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PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 04 2012 12:40 GMT
#981
gl steven!!<3
http://twitter.com/PiQLiQ
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:41 GMT
#982
On May 04 2012 21:39 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:38 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:35 Utinni wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:31 R3demption wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:21 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:20 zeru wrote:
And thats what is supposed to happen when someome makes racist and homophobic comments in a professional environment, god luck trying that anywhere else and expecting not to get fired. It's about damn time actually. I laugh at the attempts to justify the things he says with "its just words"/"free speech".


The SC2 ladder is a professional environment? I'm pro and I never even knew it?


Professionalism is being paid to play. If you get paid, you're now a pro of your field. Meaning every time Destiny streams he's streaming professionally. I don't really see why people don't understand why he might need professional conduct. I thought we were arguing over whether or not its acceptable to use the language he uses.

I swear some ppl actually still live under a rock.


Its most likely that they've never had a steady job before.


Your insults lead me to believe there isn't much to be said about you either.


That wasn't an insult--just a statement.

If you had a steady job, you'd know what being a professional means.

If you haven't had a steady job, simply working part time every now and then, you're less likely to know what being a professional means.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
iTsCaRNaGe
Profile Joined May 2012
22 Posts
May 04 2012 12:42 GMT
#983
On May 04 2012 21:41 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:39 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:38 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:35 Utinni wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:31 R3demption wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:21 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:20 zeru wrote:
And thats what is supposed to happen when someome makes racist and homophobic comments in a professional environment, god luck trying that anywhere else and expecting not to get fired. It's about damn time actually. I laugh at the attempts to justify the things he says with "its just words"/"free speech".


The SC2 ladder is a professional environment? I'm pro and I never even knew it?


Professionalism is being paid to play. If you get paid, you're now a pro of your field. Meaning every time Destiny streams he's streaming professionally. I don't really see why people don't understand why he might need professional conduct. I thought we were arguing over whether or not its acceptable to use the language he uses.

I swear some ppl actually still live under a rock.


Its most likely that they've never had a steady job before.


Your insults lead me to believe there isn't much to be said about you either.


That wasn't an insult--just a statement.

If you had a steady job, you'd know what being a professional means.

If you haven't had a steady job, simply working part time every now and then, you're less likely to know what being a professional means.


If you don't understand what an indirect insult is I'm sorry, but the fact remains, it's an insult.
tassblaster
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada47 Posts
May 04 2012 12:43 GMT
#984
When will people understand you earn respect by giving it out.

or

Dominating and being EXTREMELY skilled at what you do.
you guys that keep comparing sc2 to sports should know this by now

I can see why soo many people hate on Destiny in the community
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:44 GMT
#985
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Except Destiny was not kicked out for insulting people. He was not fired for saying fuck, or ass, or whatever. He was not fired for swearing. He was fired for using bigoted language.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Krainer
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada55 Posts
May 04 2012 12:44 GMT
#986
On May 04 2012 21:15 lorkac wrote:
Destiny called someone a gook in a public space. Just because its the internet does not change what actually happened. It only changes how much you care about it.

For example, kids are dying in Darfur right now as I speak. I know they are. Am I crying over them? No. Because they're far away and the fighting and the hostilities don't directly affect me. Does that mean that those kids aren't dying in Darfur? No, they're still dying--I simply don't care.

Destiny calling someone a gook is racist. You caring or not caring about doesn't change that.



Actually our caring caused Destiny to lose money face time, branding and popularity. If he does not care then fine for him, but we care and we do not put up with that type of childish shit.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:45 GMT
#987
On May 04 2012 21:43 tassblaster wrote:
When will people understand you earn respect by giving it out.

or

Dominating and being EXTREMELY skilled at what you do.
you guys that keep comparing sc2 to sports should know this by now

I can see why soo many people hate on Destiny in the community


Because he has neither?
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
May 04 2012 12:45 GMT
#988
good luck destiny
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
ProxySilmaril
Profile Joined June 2011
81 Posts
May 04 2012 12:45 GMT
#989
I start to like destiny more and more, he is honest, I like honest people!
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
May 04 2012 12:46 GMT
#990
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?
Liquid crystal display everyday.
FuRRyChoBo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States218 Posts
May 04 2012 12:46 GMT
#991
wait, so you guys are okay with the idea of playing a video game for a living, but not occasionally cursing? what are you, 12 years old?
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:46 GMT
#992
On May 04 2012 21:44 Krainer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:15 lorkac wrote:
Destiny called someone a gook in a public space. Just because its the internet does not change what actually happened. It only changes how much you care about it.

For example, kids are dying in Darfur right now as I speak. I know they are. Am I crying over them? No. Because they're far away and the fighting and the hostilities don't directly affect me. Does that mean that those kids aren't dying in Darfur? No, they're still dying--I simply don't care.

Destiny calling someone a gook is racist. You caring or not caring about doesn't change that.



Actually our caring caused Destiny to lose money face time, branding and popularity. If he does not care then fine for him, but we care and we do not put up with that type of childish shit.


The community caring got him fired--it did not define that saying gook is racist or not. The community witnessed Destiny being racist, and then complained about it.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Soma Cruz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States209 Posts
May 04 2012 12:46 GMT
#993
On May 04 2012 21:44 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Except Destiny was not kicked out for insulting people. He was not fired for saying fuck, or ass, or whatever. He was not fired for swearing. He was fired for using bigoted language.


He wasn't kicked. He left.

