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On May 02 2012 03:52 babylon wrote:
I have no issue with bringing social justice issues to the table; what I'm annoyed about is people trying to pretend they actually care about social justice when all they want to do is create more drama and subject yet another community figure to a witchhunt. I highly doubt more than 10% of the people complaining in this thread about Destiny's language actually do anything outside of lambasting people on the internet to promote social justice when confronted with problems in the real world.
If you're gonna try to get Destiny fired, sure, go right ahead, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're making a "big change," especially considering the usual gaming population. Until your concern for these issues steps outside of "I'm going to make a post on the internet about it and then email the sponsors, let me feel good about myself for stamping out the use of racist slurs on a stream watched by a miniscule portion of the population, many of whom use it themselves and/or have encountered it before and have no issues with hearing it or using it in every day life and who couldn't care less if Destiny loses his team so long as he continues to stream," then ... well, I hope you see where I'm going here. What will emailing the sponsors do? Well, in one scenario, a major SC2 team loses its sponsorship and ... people still continue to use whatever words they want. In another, Destiny gets kicked and people still continue to use whatever words they want. Yet in another, nothing happens and people still continue to use whatever words they want.
QFT. I apologize if this is against rules of this forum but this post should be filled inside every page there will be.
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On May 02 2012 03:48 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:39 thatsundowner wrote:On May 02 2012 03:37 dbald27 wrote:
whine whine whine. when will people learn that getting upset at people for using slurs actually works against fighting for equal rights Holy shit dude, explain this one. Words are offensive because people use them in a degrading manner. I guess he's talking about how we need to stop considering these words degrading and consider them as any other word. I'm caucasian and I've never experienced anyone using racist remarks at me, I'm a fairly normal straight person, so I don't know how it feels to be on the receiving end of it, but I still think that a step towards equality would be to stop considering these words to be any worse than calling someone a "fucking dickwad" or something like that. Acknowledging racist slurs as just that isn't necessarily helping the society move towards equality. At least that's what I guess he's trying to say. I see some truth to it, words like "gook" and "nigger" are considered bad and mean because we acknowledge the fact that they're being used in a degrading manner towards someone due to the color of their skin. If you start considering it as just another word to describe someone's skin color or nationality and not as a degrading word, that could solve the entire issue.
I disagree. By not talking about issues, ignoring them, or pretending they're not issues, you'll never resolve any of them. They'll just continue to sit around, gaining acceptance through inaction, while the voices of those involved in or hurt by these issues will be silenced.
What Destiny, and this poster are arguing is nonsense; it's starting from an assumption that these issues are already cosmetic, that there is no history or meaning behind them, and that those who find racial epithets offensive are wimpy dinosaurs who need to man up and get with the present program. But the truth is that racism still exists, still has actual consequences, and thus so do racial epithets. What Destiny and this poster are concerned with isn't eliminating racism; I guarantee you neither think that it's a big deal or give a fuck about the issues of other people. This argument is a canard designed to create a shelter from which they can continue to live insular, privileged lives on the internet and be free from guilt, shame or responsibility from their actions.
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On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids.
How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing?
Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny?
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On May 02 2012 03:55 Phantom_Sky wrote:as suggested by Boss of EV I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319018
Destiny already posted in this thread
said he doesn't give u F
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On May 02 2012 03:51 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:50 Coated wrote:
Yea, this is all pointless. I don't have a problem with destiny. I think he adds nothing to the SC2 community and brings nothing of value to Esports overall, but there are a lot of players that I think fall into this category.
Having said that, humans are humans, people are people. We have all known destiny is a douche, but it is that reason he gets so many viewers. He is the Paris hilton/Kardasians of SC2. Why do people watch these figures? Because people like to be entertained. Even I have to admit that on occassions, Destiny's stream is hilarious. I haven't watched it in a while because I feel it degrades the mind, but the crap in the past between him and deezer was pretty funny.
Should Destiny be listed on TL? No.
Should Destiny be on a Team? No.
Should Destiny stream? Sure.
Is calling out Destiny's issues going to change anything now? No.
