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Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1301
I find it ridiculous that people would contact sponsors for one player's actions. Punishing everyone on Quantic just because of him, is not the way to go. The best thing we can hope for is for Destiny to take something from this thread and understand that words have repercussions and he does not have the "free speech" he believes once he is under a team. When destiny goes under the Quantic name he is representing that team and its sponsors. If he decides to childishly act this way, the team should be the one in charge of handling this issue. We haven't even let the team react yet, and we are here trying to hit up sponsors.

If Destiny feels that he wants to act unprofessional and that his freedom to express whatever he wants is more important, then he should not have ever signed under a team.
Josketh
Profile Joined October 2011
United States155 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1302
If you cared this much about racism, stop fighting over language and actually DO something to defeat racism. Words aren't an important step. They are irrelevant. Education is the crucial step. Spreading love and understanding is an important step. Let's move in those directions rather than filling a thread full of babble that doesn't absolutely nothing in the fight against racism/bullying.
Craft naked.
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1303
On May 02 2012 03:12 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 03:10 sad.wish wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:52 parkjimo wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:45 AnalThermometer wrote:
For a start, those emailing the sponsors should take no blame. The logic that they're causing E-sports harm by informing the sponsors about the actions of someone under their banner is ass-backwards.

One day someone with influence may decide to take it beyond the scope of these forums, and then it's done for. A journalist with an influential blog on a site like Forbes might decide to one day make an entry about one of these situations which keep cropping up, because these threads certainly are popular. Would we go and post in the comments asking him to take it down because it might hurt the scene, perhaps? No, that would be retarded. Keeping it quiet and sweeping it under the rug to "protect E-sports" is not an option. Prevention is the only sensible option.

This is a warning to not take an insular view on this type of situation - I've seen posts in places not connected to SC2 who will email sponsors at the drop of a hat and have done in the past. The argument that it's just the internets will not wash with the general public, they'll see what's going on here and kill your credibility before giving you the time of day. You'll be tarred with the same brush which was used on the fighting game community recently.

You should be pointing your fingers at Destiny and other high profile players for constantly giving them reasons to do it. Destiny doesn't say it, people have no reason to send mail. You should also point fingers at the teams choosing these types of players on purpose - I would be far more suprised to see a member of Team Liquid taking part in these sort of antics that I would members of other teams because I know TL use their discretion.


Amazing, amazing post. I don't understand why people always feel the need to ignore bad things that happen. They need to be addressed and responded to accordingly.

Simply ignoring this because "IT'S DESTINY GUYS XDDDDD" is stupid. If Quantic doesn't want to do anything, which is extremely clear considering they picked him up for his abrasive personaility and since they have done nothing in the past to correct his behavior, then going to the sponsors is a must.


THIS^, 100% agree with both these guys.
Sent my complaint email in Good luck to quantic and Destishitty.


Yeah, I don't usually talk like this, but holy shit, how mad? You guys act like Quantic and Destiny owe you (the people who are complaining about his bm) something.

Why mad? your post makes no sense, I agree the post above except yours, They are doing the right thing and people like you are the one that let this keep happening, I don't see why they would be mad tbh
Deleted User 176289
Profile Joined April 2011
169 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1304
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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1305
On May 02 2012 03:14 ZackAttack wrote:
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I 100% do not. The point of my post is that we probably should censor groups like those.


This point of veiw is unlogical, hypocritical, and generally bad for all of humanity. This means that sensorship because one dissagrees is OK, and just because it was expressed by someone that sounds reasonable, doesn't mean it's anythingthing but drivel.


Do people really not understand that racism is not an opinion and it's not a "point of view?" There's no argument to be made for it. There's no logic. And people who cling to it are by definition abandoning logic. It is just plain evil.
#2throwed
Chillax
Profile Joined March 2011
England585 Posts
May 01 2012 18:16 GMT
#1306
For me there has always been a rather massive distinction between angry words exchanged over the internet (mostly in computer games) and what is said in real life.

If you take stuff spouted over the net seriously it's like walking around on eggshells. I am neither racist nor do I ultimately agree with it for the most part. But slurs in a computer game are not something to make a witch-hunt out of.

