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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:17 Swift118 wrote: Im not sure who is more sad; Destiny or all the neckbeards hating on him. I do not like Destiny personally, therefore I could not care less what he has to say. Maybe some of you should get some fresh air once in a while and worry more about what you are saying and doing. Then again going after people via the internet over petty things is easier I suppose than trying to actually do something good and worthwhile. False dichotomy: you can do both. Also, there's nothing wrong with going after some low-hanging fruit. I don't care about what 'random internet player X' has to say. I do care about what the community does and doesn't tolerate. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:18 Chocobo wrote: Ah, yes, the world of grown-ups. Where it's perfectly fine to call someone an inbred autistic retarded fucking faggot, but if you use a dated racial term that many Asian people don't even feel insulted by anymore, you deserve to have white knights cry to your boss and get you fired from your job. Uhhhhhhhh, I don't know any work environment where you can call a client, customer or co-worker an inbred autistic retarded fucking faggot. Where do you work? At the 4chan restaurant? | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
On May 05 2012 22:53 Defacer wrote: From Destiny's Twitter. LOL. Somebody call a waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance. It's so unfortunate that people are too immature and shallow to appreciate his layered and sophisticated use of the words like 'gook' and 'nigger' to express himself while playing computer games in his basement apartment. His transgressive and cavalier use of the word is actually a form of ironic meta-humor that can only be appreciated by avant garde, forward-thinking individuals that are bravely fighting for a post-racial society by stripping away the taboos of language. Or maaaaaaaybe Destiny is just a self-aggrandizing, pompous douchebag that panders to the lowest common denominator of esports fans -- 14 year suburban nerds -- that still get their shits and giggles from anonymously trolling people with racial slurs on the internet. Just maybe. Anyway, I wish the dude the best of luck and hopes he finds something other then being a jackass to build his career around. People like you are sad.. Anyways, I wish you the best of luck and hopes you find something other to entertain yourself than being a jackass on a forum for kids. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:26 Defacer wrote: Uhhhhhhhh, I don't know any work environment where you can call a client, customer or co-worker an inbred autistic retarded fucking faggot. Where do you work? At the 4chan restaurant? That's the kind of language used in anger by English speaking streamers (ok, autistic might be a Destiny exclusive) and they never get in trouble for it. Destiny has used that language forever and never gotten any major complaints or discussions like this. Evidently that's acceptable language to use if you're mad after a loss, according to the community. But the morality police of the internet arbitrarily draw the line at any kind of reference to skin color, so you better not use the word "spade" or "wop" or "yellow" while you're calling someone a failed abortion. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:30 Nihilnovi wrote: People like you are sad.. Anyways, I wish you the best of luck and hopes you find something other to entertain yourself than being a jackass on a forum for kids. Hmmm ... similar phrasing ... wait a minute ... I see what you did there! You know what's sad? A thirty-something Destiny calling strangers gooks and niggers on the internet struggling to get 600 viewers an hour. That's sad. When I wish him luck, I'm being sincere. He has to offer more than just 'raging' if he wants professional gaming to be a sustainable career. Him realizing that he should exercise more self-discipline (or discretion) while streaming is probably the best thing that could happen to him. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:21 Chocobo wrote: I can answer that for you- it's side who is trying to control other people's actions. You still seem to be twisting this around. Destiny can do whatever the fuck he wants, he just has to deal with the consequences that come with it. He's in this situation because of his own behavior. There is nothing wrong with people letting Razer know that they don't like Destiny. If people tried this with a majority of players who don't spew these slurs, they'd have very little chance of actually accomplishing anything. If people tried to make Thorzain use inappropriate language and slurs by complaining to Razer that mouz.Thorzain is too vanilla, it would accomplish fuck all in terms of actually hurting Mouz and just make Razer think the community is retarded. This only worked because it was in line with Razer's views, I doubt they'd want themselves associated with racial slurs in any manner. It's that simple. You can't be put in a compromising if you're not doing something wildly inappropriate. If Destiny wants to keep his "values" and slurs then he can go ahead, but how can you complain because people don't want a major company that they may like supporting his behavior. So Destiny can't do and say whatever he wants while still getting money from Quantic and Razer. Welcome to any and every professional relationship ever. | ||