In fact, this post is probably only making him more popular. At this point, you could take him off TL, kick him from quantic gaming and try and shun him from the SC2 community and he would just get more viewers. If you wanted to do something, should have done it at the start. The cat is out of the bag here people, so suck it up and move along. Why do you feel he shouldn't be on a team or listed on TL?
Really? I have to explain this to you? Seriously, I'm not here to hold your hand and explain to you the intricacies of life. Go ask your mommy and daddy why public figures should maintain their behavior.
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This is par for the course for him. Are we genuinely surprised? Thats not to excuse the behavior, but anyone who has watched his stream has to expect that kind of vitrol. I watched it once and have never come back. Too much attitude and too little skill for my taste, but some people enjoy that style, I guess.
Bottom line, he's kinda the SC2 shock jock, some people aren't going to like him, so just tune out the noise.
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There is a popular adage -
Stick and stones may break my bones,
But words can never hurt me.
The moral being - shit can only bring you down if you let it.
If you WANT it to mean something horrible, then it always will. And that's a fact.
If I called you Hot Dog and you took it as an offensive term for males, you know?
You can let this shit get to you, or you can think to yourself "Gee I made him angry, SUCCESS!"
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On May 02 2012 03:52 babylon wrote:
I have no issue with bringing social justice issues to the table; what I'm annoyed about is people trying to pretend they actually care about social justice when all they want to do is create more drama and subject yet another community figure to a witchhunt. I highly doubt more than 10% of the people complaining in this thread about Destiny's language actually do anything outside of lambasting people on the internet to promote social justice when confronted with problems in the real world.
If you're gonna try to get Destiny fired, sure, go right ahead, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're making a "big change," especially considering the usual gaming population. Until your concern for these issues steps outside of "I'm going to make a post on the internet about it and then email the sponsors, let me feel good about myself for stamping out the use of racist slurs on a stream watched by a miniscule portion of the population, many of whom use it themselves and/or have encountered it before and have no issues with hearing it or using it in every day life and who couldn't care less if Destiny loses his team so long as he continues to stream," then ... well, I hope you see where I'm going here. What will emailing the sponsors do? Well, in one scenario, a major SC2 team loses its sponsorship and ... people still continue to use whatever words they want. In another, Destiny gets kicked and people still continue to use whatever words they want. Yet in another, nothing happens and people still continue to use whatever words they want.
I see a lot of people complaining that the people raising an outcry don't 'really' have the right motivations. They are merely swept up by outrage or love drama, and do not really care enough about what is wrong with racist language.
While this might be true (but really...what evidence do we have for claims about the motivations of these posters?) it does not change the fact that they are at least taking the right ACTION. That is, they may be doing the right thing, with the wrong motivation. This is a step in the direction of being a good person. As Aristotle argues, first we imitate good people and take good actions (maybe because we are forced!), and this will eventually lead to a good character.
Sure, maybe people are just emailing Quantic and/or sponsors out of momentary passion. But I am alright with this. It is a step in the right direction.
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Just stop paying attention to that mediocre NA Zerg.
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Why does everyone feel the need to start a fucking riot every time someone does something wrong.
Causing this kind of drama is not "saving ESPORTS"
I hate the standard all the orb bullshit started.
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On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids.
So calling someone a gook is completely fine, but critizicing him for doing this is wrong? Oh TL, where do you always get these kind of users?
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On May 02 2012 03:55 busbarn wrote:
Why are people immediately going to the sponsors crying? Email quantic if anyone. Don't you reddit folks understand that you're actually ruining esports with mails like that?
Of course they don't, it's Reddit.
They don't think of consequences or knock on effects, they just want to see their shit on the front page / upvoted
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On May 02 2012 03:55 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:54 Condor Hero wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? Then you really shouldn't have an opinion on a discussion about what goes on during his stream right? Nah, actually i do, cause people like this need consequences to their actions  My email to Razer is well written
I hope in your email you mentioned you never watched said stream where his offensive behavior took place?
I'm sure it would lend great weight to your noble cause.