There is so much more worse stuff going in real life thats worth getting angry over compared to this.

achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1307
Destiny isn't really a progamer anymore, he's more of an entertainer and I would say he does a damn good job.
youtube.com/spooderm4n | twitch.tv/spooderm4n | Random videos and games I feel like uploading
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1308
On May 02 2012 03:12 act.hero wrote:
1. Destiny says he doesn't give a fuck about the community.
2. Destiny curses and slurs.
3. Community outrage.
4. 12 year olds think Destiny gives a fuck about them (see point 1).
5. 12 year olds make thread about how Destiny is in for a world of hurt if he doesn't clean up his ways.
6. Destiny obviously doesn't give a fuck.

7. Crying occurs.


If this is what you think is happening here, I think you are incorrect.

First, I do not think that everyone who is upset with public use of racist language is a 12 year old. If the implication is that it takes a 12 year old (or typical 12 year old characteristics) to be upset with this language, I think that is false as well. Second, I do not think that people who want to publicly decry the use of this language need to have an opinion on whether Destiny "gives a fuck about them". Whether or not he even notices the thread, the thread could still have a good effect.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1309
On May 02 2012 03:16 RaptorSC2 wrote:
Listen the fuck up, when you are emailing the sponsors, it actually hurts esports more than it does when destiny calls people faggots. Just stop, you wont "help grow esports" by doing so. It also makes you look like little crying children, who gets offended over silly things.

Can you tell me how does it affects E-sports? If the problem is only 1 player?
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1310
On May 02 2012 02:54 NoGasfOu wrote:
When Destiny was on Korean server someone told him that the most insulting thing a Korean could take is to be called "dog people". Destiny then used that phrase whole time because he realized that his usual bm words on NA ladder didn't have much effect on Korean players.

As a community, we have two options: One is to treat Starcraft as a random video game. The second is to make it as professional as possible and be proud of it. I actually don't play any other game anymore or follow any other community except Starcraft because I hoped that this community is different to others that I'd involved before moving into Starcraft.

I'm not disappointed in Destiny at all. Just disappointed in Quantic; because they're the one that makes decision whether to allow this to happen. I've always been a fan of Quantic and hope the don't fall down the path of a "personality and bm" team.


I didn't find him calling ladder players gooks offensive, just tasteless unprofessional and stupid. This, however... even though I consider myself primarily American, partly Canadian, 1/100th Korean I'm quite angry over this. Might have to reconsider the Razer I was going to buy to replace my old mouse.
sirreginold
Profile Joined September 2011
United States557 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1311
Destiny is just an immature person who has yet to grow up. I am more concerned for the esports scene ever being taken seriously where we have people like Destiny as a prominent figure.
NMHU.
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 18:19:54
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1312
On May 02 2012 03:15 act.hero wrote:
Destiny is a person. He has the right to say whatever he wants. You're allowed to be racist.

It's disgusting that people think it's okay to try to force others to act a certain way. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

If Destiny's words hurt you, don't watch his stream. He is a person playing a fucking video game. I hope he continues offending you people, because I want you to continue to be upset. You deserve not to feel good, and I'm glad Destiny exists to cause you this pain.



I don't think that I can agree more with you. Well thought post. QxGDestiny fightingggggg!
English
Profile Joined April 2010
United States475 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1313
On May 02 2012 03:10 FairForever wrote:
The hypocrisy is wanting SC2 to be mainstream while promoting and encouraging behaviour that could never be acceptable in mainstream society.


Yup, really all that needs to be said.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1314
On May 02 2012 03:15 Destiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 03:05 KristianJS wrote:
On May 02 2012 03:03 Stiluz wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:52 KristianJS wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:47 TheChostoProject wrote:
This is totally outrageous, If we want our community to grow we need to start thinking before talking/posting. We need to take special care on the selection of words we use when we want to insult/offend someone. I mean, we want them to feel bad but not too bad.

Here's a list of words we all should eliminate because some people's feelings might get hurt beyond our original intention of hurting them.

faggot - offensive to the gay community
nigger - offensive to the black community
gook - offensive to asians(?)
spic - offensive to hispanics
retarded - offensive to mentally challenged
rape - offensive to rape victims
snipe - offensive to war veterans
nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors
grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors
murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family
cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer


Also, don't do drugs and eat vegetables, ok?



The fact that you are comparing the offensiveness of the word "murdered" to people who've experienced murder in the family, with words like "faggot" and "nigger" is completely absurd. There were not millions of people enslaved and systematically abused on the basis that someone in their family had been murdered. People don't get beaten to death on account of them being a Hiroshima survivor. They do for "being a faggot".