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Sm0ker
Romania27 Posts
SMART people know when to quit. he is one of them. 2 bad for some that don't sleep good at night because they don't like other players. seriously stop following and go watch/support others. the pool of players now is big so you have what to choose from. the only thing hate at this e-sport, in general, are the kids and especially those who are like "omg i'm gonna tell your mom u don't play nice".  grow a bit... it will be better for everyone. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:07 BoxingKangaroo wrote: I think that a community that cares about its game will care about fostering a welcoming and all-inclusive community. This leaves little room for racist, sexist or homophobic remarks. Take one look at this thread, or the Orb situation, and tell me this is a welcoming or all-inclusive community. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:39 Chocobo wrote: That's the kind of language used in anger by English speaking streamers (ok, autistic might be a Destiny exclusive) and they never get in trouble for it. Destiny has used that language forever and never gotten any major complaints or discussions like this. Evidently that's acceptable language to use if you're mad after a loss, according to the community. But the morality police of the internet arbitrarily draw the line at any kind of reference to skin color, so you better not use the word "spade" or "wop" or "yellow" while you're calling someone a failed abortion. Fuck man, your insults are creative. I think you're going to see more and more people complain about that kind of over-the-top verbal abuse in general, assuming SC2 continues to grow. Calling someone a failed abortion or an autistic retard is comical to the online gaming community, but is pretty much the kind of thing that alienates almost every one else in the world, and keeps it the community so insular. Let's put it this way -- I can't explain to my wife or my friends why this kind of behaviour is justifiable or 'part of the game'. I certainly wouldn't show them Destiny's stream to introduce them from Starcraft. And I can certainly understand why a potential sponsor wouldn't want to be associated with it. Scrubbing out the most obvious offensive words from the lexicon -- racial and sexual slurs -- seems like the obvious choice. Of course there is an even simpler solution that would let guys like Destiny rage all they want on their stream. If your pissed off and can't control yourself, mute your mic and rage away. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:52 Dfgj wrote: Take one look at this thread, or the Orb situation, and tell me this is a welcoming or all-inclusive community. Not sure what point you're getting at. This episode and the Orb one are steps towards enabling as many people as possible to be included in the community. If this means people like Orb and Destiny aren't included, then so be it. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:03 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Not sure what point you're getting at. This episode and the Orb one are steps towards enabling as many people as possible to be included in the community. If this means people like Orb and Destiny aren't included, then so be it. And it's causing rifts in the existing community. The scale of these overreactions is doing more to make people disgusted with the TL/Reddit communities as they are than pulling in potential new people. There aren't two huge threads about this because people are happy and agree on it. It's also shifting the focus of people away from the actual game to petty drama and anger. What kind of community do outsiders see when they look at this? Is this a community actually about Starcraft? | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:03 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Not sure what point you're getting at. This episode and the Orb one are steps towards enabling as many people as possible to be included in the community. If this means people like Orb and Destiny aren't included, then so be it. I know this community is a lot better without that language spitting out in everyone's face to watch. I can have my daughter sitting with me telling her what's going on without worrying about silly words being thrown around, It's something she should not have to hear. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:10 Utinni wrote: I know this community is a lot better without that language spitting out in everyone's face to watch. I can have my daughter sitting with me telling her what's going on without worrying about silly words being thrown around, It's something she should not have to hear. I agree with this. No problems with that point. But I think the better choice would be to not watch Destiny on his personal stream, who's known for being vulgar, with a child. Watch a professionally commentated tournament, because that's where the entire community can agree we need proper standards. Hell, if this took place during a casted tourney, I doubt there'd be any disagreement that something had to be done. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:10 Utinni wrote: I know this community is a lot better without that language spitting out in everyone's face to watch. I can have my daughter sitting with me telling her what's going on without worrying about silly words being thrown around, It's something she should not have to hear. See, I have a question about that though and we're sort of going further off topic here and back to a discussion that was had a while ago in a thread about appropriate language. Would you consider words like "Shit, Fuck, Bitch, Ass etc." to be inappropriate because I wouldn't provided they aren't used in a purely expletive manner and not as insults. For example, DJWheat's signature opening of "What's up Bitches!". Once again, this obviously depends on the event and there are a number of language safe events but in general this language doesn't bother me in any format. Though some people might consider it irrelevant, in a game where the campaign itself contains colorful language and the themes and visuals and general are at least somewhat mature I see no issue with the same colorful language while watching if it's used in a non-excessive manner. I believe this discussion in previous thread is what lead to the language ratings on Team Liquid in the first place. As for Destiny's language, this is found largely on his own stream so your daughter would likely not be exposed to such things unless you actively sought them out. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:09 Dfgj wrote: And it's causing rifts in the existing community. The scale of these overreactions is doing more to make people disgusted with the TL/Reddit communities as they are than pulling in potential new people. There aren't two huge threads about this because people are happy and agree on it. It's also shifting the focus of people away from the actual game to petty drama and anger. What kind of community do outsiders see when they look at this? Is this a community actually about Starcraft? Yeah it's causing rifts. Perhaps people are overreacting. But if the majority of people getting put out by this debate are people defending the use of racist terms as insults (which I think is the case), then I won't shed a tear if they end up leaving the community. Outsiders? They will see a community trying to stamp out immature offensive behaviour. I think that that is a positive aspect that will appeal to outsiders. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote: This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit. Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot. Free Speech doesn't mean you can go around and be a huge douchbag to everyone with zero concequences, also racist speech is prohibited in a lot of countries that aren't the USA. I can't go to detroit and call every 2nd person I meet for a year a useless nigger who needs to go back to his own country without expecting to eventually get shot/beat up/whatever. While I disagree with complaining directly to sponsors, things like this need to happen. There needs to be responsible people in charge of ESPORTS. It doesn't matter if you say things over the internet or in person, the meaning is the same and absolutely shouldn't be stood for in modern times. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:23 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Yeah it's causing rifts. Perhaps people are overreacting. But if the majority of people getting put out by this debate are people defending the use of racist terms as insults (which I think is the case), then I won't shed a tear if they end up leaving the community. Outsiders? They will see a community trying to stamp out immature offensive behaviour. I think that that is a positive aspect that will appeal to outsiders. I think the majority on the defensive here are more against the scale of the reaction because they don't find the issue a big deal, not in favor of racist terms. That's a pretty big difference. Don't simply write off people as 'oh, they like racist terms', because that's an easy way to dismiss reasonable objections. Unless people actually say that. Personally, I'd rather solidify the existing community than grab new people. If you lose your dedicated fanbase in favor of completely new people, that is not necessarily good. This event isn't going to do that, but it's not helpful. I can only speak for myself here, but I'm disgusted with the modern SC2 community. Why would I want to support it with this kind of screeching, self-righteous behavior in the name of TEH ESPORTS that flares up? I'd rather have a vulgar stream that I don't have to actually watch than an insufferable everyone-else that would discourage me participating at all. | ||
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:23 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Outsiders? They will see a community trying to stamp out immature offensive behaviour. I think that that is a positive aspect that will appeal to outsiders. Bingo. No matter how you feel about free speech and all that sorta thing, fact is: The result of this will be a more positive image in the eyes of the public. Sundance has been interviewed on television in the US, lots of players interviewed on Swedish television. Articles in plenty of news papers. Like it or not, our community is getting exposure that demands racism be stamped out. And its not going to stop. There is a lot of money to be made and people are going to make it. They won't let the humor of high school aged kids get in the way. On May 06 2012 00:29 Man with a Plan wrote: Why is Destiny so popular anyways? High school aged children who are at the phase in their lives where they feel like they have matured and come to realize a lot of things about the world. That stage right before they actually know anything, but think they know it all. | ||
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