going to tournaments, and even teaching SC2 to newer players for a fee. So he's not really doing clown like things--he seems to legitimately think that he is a pro player. And hence, he deserves the charges slammed against him.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Soma Cruz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States209 Posts
May 04 2012 12:54 GMT
#1011
On May 04 2012 21:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"


Why don't you admit you enjoy hate mongering?


Raging on ladder is hate mongering?

Tons of people get angry while I ladder, he just types out his rage.

IdrA says things like "French Canadians are a little retarded, so he'll be doing something gay"

No butthurt at all

Destiny insults someone with a random out of context slur, let the train of being mad come truckin'
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 04 2012 12:55 GMT
#1012
On May 04 2012 21:50 legaton wrote:
I wouldn't have thought that a company based on fucking his customers with over-expensive gaming paraphernalia made in China (pro-tip: small LED lights shouldn't grant the right to call a normal optic mouse a "GAMING" mouse and to double the prize tag) was going to be so sensitive about X-treme language.


protip: capitalizing and quoting a word will get your point across swimmingly!
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
May 04 2012 12:56 GMT
#1013
He represented Quantic, there must have been some breakdown in communication between him and Quantic, if they didn't know her perchant for such language bad on their part. Destiny should've known better, he carries the team branding and he then dragged it through the mud, this isn't the first time. Opinion is overrated, staying true to yourself is overrated. It's one thing to be brave and one to be stupid. If Destiny knows how harmful he is to the Quantic brand to the point of parting with them, why did he get with them in the first place.

And stupid Quantic, because they should've thought about it better, why would you want a horde of fanbois set in the same mould as their hero Destiny. I didn't think anything of them before this but not anymore.

Lastly, his hipocrisy sickens me. You guys say he's aint toxic, what is this shit that he spreads? Report to razor? Hope the people there are smart enough to disregard his stupid fanboys. I'm no prude, but to his sponsors such inflammatory comments are really out of order, no two ways about it. We can't have a horde of children emulating him and stirring up shit (doesn't really hurt anyone to be fair but give the community a bad name) Civility should take precedence over free speech. People have their differences, it's not worth starting a fight about, you can't change jack shit.

I blame the constitution but this post is opinion in and of itself so fuck me.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 12:58:47
May 04 2012 12:56 GMT
#1014
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"


Have you never considered why we use certain words as insults? Why do you insult a person by calling them a piece of shit? It's because shit is an extremely undesirable thing for a person to be compared to, hence it being insulting. This is true of every insult, you are calling someone something negative and undesirable or at least something that was considered to be negative and undesirable at the time the word was popularized, that's what makes them insults.

It's like when you call someone a faggot. Whatever you choose to believe the fact is that in modern usage the word faggot is a derogatory term for a homosexual. When you try to insult someone and your word of choice to do so is "faggot", the implication there is that homosexuality is a negative and undesirable attribute.

That's looking at context.

If he congratulated a friend by saying "Great job gook!" then talking about context would be a defense. But he didn't, he insulted a guy on ladder by calling him a gook. I'm looking at the context, and that is an absolutely disgusting thing to say.

If there is nothing wrong with being asian then why are you trying to insult someone by using a word that is a derogatory term for asian people? It's not insulting then.
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
May 04 2012 12:57 GMT
#1015
On May 04 2012 21:54 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"


Why don't you admit you enjoy hate mongering?


Raging on ladder is hate mongering?

Tons of people get angry while I ladder, he just types out his rage.

IdrA says things like "French Canadians are a little retarded, so he'll be doing something gay"

No butthurt at all

Destiny insults someone with a random out of context slur, let the train of being mad come truckin'


Insulting a player who identifies themselves as Korean by using a racial slur is random?
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thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
May 04 2012 12:57 GMT
#1016
On May 04 2012 21:50 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:46 Soma Cruz wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:44 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Except Destiny was not kicked out for insulting people. He was not fired for saying fuck, or ass, or whatever. He was not fired for swearing. He was fired for using bigoted language.


He wasn't kicked. He left.

And he wasn't using them in a racist context. He was using it interchangably with "moron" (which was a derogatory word for handicapped people) or "STUPID FUCKING CHEESER"

I don't see why everyone has to be a hyper sensitive flower in this community. It's really getting old.


Yes. To him Asian, moron, and cheeser (someone who wins unfairly, cheater, etc...) mean the same thing. In other words, he was racist--by your observation. Why? Because he thinks there's no difference between calling someone a cheater and calling them asian, because obviously asians are cheaters too (according to that mindset).


How did you come to that conclusion?
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kcbgoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland156 Posts
May 04 2012 12:57 GMT
#1017
Honestly I don't think it affects him that much.
On the other hand it is starting to hurt everyone else, first Orb drama, now this, it's just a matter of time until next one comes up. This shit needs to stop, if not from stupid whiny drama looking kids than from teams and sponsors.
The internet is the internet, you have to notice that the professionalism you're reffering to, is non-existant and non-achievable on the internet. Do you realize that most of players said some stupid shit at least one time? Do you really want to commit to something ridiculous like this? Punishing everyone of them for it, in this day and age, when on the internet I see 95% of people acting worse than that? Who the fu** is throwing the first stone?
It's impossible to get offended by stuff like this in 2012 when in every game I play I see only one angrier person than another, BMing eachother. Everyone who has been on the internet for 15 minutes and owns a brain knows that.
What I see happening seems to me like next level BM of one more angrier guy. And I bet that right now, the next drama troll, is sitting in his cave already, watching replays, and looking for the next target.
Someone has to find a way to fight this, because frankly it will eventually became like this: 1st guy will message sponsor that he won't buy his stuff, because he said "fag" on stream. Team will fire him or whatever, and then the 2nd guy will be like: Hey I liked this player, you're not supporting him anymore? Well then fu and your product.
Do you really want this vicious circle to destroy every person who said stupid shit? Think about that. Because eventually there won't be anyone left.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
May 04 2012 12:58 GMT
#1018
Good Luck Steven !!!
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Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
May 04 2012 12:58 GMT
#1019
On May 04 2012 21:26 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:24 BXiT wrote:

Actually it does :/ The goal of words is really to transmit an idea, an emotion or an intent to someone. They have no meaning otherwise.

If you use offensive language to do so then people will get offended. I fail to see how this could possibly be a surprise to anyone in civilised society.


suprise is, what you find offensive may not be offensive to someone else.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Soma Cruz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States209 Posts
May 04 2012 12:58 GMT
#1020
On May 04 2012 21:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:48 Soma Cruz wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"


Have you never considered why we use certain words as insults? Why do you insult a person by calling them a piece of shit? It's because shit is an extremely undesirable thing for a person to be compared to, hence it being insulting. This is true of every insult, you are calling someone something negative and undesirable or at least something that was considered to be negative and undesirable at the time the word was popularized, that's what makes them insults.

It's like when you call someone a faggot. Whatever you choose to believe the fact is that in modern usage the word faggot is a derogatory term for a homosexual. When you try to insult someone and your word of choice to do so is "faggot", the implication there is that homosexuality is a negative and undesirable attribute.

That's looking at context.

If he congratulated a friend by saying "Great job gook!" then talking about context would be a defense. But he didn't, he insulted a guy on ladder by calling him a gook. I'm looking at the context, and that is an absolutely disgusting thing to say.


How would words ever change if people used them in the same context all the time?

And faggot isn't just gay people. Just because you're gay, doesn't make you a faggot. Faggot very much is a general insult now. It's been pretty much warped down by now.
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