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Keep this civil, guys
oHInsane
Profile Joined February 2005
France727 Posts
May 04 2012 09:02 GMT
#501
And the witch-hunt goes on...

I won't argue because I think everything that could be said on this matter has already been said. I'm gonna just trust Destiny and says this decision won't hurt Quantic and Destiny badly.
BXiT
Profile Joined March 2012
France44 Posts
May 04 2012 09:02 GMT
#502
On May 04 2012 18:01 sinjitsu_ wrote:
When your a progamer, you take on a certain level or responsibilty, hence the "pro". If you dont want that responsibilty, dont get sponsored.


Says who ? The stable 5k viewers for Destiny disagree with you.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
May 04 2012 09:02 GMT
#503
On May 04 2012 17:54 TheDraken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 17:41 adrenaLinG wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:31 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 04 2012 17:06 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:53 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.

Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion.

I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it.


the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it.

this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer.

I'm a gamer. All my friends are gamers. I don't know any one of them that uses words like "gook", "nigger", or "Chink". And there's a difference between someone gaming on their own and a professional- and to those who claim he's just a streamer in private, that's what he's best known for, and he's representing a professional gaming team. If he isn't one, then he shouldn't be on one. I'm sure tons of people playing Basketball for fun use homophobic slurs, but if an NBA player did he would get his ass fined and maybe a suspension. If you're a public figure, you're held to a different standard .Simple as that.


well i'm glad you think you and your friends are the scope of the situation. unfortunately for you there's a bigger world outside that DOES include nigger gook and chink in it. there are people out there that realize words are just words. honestly, i thought the whole sticks and stones thing was something people learned when they were like 5. the whole "protection of the public" argument really only comes into play when people don't have a choice if they hear those words or not. but people have a choice, and yet they still want to shit on destiny.

this isn't basketball. it never will be. people trying to turn starcraft into something that will be shown on ESPN and watched by millions of people have their heads in the clouds. people need to realize that this is just a videogame, and that "pros" are just people really good at a videogame. people engage in this stuff to relax and unwind... the last thing we need is a tight-collar corporate mentality plaguing this community.

Ok, I'm sick of this bull shit excuse that words are just words. If you are going to say this, then why are you using "nigger" and "gook" as an insult? Because you know exactly what those words mean and where they come from. You are using them in a derogatory fashion, the same way that those words are used by a racist.

You know damn well that you are being insulting with those words. You can't sit there and say words are words and you aren't using them as a racist, when you use them to put the person down the same way racists do.


there seems to be this movement to go back to the "true" meaning of an insult, and i don't really understand why people are doing it.

and excellent example is the word fag. it recently wasn't such an insulting word. you'd call someone being a moron a fag or a faggot and they wouldn't get much offended over it. but now we have people going around trying to get people to stop it just because the origin of the word is associated with burning gays. now people flip shit when you say fag out in public simply because some people chose to make it an issue.

the word retarded. as you've seen in this thread people are shitting themselves over a mod saying it. i've seen shirts with people trying to "spread the word to end the word". it's like everyone has some fucking oppressed group they represent and they're trying to get the world to tiptoe around offending them.

you mentioned the word nigger. i don't think you realize people use the word as a catch-all insult similar to "fucker" or "faggot". within communities like destiny's, the word barely has a racial connotation. but then overly sensitive wimps will bust down the community from the outside just because they want to tie the word back to racism. it's fucking stupid.

trying to censor the world doesn't do anything. it only creates these "big bad words" that everyone knows but is forbidden to use. just get some thicker skin, let the insults flow freely, and over time this kind of shit won't get so offensive.

Let the insults flow freely? Yes, because a society where our leaders and professionals can call each other things like nigger or faggot or gook is definitely civilized and progressive! Let's also ignore the fact that there just seem to be no good insults for white, heterosexual male nerds, Destiny's lifeline of streamwatchers.
!
On May 04 2012 17:33 Ferrex wrote:
You guys make me pretty fucking sad, I bet you're all really proud of doing shit like this.

