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On May 02 2012 07:55 p1cKLes wrote:
115 Pages of nonsense. Make your decision. You either love him or hate him, but I don’t think we need to sit here and debate it to death. Everyone seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is a huge difference between what Orb did and what Destiny did. There’s also a difference between caster and gamer. Destiny isn’t trying to be anything except himself. He’s stated it, he's explained it, he's made it clear. His motto is… “I am who I am, like me or don’t.” So like I said, make your decision. If you like him support him. If you don’t, move on. It’s that easy.
Being yourself is in no way a free pass to do whatever you want.
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On May 02 2012 07:55 Vysage wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:54 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. as long as people are of different nationalities (forever), insulting them based on their nationalities will be... INSULTING! that's right! why are you even arguing in here? if none of these words makes you feel any way whatsoever, why are you still talking to us? just divorce yourself from it man! it's just words right? just ignore them and take away their meaning! what you're saying is nonsensical, I'm sorry. it's silly. Because these witch hunts hurt esports. I'd wish it would stop. Even if I have to get nonsensical about it. Maybe it'll catch on, I dunno. This shit is stupid.
My guess, and this might be crazy
if destiny stops using racist and homophobic language
people will stop periodically getting up in arms about him using racist and homophobic language
just a thought. THAT is the way to hope that this stops, not that words suddenly lose all meaning for all people.
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On May 02 2012 07:56 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them?
The first step is breaking that connection. It would naturally evolve into where people will stop using the words because they are no longer effective in expressing what they want.
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On May 02 2012 00:19 lorkac wrote:
Is he intentionally racist? Probably not.
Is he institutionally racist? Yes.
The difference? He says racist things because he lives in a culture that is okay with saying those things aloud--it isn't with malicious intent that he says those things.
Is it still a problem? Yes.
Is the problem with Destiny? No--the problem is with the community he is in.
What community is that? American gamers.
How do you fix American gamers? Fix america.
That sounds stupid. Because it is.
really well said
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On May 02 2012 07:54 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:51 GreenFaction wrote:On May 02 2012 07:44 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:41 GreenFaction wrote:On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth. I'm not sure what you mean. Can I not make philosophical claims? If not me, who can? Let me be clear: I am not arguing the proposition "no one has a right to express themselves in racist language" is true in virtue of my saying it, I am arguing it is true simpliciter. Obviously the topics themselves "go beyond" what I think, since the topics include thousands of opinions, scholarly publications, philosophers, possible opinions, and whatever else it takes to be a "topic". If you think my claim is wrong, then I would be interested to hear your counterargument, and maybe you can convince me destiny has a moral right to use racist language. The reason I posted my original argument is because I suspect that much of the attempts to justify destiny's behavior depend on the equivocation I disambiguated between political and moral rights. I would be willing to bet destiny's own rationalizations of his behavior involve a similar confusion. You're posting in a thread about what Destiny does, how he defends his actions and so on. You're among hundreds of people who all have differing opinions, and dictating "what we can all agree on", as well as implicitly taking certain definitions for things like "moral right." At the end of the day, Destiny himself has already addressed many of the arguments against him (including your original one), but the goal seems to be to debate everyone but Destiny in this thread (because it's a witch-hunt)...and to do it using the same level of argument found in presidential debates on TV that have been known to cause brain cancer. I'm not obligated to provide a counterargument to yours, but I can still say that you're not helping my mental image of gamers as pseudo-intellectual blowhards. Again I would appreciate some kind of counterargument here. What is your definition of "moral right"? Do we really need to settle this issue to appreciate that what he said and did was wrong? Maybe your right that instead of saying "what we can all agree on" I should of said, "what is true". If that helps you to understand what I was saying, then just replace the former comment by the latter. So...counterargument? Why does destiny have a moral right (however you define it) to use racist language? I didn't say he has a moral right to use racist language, and I won't. I'm not sure if he does, or what a moral right is, or what 'racist language' is either. Because I'm not sure "what is true" like you seem to be. I understand perfectly what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense and it's intellectually dishonest. Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:54 freetgy wrote:On May 02 2012 07:49 yeastiality wrote:
though, the people posting in this thread are not the customer paying Destiny OR his boss...but they sure think they are. i bought quite alot of razer products... Do you pay your taxes? You killed thousands of brown people for heroin and crude oil last year too. Or did you?
how has that anything do to with your previous post?
