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On May 02 2012 04:00 shrinkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:10 Primadog wrote:On May 02 2012 03:08 Swords wrote:
If you're Razer and you get these emails, do you:
a) drop your lucrative sponsorship of multiple esports teams, including Quantic who currently has an extremely popular foreigner who has broken into the Korean scene?
or
b) request Quantic drop/suspend/reprimand Destiny?
Razer is not going to damage itself over this, that'd be bad business. Contacting them is not going to kill esports. Like people have said though, this sort of behavior being picked up on by a major publication or something of that ilk will actually do terrible terrible damage. If I am Razer, I'd be much closer to (A) than (B). No reason to hang around this scene if I have to dealt with this shit on weekly basis. if you have to deal with this "shit" on a weekly basis something is inherently wrong with said community/game and is not worthy of recieving sponsorship money at this time.
Bingo. People on this site who think esports is mature enough to go mainstream need to take a long, hard look at who they associate with.
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On May 02 2012 04:00 shrinkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:10 Primadog wrote:On May 02 2012 03:08 Swords wrote:
If you're Razer and you get these emails, do you:
a) drop your lucrative sponsorship of multiple esports teams, including Quantic who currently has an extremely popular foreigner who has broken into the Korean scene?
or
b) request Quantic drop/suspend/reprimand Destiny?
Razer is not going to damage itself over this, that'd be bad business. Contacting them is not going to kill esports. Like people have said though, this sort of behavior being picked up on by a major publication or something of that ilk will actually do terrible terrible damage. If I am Razer, I'd be much closer to (A) than (B). No reason to hang around this scene if I have to dealt with this shit on weekly basis. if you have to deal with this "shit" on a weekly basis something is inherently wrong with said community/game and is not worthy of recieving sponsorship money at this time.
And from this thread and the stupid witch hunts that are created here I really do wonder why Razer haven't ditched the community yet
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On May 02 2012 03:55 IMABUNNEH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:53 Arcanefrost wrote:
You are being oversensitive. People are not in their right mind just after losing a game, and that combined with the easy and unpersonal hit-and-run possibilities of the internet will lead to unmeant insults. Normal people are perhaps not in their right mind. People who play games as a career are completely capable of maintaining themselves after a loss, or they wouldn't be in that position.
So when you see people like MKP sit in the booth and cry after a loss, they shouldn't be doing that? Destiny is expressing his displeasure in a different way. If the original poster really got offended over what some one on the internet said to him, he needs to take a step back and examine his life. The problem isn't with Destiny, it's with him.
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I also heard Destiny went to bed with a woman before wedlock!
Email the sponsors! Give this adulterous knave his due justice!
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On May 02 2012 03:59 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny? How come Destiny's career is okay? Why is orb's ruined?
When Orb was a popular caster, a random screenshot came up of him being racist. It was brought up to Orb who denied it multiple times claiming that it was a fake but in actuality was his real account. Eventually it escalated to the point where people were actively looking out for his accounts of racism and found tons of evidence. He then admitted that he was lying and stepped down.
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coming from an FPS background, one thing that drew me towards starcraft was the amount of respect players had for one another. "gl hf, gg" was something you rarely saw. This game and its community is classier then Destiny's comments and actions.
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On May 02 2012 04:00 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:58 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny? You think I supported the orb witchhunt at all? It was just another case of sad white knights having nothing better to do than to jump on someone and ruin them. The orb witchhunt was 99% people saying "black people should be offended by the word nigger, therefore I am going to join the hunt! Now where did I leave that pitchfork? And where's my torch?" Absolutely fucking ridiculous how people will do their best to fuck someone else in the ass when they really aren't affected by what happens in any way what so ever.
That may be true, but it has no bearing on the validity of Orb's firing. The "witch hunt" wasn't the one making the decisions.
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On May 01 2012 23:28 ssg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 23:26 ZenithM wrote:On May 01 2012 23:22 noax wrote:Well there are few asian in their team... i'm curious to hear their feeling towards this... especially from  Flo well we're going to see what gonna happens... to be honest i don't think it's gonna change or fired him from Quantic... think of it as a cooler and nicer IdrA... Bad comparison for the situation at hand, I don't think IdrA ever pulled racist slang words like that in his famous "IdrA rage" comments. Maybe a "French-Canadians...in general...seem a bit off." on his stream but that's about it :D Tt1 needs to make a thread on this travesty
i think your right.. ive been opressed by idrajit for far too long
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On May 02 2012 03:47 Fueled wrote:Show nested quote +I'm starting to think that NonY was right when he said we appreciate the drama more than we appreciate the game. The fact that there is always ~3,000 viewers for his stream, even though he is a low/mid-tier pro at best, is a testament to the fact that some people actually like his crude brand of humor. Let them have it. This exactly. I always thought it was funny how some of these streamers that are top tier players get less then 1k viewers. Look at Axslav for example. He isn't top tier just yet, but he's getting there. He explains exactly why he is doing things, why he lost and what exactly he is scouting/looking for and how exactly he plans on countering it. He is probably one of the more influential players out there for Protoss players. But now how many viewers does he get? I don't think I've ever seen him get over 1k viewers. Which is a shame since he is one of the better streamers out there.
People like personality, that's a fact of life.
Idra rages and Stephano is known for being arrogant, both of them enjoy huge popularity when compared to equally skilled Korean Zergs.