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On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him?
nothing will be done about him, he has a big fanbase, he's a sore loser which helped him get a fanbase to begin with
just ignore him if you don't like him...
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It seems to me that people are being to sensitive in general. This small incident has gotten 75 pages of drama within a couple of hours. Are we really that thirsty for some juicy drama? Sure, words can hurt your feelings, but when you sit there watching destiny's stream with tears pouring down your chin, remember; there is always an option. it is marked with a big X (right next to a square and a line), and makes all the mean words go away. I hope YOU (mr. sensitive and ms. drama thirsty) are willing to try this button next time, and enjoy the outcome.
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On May 02 2012 03:51 Rocor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:45 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 02:35 Rocor wrote:
TO DESTINY
I have a question for you regarding your most recent racial slur... I asked you the same question during your rants about the n-word and you never answered.
when you said it (g**k), what did it mean to you ?
Why did you use that word in apparent anger?
Was there no other way to express your emotions at the time ?
Was the word used to entertain your viewers or to insult your opponent ?
- if yes, why would you think that word would be entertaining to your viewers, or insulting to your opponent ??
try to answer these questions without sounding like a bigot..
Eh, was the word that came to my mind at the time. Good enough reason for me to use it. And so why do you think that particular word came to your mind in that situation ? Please tell us that there is some thought behind the words you say. Honestly dude you have a good thing going with a great community, how can you be so stubborn ?
Get back guys, we have a bad psychiatrist over here.
I think Destiny is playing too much LOL and that's why he has this bm language :p
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On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny?
You think I supported the orb witchhunt at all? It was just another case of sad white knights having nothing better to do than to jump on someone and ruin them.
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On May 02 2012 03:56 Coated wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:51 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 03:50 Coated wrote:
Yea, this is all pointless. I don't have a problem with destiny. I think he adds nothing to the SC2 community and brings nothing of value to Esports overall, but there are a lot of players that I think fall into this category.
Having said that, humans are humans, people are people. We have all known destiny is a douche, but it is that reason he gets so many viewers. He is the Paris hilton/Kardasians of SC2. Why do people watch these figures? Because people like to be entertained. Even I have to admit that on occassions, Destiny's stream is hilarious. I haven't watched it in a while because I feel it degrades the mind, but the crap in the past between him and deezer was pretty funny.
Should Destiny be listed on TL? No.
Should Destiny be on a Team? No.
Should Destiny stream? Sure.
Is calling out Destiny's issues going to change anything now? No.
In fact, this post is probably only making him more popular. At this point, you could take him off TL, kick him from quantic gaming and try and shun him from the SC2 community and he would just get more viewers. If you wanted to do something, should have done it at the start. The cat is out of the bag here people, so suck it up and move along. Why do you feel he shouldn't be on a team or listed on TL? Really? I have to explain this to you? Seriously, I'm not here to hold your hand and explain to you the intricacies of life. Go ask your mommy and daddy why public figures should maintain their behavior.
Many public figures haven't mainted their behavior
Where's their career destroying witch hunt?
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On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny?
How come Destiny's career is okay?
Why is orb's ruined?
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On May 02 2012 03:56 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:54 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:53 sad.wish wrote:On May 02 2012 03:52 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 02 2012 03:51 sad.wish wrote:
Orb has been a personality in our community since Beta
Destiny on the other hand, has been a nuissance and its almost disrespectful to us.
Since they did a witchhunt on Orb, for 1 little thing.
I think Destiny deserves a witchhunt for his whole career....
I won't stop till something is done about this kid, finally.
A lot of us been fed up with this guy for a long time. Lol if you don't like it, don't watch. Its so simple! I don't watch, ever . LOL who said i watch him? So why do you care so much, why have you been "fed up with him for such a long time'? If someone used racist terms in RL you probably wouldn't do a damn thing, but someone says gook in a video game and suddenly you think something must be done and his career must end. Strong priorities in TL kids. How come orb's career got ruined for 1 thing? Why shouldn't this be applied to Destiny?
Probably because Reddit went after Orb, and Destiny is too popular on that site for anything to happen. It could also be that Orb denied it so much...just my guess though.
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