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On May 02 2012 06:59 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:56 Jamial wrote:On May 02 2012 06:53 knOxStarcraft wrote:
You people can argue all you want, point is, he doesn't give a fuck and neither should you. What is going to give this community a bad name is all this fucking stupid drama that people love to start and argue about. Leave this issue to his team and if you're so fucking offended by destiny typing gook into the sc2 chat bar then go bury your head in the sand and don't watch his stream. Can this thread be closed now? This post pretty much sums up all my thoughts on this. I've said it in all these threads: Words don't matter, context and meaning matters. Stop flaming anyone who says one word you don't like. that's just a childish excuse that people think is clever. context and meaning doesn't matter when you're using words that are socially unacceptable for the point of insult Show nested quote +this sums up 98% of the communities opinion. it's just the small margin who are being vocal, notice the repeat posters on every second page no, it just sums up the opinion of the portion of the community that will grasp at any straw to justify its opinion that aggressive childish behavior is okay. let's just make up statistics!
The words are not socially unacceptable to anyone who is mature enough to see that they're just words. The fact that you find them socially inacceptable, doesn't mean I should, or should keep me from using them. I don't personally use them, but it has nothing to do with whether or not they're acceptable.
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On May 02 2012 06:36 TarquinJohnson wrote:
e-Sports will not have any credibilty if this sort of thing is deemed acceptable. How many other sports around the world let people use racial slurs when they lose?
A soccer player here in the UK is about to be put on trial for racially abusing an opponent.
Throwing someone in jail for using a racial slur doesn't mean you're more progressive. That's a completely fallacious train of thought. Being more punitive doesn't mean you care more or are a better country dealing with discrimination.
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On May 02 2012 07:57 Vysage wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:56 MayorITC wrote:On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them? The first step is breaking that connection. It would naturally evolve into where people will stop using the words because they are no longer effective in expressing what they want.
so rather than have people stop using this language, you want people who are offended by it to stop being offended
rather than having people simply use different language when they get angry at a video game, you'd ask black people to please forget the entire history of the word nigger and disassociate it from any negative meaning it has for them.
unreal.
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On May 02 2012 07:57 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:55 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:54 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. as long as people are of different nationalities (forever), insulting them based on their nationalities will be... INSULTING! that's right! why are you even arguing in here? if none of these words makes you feel any way whatsoever, why are you still talking to us? just divorce yourself from it man! it's just words right? just ignore them and take away their meaning! what you're saying is nonsensical, I'm sorry. it's silly. Because these witch hunts hurt esports. I'd wish it would stop. Even if I have to get nonsensical about it. Maybe it'll catch on, I dunno. This shit is stupid. My guess, and this might be crazy if destiny stops using racist and homophobic language people will stop periodically getting up in arms about him using racist and homophobic language just a thought. THAT is the way to hope that this stops, not that words suddenly lose all meaning for all people.
I think it should go both ways to be honest. More productive that way.
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On May 02 2012 05:27 Arghmyliver wrote:
People actually think Destiny is a bigot?
Are you guys serious?
Here are some bigots -
Adolf Hitler
Saddam Hussein
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Destiny is not a bigot.
Haha, that's my line. Are you serious?
So basically you have to commit genocide to be considered a bigot?
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
(Merriam-Webster)
Can you tell me where you get your definition for a bigot from? I would love to see that dictionary.
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On May 02 2012 07:56 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:55 p1cKLes wrote:
115 Pages of nonsense. Make your decision. You either love him or hate him, but I don’t think we need to sit here and debate it to death. Everyone seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is a huge difference between what Orb did and what Destiny did. There’s also a difference between caster and gamer. Destiny isn’t trying to be anything except himself. He’s stated it, he's explained it, he's made it clear. His motto is… “I am who I am, like me or don’t.” So like I said, make your decision. If you like him support him. If you don’t, move on. It’s that easy. Being yourself is in no way a free pass to do whatever you want. Nor did I say that. What I said was, support him or don't. Compare what he does with your value system and make a decision. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and I am pretty sure Destiny knows that. Now the ball is in your court, what are you going do? Support him? If yes, continue to watch his stream and let Quantic know. If no, then don't watch his stream and let Quantic know.
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On May 02 2012 07:59 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:57 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:56 MayorITC wrote:On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them? The first step is breaking that connection. It would naturally evolve into where people will stop using the words because they are no longer effective in expressing what they want. so rather than have people stop using this language, you want people who are offended by it to stop being offended rather than having people simply use different language when they get angry at a video game, you'd ask black people to please forget the entire history of the word nigger and disassociate it from any negative meaning it has for them. unreal.