And he wasn't using them in a racist context. He was using it interchangably with "moron" (which was a derogatory word for handicapped people) or "STUPID FUCKING CHEESER"

I don't see why everyone has to be a hyper sensitive flower in this community. It's really getting old.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
May 04 2012 12:47 GMT
#994
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 04 2012 21:28 probob wrote:
Why is everybody so sensitive about these words? Playing starcraft at a high level is like doing sports, your adrenaline rushes and you get mad at the opponent, its the most normal thing in the world. In football, players always get in brawls and insult each other. So what if he calls his asian opponent a gook out of anger in the game, its like he doesnt even mean him personally, he just wants to get back at the guy for being owned. IMO anything goes in that moment and every sportsmen knows that.

Now if he goes on a 10 minute rant on how asians are stupid or whatever, thats a completely different thing and actually racist, but what he did is not, its just an outburst of anger.
Its totally different to think about and believe in the theory that one race is better/smarter/etc. than another which would make one a racist and just angrily shouting/texting the worst insult you can think off at a given time.
I rage too on ladder (only occasionally) and i call people faggots just for the fuck of it, I just built a city for 20 minutes and you destroyed it what do you expect? But Im not a homophobe or anything, its just a word ill say to get to you and make you mad aswell.
Im really upset with those emailers, they feel so entitled to themselves, just do not watch destiny if you dont like his choice of words, how hard is that concept to understand? Instead you force your opinion on others, how can you be that obnoxious, just leave it alone, dont get involved with it.

If you censor certain words, they wont disappear. If you say the n-word, Ill think of the word nigger. You just made me say it in my own head. Why wont you fucking say it, if we both think of the same exact thing?

Destiny should not be forced to leave the team and sponsors should not have been informed and most importantly our community should have stuck together, instead of hunting destiny down and get him kicked out.

I read Gheeds blog and he was so right, you treat eSports like a cult, worship people like day9 like the messias and cleanse our community off evil people like orb and destiny who dont conform to this faggotry. Now let me tell you, I was in this for 2 years, watching and playing this game on a nearly daily basis and although it may have its flaws I really loved it and supported the game and its players and casters where I could, althought I never bought any hd pass or anything else for money, but I commented, tweeted and most importantly played and watched.

But I think thats it for me, you can have your Startology, Ill be playing Diablo soon, finally.

I dont think racism is fun or entertaining, and ill bet you destiny and orb dont think so either.
They are just ragers. And IF anyone from the reddit community would actually play this game once in a while, they would know how hard losing feels in this game.

For everyone hating on 4chan in this thread, its not only a cesspool of racist and edgy teenagers, its actually the definition of free speech, a place where genius and stupidity can appear at all times. We should value such a place, I guess in a few years from now everything on the internet is gonna be facebook, youtube or google. we can still decide which account to log in with and who we get surveiled by, at least, thats so awesome, right guys?


Thank you, I thought only I was thinking: "but..but..Isn't all that just rage of the moment?" I've already almost broke my computer after losing sc2 games, people react to this game man. Tennis had this moments and oh they are REAL public figures. Football has those all the time, or do you think the players are cordial to each other in the heat of the game? I don't actually think Gheed's blog is right but it has a lot of good points. And of course 4chan has its needed place in an internet that will lose its meaning if it becomes only a process of which corporate hub am I in now, in which you have your own name and are being watched and judged.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:47 GMT
#995
On May 04 2012 21:46 FuRRyChoBo wrote:
wait, so you guys are okay with the idea of playing a video game for a living, but not occasionally cursing? what are you, 12 years old?


He wasn't fired for cursing. But thanks for not reading.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
May 04 2012 12:47 GMT
#996
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


What kind of persons personality is defined by their usage of racial slurs?
Soma Cruz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States209 Posts
May 04 2012 12:48 GMT
#997
On May 04 2012 21:46 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


You love that Destiny is staying true to being a hate mongering bigot?


How is he a bigot? Because he isn't racist or homophobic?

Oh wait, you're just taking the words at their base meaning and not looking at the context. He isn't saying "I FUCKING HATE ALL ASIAN/BLACK/GAY PEOPLE". He is saying "HOLY SHIT YOU DUMB CHEESY BASTARD"
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
May 04 2012 12:48 GMT
#998
People just love to get offended by things. It's like a hobby for some people. It's a shame that being offended is so rarely followed by exactly the response it deserves based on its importance, which is shutting the hell up and moving on. You don't have a right to not be offended.
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
May 04 2012 12:49 GMT
#999
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Everyone is subconsciously racist to some degree. There are hundreds of other words that Destiny could have chosen in this context to convey the exact same meaning yet he chose to use a racist word. Whether he was trying to be racist or not is irrelevent.

That said, I used to watch Destiny a long time ago but that was before real pro players started streaming. In fact, after this post im going to go watch an actual quality stream like Polt or MC.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 12:50 GMT
#1000
On May 04 2012 21:46 Soma Cruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 21:44 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 21:39 Soma Cruz wrote:
I really hope Destiny never changes his personality. I love that he stays true to himself no matter what happens.

I understand that he isn't racist and is just using those words in a general, non racist context to try and insult the other player for cheesing. Some people can't figure it out, though.

When IdrA calls people retarded or tells the other player to kill themselves, no one gets as butthurt and emails sponsors. Even though wishing death on someone is much worse than plainly insulting them


Except Destiny was not kicked out for insulting people. He was not fired for saying fuck, or ass, or whatever. He was not fired for swearing. He was fired for using bigoted language.


He wasn't kicked. He left.

And he wasn't using them in a racist context. He was using it interchangably with "moron" (which was a derogatory word for handicapped people) or "STUPID FUCKING CHEESER"

I don't see why everyone has to be a hyper sensitive flower in this community. It's really getting old.


Yes. To him Asian, moron, and cheeser (someone who wins unfairly, cheater, etc...) mean the same thing. In other words, he was racist--by your observation. Why? Because he thinks there's no difference between calling someone a cheater and calling them asian, because obviously asians are cheaters too (according to that mindset).
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
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