I fucking hate this community.

You're welcome to leave, close the door on the way out.



i wonder why that is. hm.

maybe people tried to use a word like "cracker" to insult white people, but white people decided getting offended over it was retarded. so it didn't stick, and now it's a shitty insult.

just think if we did that with all "bad words".

Damn, it must be nice to be a white heterosexual male!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
May 04 2012 09:02 GMT
#504
Why the fuck would you message sponsors about something like this? The player or the team yes but sponsors? I'm not saying I condone what Destiny said at all, because I don't, but some people just take stuff like that to ridiculous extremes.
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 09:04:53
May 04 2012 09:03 GMT
#505
People need to stop equating racial slurs to common swears. Nobody on TL nor from most of the sponsors will give a shit if someone says shit or fuck or asshole or any of the other vanilla curses. No one cares about them because using them only applies to whomever they're targeted at, there's no group of people in the world that has been systematically demeaned and disenfranchised by people calling them assholes. The difference with words like nigger and faggot is that using them in a derogatory fashion is meant to demean the target AND an entire group of people together with one word. That's why these words are used by "real" racists and why they're not okay for use by people who want to be taken seriously.

This freedom of speech crap needs to end, too. Nobody is denying him his right to spout stupid shit on his stream.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 04 2012 09:03 GMT
#506
On May 04 2012 18:02 BXiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:01 sinjitsu_ wrote:
When your a progamer, you take on a certain level or responsibilty, hence the "pro". If you dont want that responsibilty, dont get sponsored.


Says who ? The stable 5k viewers for Destiny disagree with you.

which is why he is no longer a pro gamer, but rather an entertainer.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
May 04 2012 09:04 GMT
#507
Esports drama, as usual. People need to grow up.
BSOD
Jebotres
Profile Joined August 2011
Croatia48 Posts
May 04 2012 09:05 GMT
#508
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
May 04 2012 09:05 GMT
#509
I once started a post to get people to send positive feedback to stride gum, to keep supporting MLG and Liquid Tyler... sigh
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 04 2012 09:06 GMT
#510
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.


EG did receive a large number of emails over Orb, if I remember correctly.

I don't condone what Idra did but I don't think he's ever used racist language AFAIK. I do think what he called Cruncher a couple of weeks back is completely unacceptable though.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 09:07:01
May 04 2012 09:06 GMT
#511
On May 04 2012 18:03 Bear4188 wrote:
People need to stop equating racial slurs to common swears. Nobody on TL nor from most of the sponsors will give a shit if someone says shit or fuck or asshole or any of the other vanilla curses. No one cares about them because using them only applies to whomever they're targeted at, there's no group of people in the world that has been systematically demeaned and disenfranchised by people calling them assholes. The difference with words like nigger and faggot is that using them in a derogatory fashion is meant to demean the target AND an entire group of people together with one word. That's why these words are used by "real" racists and why they're not okay for use by people who want to be taken seriously.


So everyone using "nigger" is OK so long that they just use it as a general insult and everyone should try to forget that "nigger" is/was actually a derogatory term for black people. So it must be particularly OK if white people just keep calling everything bad "nigger" because they aren't affecting black people at all -- if black people are offended, then they should try to UNDERSTAND that white people are not trying to be offensive and just using "nigger" as a general insult to everything and everybody. Or if you're a smart politician, you start calling things "niggardly", that seems to be cool too. Black people should really try and understand white people when they use the word "nigger", it's really bad communication and they should not actually be upset at all!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
May 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#512
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.

I'm betting most of the people that emails sponsors just want to stirr shit up, they don't care in the slightest wheter or not he actually was racist.
Absurdly
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#513
Seems like he's just not cut out for the professional side of Starcraft. Good luck to him in his streaming anyways.
TiDragOnflY
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands130 Posts
May 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#514
On May 04 2012 18:06 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.