It's only unreal if people don't act on it.
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On May 02 2012 08:00 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:27 Arghmyliver wrote:
People actually think Destiny is a bigot?
Are you guys serious?
Here are some bigots -
Adolf Hitler
Saddam Hussein
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Destiny is not a bigot. Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance (Merriam-Webster)
If we go by that definition, everyone who posts on a forum as a mouthpiece and has never had their mind changed by another poster is a bigot. So they can have the same useless label as Destiny, and then we can get back to discussing the actual issue, right?
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On May 02 2012 07:59 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:59 DeepElemBlues wrote:On May 02 2012 06:56 Jamial wrote:On May 02 2012 06:53 knOxStarcraft wrote:
You people can argue all you want, point is, he doesn't give a fuck and neither should you. What is going to give this community a bad name is all this fucking stupid drama that people love to start and argue about. Leave this issue to his team and if you're so fucking offended by destiny typing gook into the sc2 chat bar then go bury your head in the sand and don't watch his stream. Can this thread be closed now? This post pretty much sums up all my thoughts on this. I've said it in all these threads: Words don't matter, context and meaning matters. Stop flaming anyone who says one word you don't like. that's just a childish excuse that people think is clever. context and meaning doesn't matter when you're using words that are socially unacceptable for the point of insult this sums up 98% of the communities opinion. it's just the small margin who are being vocal, notice the repeat posters on every second page no, it just sums up the opinion of the portion of the community that will grasp at any straw to justify its opinion that aggressive childish behavior is okay. let's just make up statistics! The words are not socially unacceptable to anyone who is mature enough to see that they're just words. The fact that you find them socially inacceptable, doesn't mean I should, or should keep me from using them. I don't personally use them, but it has nothing to do with whether or not they're acceptable.
The sticks and stones argument for convincing people you're mature? How about the maturity to understand that you can't just go around throwing a racial slur in the face of everybody who ever pissed you off? Or how about the maturity to not say the first thing that comes to mind in a fit of nerd rage?
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On May 02 2012 08:02 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 08:00 MayorITC wrote:On May 02 2012 05:27 Arghmyliver wrote:
People actually think Destiny is a bigot?
Are you guys serious?
Here are some bigots -
Adolf Hitler
Saddam Hussein
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Destiny is not a bigot. Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance (Merriam-Webster) If we go by that definition, everyone who posts on a forum as a mouthpiece and has never had their mind changed by another poster is a bigot. So they can have the same useless label as Destiny, and then we can get back to discussing the actual issue, right?
It makes it sound like being stubborn is being a bigot : /
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On May 02 2012 07:58 firebathero1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:19 lorkac wrote:
Is he intentionally racist? Probably not.
Is he institutionally racist? Yes.
The difference? He says racist things because he lives in a culture that is okay with saying those things aloud--it isn't with malicious intent that he says those things.
Is it still a problem? Yes.
Is the problem with Destiny? No--the problem is with the community he is in.
What community is that? American gamers.
How do you fix American gamers? Fix america.
That sounds stupid. Because it is. really well said
Quoting this with hope it's seen again.
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On May 02 2012 08:01 Vysage wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:59 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:57 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:56 MayorITC wrote:On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:
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These words still having meaning.
Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them? The first step is breaking that connection. It would naturally evolve into where people will stop using the words because they are no longer effective in expressing what they want. so rather than have people stop using this language, you want people who are offended by it to stop being offended rather than having people simply use different language when they get angry at a video game, you'd ask black people to please forget the entire history of the word nigger and disassociate it from any negative meaning it has for them. unreal. It's only unreal if people don't act on it.
I think you're just being really naive. I appreciate the back and forth we had, usually the samae person won't keep replying. but I think you just don't want to see the simplicity of the situation and the facts of the weight these words carry.
you are also basically blaming the offended for being offended when changing word use is so unbelievably easy. much easier than somehow ignoring the entire history of language/slurs.
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I'm just going to say that usually, when a person precedes separates a clause with a comma, that means, he's taking a breath, thinking about what he's going to say next.
I think the word gook was chosen carefully and deliberately.
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On May 02 2012 07:56 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:40 Vari wrote:On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it. sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy. Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them?
Religions have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between religions and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them?
Genitalia have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between their genitalia and its historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to have people stop using them?
Geography has been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between geography and its historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using it?
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