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On May 02 2012 04:02 Orracle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:55 IMABUNNEH wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 Arcanefrost wrote:
You are being oversensitive. People are not in their right mind just after losing a game, and that combined with the easy and unpersonal hit-and-run possibilities of the internet will lead to unmeant insults. Normal people are perhaps not in their right mind. People who play games as a career are completely capable of maintaining themselves after a loss, or they wouldn't be in that position. So when you see people like MKP sit in the booth and cry after a loss, they shouldn't be doing that? Destiny is expressing his displeasure in a different way. If the original poster really got offended over what some one on the internet said to him, he needs to take a step back and examine his life. The problem isn't with Destiny, it's with him.
You're allowed to have emotions. Being upset is fine, but taking your frustration out on other people is not.
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It's funny - you would think that people arguing for Destiny's waterboarding wouldn't need to ad hominim everyone else to prove their point. Weirdly enough, people on both sides of the debate seem equally offensive in their debate tactics.
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I'm cracking up at this sponsorship email talk. I don't watch Destiny that often, but I'll tell you what. If by small chance Destiny loses a sponsor over this exact complaint/thread, I will paypal him $100. You can QFT this, Destiny. This witch hunt is so useless.
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On May 02 2012 04:00 shrinkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:10 Primadog wrote:On May 02 2012 03:08 Swords wrote:
If you're Razer and you get these emails, do you:
a) drop your lucrative sponsorship of multiple esports teams, including Quantic who currently has an extremely popular foreigner who has broken into the Korean scene?
or
b) request Quantic drop/suspend/reprimand Destiny?
Razer is not going to damage itself over this, that'd be bad business. Contacting them is not going to kill esports. Like people have said though, this sort of behavior being picked up on by a major publication or something of that ilk will actually do terrible terrible damage. If I am Razer, I'd be much closer to (A) than (B). No reason to hang around this scene if I have to dealt with this shit on weekly basis. if you have to deal with this "shit" on a weekly basis something is inherently wrong with said community/game and is not worthy of recieving sponsorship money at this time.
Razer is in the scene because they sell gaming hardware, duh... Where else should they advertise if not here ?
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Put me in the "I don't care, that screen shot made me laugh a little" camp.
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On May 02 2012 04:03 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:00 SolHeiM wrote:On May 02 2012 03:58 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny? You think I supported the orb witchhunt at all? It was just another case of sad white knights having nothing better to do than to jump on someone and ruin them. The orb witchhunt was 99% people saying "black people should be offended by the word nigger, therefore I am going to join the hunt! Now where did I leave that pitchfork? And where's my torch?" Absolutely fucking ridiculous how people will do their best to fuck someone else in the ass when they really aren't affected by what happens in any way what so ever. That may be true, but it has no bearing on the validity of Orb's firing. The "witch hunt" wasn't the one making the decisions.
A decision was made based on the witch hunt, though. If no one had cared, orb would still be with EG.
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I really don't understand why if somebody says "hey, this is offensive, could you please stop?" the most common response from people like Destiny is "fuck you I can say what I want!" Sure, you have the right to say those things (in some countries), but if it's offending people, why would you?
Is saying things like "faggot," "gook," and "nigger" so essential to what you have to say that you can't live without these words? Is using these slurs more important to you than upsetting or offending people? Or are you being contrarian just for the sake of it?
I don't get it.
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On May 02 2012 03:55 Phantom_Sky wrote:as suggested by Boss of EV on Orb's issue before I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319018
The offending party is Destiny and he's responded quite a bit so far. And this really is one of those places I disagree with Alex/iNcontroL. If ya'll really do live and die by the same sponsors, shouldn't you be policing each other better? I mean, if Destiny's poor behavior hurts other players, why aren't they telling him to shutup? If TeamLiquid is worried about losing it's Razer sponsorship because of Destiny, why isn't TeamLiquid pressuring Destiny to behave better? Ya'll are the ones who CAN actually pressure with just your words. What do we have? Angry forum posts? Emails to teams who have already tolerated this behavior?
I really do have a hard time finding sympathy for other SC2 organizations when they had the ability to at least pressure Destiny but did nothing and then cry because Destiny's behavior is hurting their sponsorships.
And really...we're overreacting? It's 2012 and we still have issues of racism and homophobia in our ranks?! That's mind boggling! Wanting it excised immediately is hardly an overreaction.
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On May 02 2012 04:04 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 23:28 ssg wrote:On May 01 2012 23:26 ZenithM wrote:On May 01 2012 23:22 noax wrote:Well there are few asian in their team... i'm curious to hear their feeling towards this... especially from Flo well we're going to see what gonna happens... to be honest i don't think it's gonna change or fired him from Quantic... think of it as a cooler and nicer IdrA... Bad comparison for the situation at hand, I don't think IdrA ever pulled racist slang words like that in his famous "IdrA rage" comments. Maybe a "French-Canadians...in general...seem a bit off." on his stream but that's about it :D Tt1 needs to make a thread on this travesty i think your right.. ive been opressed by idrajit for far too long
do you ever feel offended when Idra points out you're french canadian?
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On May 02 2012 03:57 Arghmyliver wrote:
There is a popular adage -
Stick and stones may break my bones,
But words can never hurt me.
The moral being - shit can only bring you down if you let it.
If you WANT it to mean something horrible, then it always will. And that's a fact.
If I called you Hot Dog and you took it as an offensive term for males, you know?
You can let this shit get to you, or you can think to yourself "Gee I made him angry, SUCCESS!"
Except the words we're talking about already do mean something terrible. You don't have to take them that way, the words are being used because they're horrible slurs for a certain group of people. You can swear up and down that you don't mean it in that way, but you chose that word for a reason.
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