Actually, I've lived in Japan, and study Japan as part of my studies. Nuclear survivors from Hiroshima and Nagasaki are systematically discriminated in Japan, and talking about nukes as something casually, is absolutely not taken lightly in regards to people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. His points can be said to be valid, especially about nukes. I don't agree with the motion of "being offended" by specific words myself.



Oh, really? That's enlightening, thanks.

The main point however is that words like "faggot" and "nigger" and "gook" are derogatory BY DEFINITION. Words like "nuke" or "murder" are neutral without context.

How can you even fucking say this when words like "faggot" and "gay" existed far before they were used to reference homosexuality?

Do you even read the dribble you type here?


What he said. And 'nigger' wasn't derogatory when it was first used.
EG-TL!
Toastie
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands104 Posts
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1315
On May 02 2012 03:15 Sphen5117 wrote:
I'm going to email his sponsors to say that I buy their products because they sponsor Destiny. Destiny is very intelligent, his stream is both educational and entertaining, and I know my money goes to support a man who is doing his best to support his son in what I can only imagine is a difficult situation.

lollolololololololol

Educational? I guess it expands your vocabulary? Whether that is positive is another manner.
Never give up, never surrender!
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 18:18:56
May 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#1316
What are the odds on these guys contacting sponsors will be the same people crying when "esports" dies because sponsors will no longer want to sponsor teams, players or tournaments etc. anymore?
ChristianGamer
Profile Joined May 2012
1 Post
May 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#1317
Is it a coincidence that this has come from an atheistic scumbag with no morals? This is where atheism ends people, disgusting racism covered with "I can do what I want" ideology.

You are a disgusting sinner in the eyes of god Steven "Destiny" Bonnell. I hope you sleep every night knowing you are first in line for a spot in hell you sack of shit.

User was banned for this post.
Destiny
Profile Joined May 2009
United States280 Posts
May 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#1318
On May 02 2012 03:12 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 02:49 ThomasHobbes wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:43 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:42 Gunter wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:40 Pulimuli wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:36 latan wrote:
How dare Destiny do something with his free will and free speech that doesn't harm anyone and might offend someone that's not even me?


you have no idea what freedom of speech means do you?

It does not mean you can go around calling people faggots and niggers left and right

yes it does


No it doesn't. You're not allowed to use speech to marginalize others. Freedom of Speech is to protect well formed arguments and ideas, it has no obligation to give a platform to nonsensical hatred and bigotry.


I thought you were going to make a sensible point, then I was disappointed.

Freedom of Speech actually does protect hate speech, it just doesn't protect individuals from facing social repercussion for what they say. If nobody wants to employ someone who uses racial slurs, that man just won't be employed.


It absolutely does NOT protect hate speech. In fact hate speech is a very clearly delineated exemption to that protection. I feel like there are a lot of people who didn't actually watch that video that JoJo linked.

1. It will give you a good 5 minute break from the thread which everyone probably needs.
2. It is very well thought out.


Really? It's 2012 and there are still people with ideas like this?

FYI, popular/kind speech doesn't need rules to protect it. That's ridiculous thinking. Popular speech protects itself by simply being the speech of the majority. "Freedom of speech laws" are made to protect unpopular speech.
To achieve perfection is to sacrifice growth.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#1319
On May 02 2012 03:12 floor exercise wrote:
so to recap if Razer hypothetically stopped sponsoring people over this:

It would be the fault of the people who contacted them, not the fault of Destiny for ruining it for others with his actions.

And if they took an active interest in SC2 and saw this thread, instead of being alerted about it, who's fault is it then?


Sponsors doesn't really care about the player or the team or the game, and they don't take an active interest in what's going on TL. Shit like this has to be solved in-house, without bothering outside forces like sponsors (you don't lecture your kids by calling the cops daily). Bug the sponsors long enough and you risk having Razer and Monster and the others start thinking that the StarCraft 2 scene is not worth wasting time over.

Frankly, this is more reflective of how immature this fanbase is, than destiny is in particular.

Why does it takes a Reddit/TL lynching campaign to get you writing to a sponsor? Why don't you have time to write something nice to the sponsors before?
Thank God and gunrun.
teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
May 01 2012 18:18 GMT
#1320
IF quantic and Destiny don't want us to punish them by emailing razer, then they should of use their heads before signing Destiny. I would be glad to send an email a week, till Destiny is suited an appropriate punishment.
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