EG did receive a large number of emails over Orb, if I remember correctly.

I don't condone what Idra did but I don't think he's ever used racist language AFAIK. I do think what he called Cruncher a couple of weeks back is completely unacceptable though.


Isnt calling someone a faggot being rasicst? * Discrimination towards sexual prefrences?
''You're guaranteed a death, but you're not guaranteed another life. Might as well see what you can make of it."
BXiT
Profile Joined March 2012
France44 Posts
May 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#515
On May 04 2012 18:03 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:02 BXiT wrote:
On May 04 2012 18:01 sinjitsu_ wrote:
When your a progamer, you take on a certain level or responsibilty, hence the "pro". If you dont want that responsibilty, dont get sponsored.


Says who ? The stable 5k viewers for Destiny disagree with you.

which is why he is no longer a pro gamer, but rather an entertainer.


An if he entertains with bad words. What is the f*** with the so said public pro responsability ?
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
May 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#516
On May 04 2012 18:06 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.


EG did receive a large number of emails over Orb, if I remember correctly.

I don't condone what Idra did but I don't think he's ever used racist language AFAIK. I do think what he called Cruncher a couple of weeks back is completely unacceptable though.

Idra has regularly and unrelentingly used the word "faggot". I've personally contacted EG's sponsors about this. Their CEO claims he has spoken to Idra about it.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 04 2012 09:08 GMT
#517
On May 04 2012 18:07 TiDragOnflY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:06 FairForever wrote:
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.


EG did receive a large number of emails over Orb, if I remember correctly.

I don't condone what Idra did but I don't think he's ever used racist language AFAIK. I do think what he called Cruncher a couple of weeks back is completely unacceptable though.


Isnt calling someone a faggot being rasicst? * Discrimination towards sexual prefrences?


Not only do you not know how to spell "racist", you clearly do not understand what racism is.

I said it was unacceptable and to me that is also something where an apology should have been issued. People make mistakes all the time in using this language. But it was Destiny's follow up that really infuriated me.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 04 2012 09:08 GMT
#518
Niggas got my brother Destiny fired. Or was it gooks? As a cisgendered, white male representative of the privileged class, I wouldn't really know about all these non-white peoples and their peculiarities.

In all seriousness though, I look forward to more from the Reddit/TL PC movement, this is endlessly entertaining. One has to wonder whether people on /r/starcraft even have time to watch or play the game at this point, with all the important drama they have to attend to. Next thing you know, we'll have youtube videos of random people defending/condemning Destiny. Oh, wait, that's what we have SotG and ItG for. Can't wait to hear Idra's opinion on this. Wonder how many angry e-mails it would take for EG to care about his ladder BM, anyway.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 04 2012 09:09 GMT
#519
On May 04 2012 18:07 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:06 FairForever wrote:
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.


EG did receive a large number of emails over Orb, if I remember correctly.

I don't condone what Idra did but I don't think he's ever used racist language AFAIK. I do think what he called Cruncher a couple of weeks back is completely unacceptable though.

Idra has regularly and unrelentingly used the word "faggot". I've personally contacted EG's sponsors about this. Their CEO claims he has spoken to Idra about it.


So you have an issue with Idra's language and not with Destiny's?

Personally I think both are terrible.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
May 04 2012 09:09 GMT
#520
On May 04 2012 18:07 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 18:05 Jebotres wrote:
I take it now all the white knights are to email EG's sponsors about the many well recorded instances of Idra's hate speech, right?

Oh no wait, the community arbitrarily decided that shit's cool.

Really sad day.

I'm betting most of the people that emails sponsors just want to stirr shit up, they don't care in the slightest wheter or not he actually was racist.


People who email sponsors don't give the least shit about racism, they just don't like Destiny. They just emailed sponsors because they finally have an excuse to try and fuck Destiny.
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