EPTRacial Slurs in QuanticDestiny's Stream - Page 115
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:42 Vysage wrote: Don't know why you have to get childish about it. The topic of discussion is racial slurs; no where did I say anything about words in general. It makes perfect sense words have an innate meaning whether you think they do or not. Going to work and yelling GOOK NIGGER FAG means you just lose your job... You don't get to say well I personally believe that these words actually mean "Hello sir could I help you with anything today?" It only matters what the person paying you thinks. What your boss thinks is heavily heavily influenced by the customer who is paying him. Destiny's job is a professional gamer he gets paid by people watching him. Imo he can say whatever he want's but his sponsors probably don't want to be associated with that. | ||
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ClanWISH
Canada21 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:48 freetgy wrote: its not the one sending an e-mail to razer that is hurting e-sports... The one causing the issue is Destiny and Quantic for letting him be how he is and in their team and thus effecting other Progamers indirectly. Exactly, and for signing him, they should suffer with the emails we are sending to Razer  | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:47 Bananafish wrote: White people are so privileged and allowed so many things that when you tell them "Please don't use this word, it's fucking atrocious and bigoted and hurts a lot" they go into full defensive mode. They're so blinded by their white privilege they cannot even imagine something being off limits or maybe putting the slightest amount of effort into watching their language ( MY FREE SPEECH!!@!!) Honestly, how are you still able to post like this after pages upon pages? If you have real life experience with racism, share your enlightened perspective. If you don't have an enlightened perspective, go get one. This debate will still be going on somewhere by the time you return. On May 02 2012 07:49 tokicheese wrote: What your boss thinks is heavily heavily influenced by the customer who is paying him. Destiny's job is a professional gamer he gets paid by people watching him. Right, and this debate has come up several times before. Razer and Quantic are still associated with Destiny through that. Some people have said that this points to Razer and Quantic supporting their believed racist behaviour. Ultimately, though, the people posting in this thread are not the customer paying Destiny OR his boss...but they sure think they are. | ||
Bananafish
30 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:48 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: This is Destiny. If you are in any way, shape or form surprised by this, I am astounded. The fact that this is common enough for shit like this to even be said is embarrassing and pathetic and not even an excuse in the slightest so feel free to get fucked | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
hahahahahahahahahahaaha very good, very relevant | ||
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HoCRonin
Denmark23 Posts
If you are earnestly offended and takes it as a personal attack, beforehand you could try to pm or email the person, before making an unnecessary scene. Would be a shame if Destiny quits because he has a stream with music that does not make my stomach turn. For a lot of people what kind of music they listen to can be a deal breaker. Attacking him personally in public says a few things about your character. I do not personally watch the stream for what he has to say or the verbal interactions, but the gameplay. Its clear this particular discussion is people getting mired in their own point of view not respecting each other. Whatever your view you should atleast tolerate others, you do not have to respect them. Posting one liners or derailing is disrespectful to the forum and makes it cluttered. | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:39 Rekrul wrote: relevant: LOL I'm going to have to keep a Louis C.K. reference count in this thread. I'm pretty sure he has been referenced by both sides at least 3 or 4 times. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
"fucking idiot" gets the point across without insulting someone's gender/race/whatever. just be more tolerant | ||
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GreenFaction
United States82 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:44 yeastiality wrote: You're posting in a thread about what Destiny does, how he defends his actions and so on. You're among hundreds of people who all have differing opinions, and dictating "what we can all agree on", as well as implicitly taking certain definitions for things like "moral right." At the end of the day, Destiny himself has already addressed many of the arguments against him (including your original one), but the goal seems to be to debate everyone but Destiny in this thread (because it's a witch-hunt)...and to do it using the same level of argument found in presidential debates on TV that have been known to cause brain cancer. I'm not obligated to provide a counterargument to yours, but I can still say that you're not helping my mental image of gamers as pseudo-intellectual blowhards. Again I would appreciate some kind of counterargument here. What is your definition of "moral right"? Do we really need to settle this issue to appreciate that what he said and did was wrong? Maybe your right that instead of saying "what we can all agree on" I should of said, "what is true". If that helps you to understand what I was saying, then just replace the former comment by the latter. So...counterargument? Why does destiny have a moral right (however you define it) to use racist language? | ||
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Vysage
United States117 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:47 Vari wrote: "they only have meaning if you give them meaning" you wanted me to only apply that to racial slurs? that seems really convenient don't you think? words have socially accepted meaning (unless you want to say they don't, at all). you live in a society. deal with it. ESPECIALLY deal with it when you earn money off of people watching you play starcraft in this society. folks are gonna react, folks are gonna believe things based off the language you choose to use. if you don't want them to say "hey destiny sure SOUNDS like a racist" maybe... don't use racial slurs? Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:49 yeastiality wrote: though, the people posting in this thread are not the customer paying Destiny OR his boss...but they sure think they are. i bought quite alot of razer products... | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote: Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. as long as people are of different nationalities (forever), insulting them based on their nationalities will be... INSULTING! that's right! why are you even arguing in here? if none of these words makes you feel any way whatsoever, why are you still talking to us? just divorce yourself from it man! it's just words right? just ignore them and take away their meaning! what you're saying is nonsensical, I'm sorry. it's silly. edit - why not move to a society where people just don't use these words? since their ENTIRE POINT is that they are so offensive? destiny used the word to offend the guy he was pissed at. so how about we just stop using these words? isn't that a little easier than trying to strip all words of their meaning? | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:51 GreenFaction wrote: Again I would appreciate some kind of counterargument here. What is your definition of "moral right"? Do we really need to settle this issue to appreciate that what he said and did was wrong? Maybe your right that instead of saying "what we can all agree on" I should of said, "what is true". If that helps you to understand what I was saying, then just replace the former comment by the latter. So...counterargument? Why does destiny have a moral right (however you define it) to use racist language? I didn't say he has a moral right to use racist language, and I won't. I'm not sure if he does, or what a moral right is, or what 'racist language' is either. Because I'm not sure "what is true" like you seem to be. I understand perfectly what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense and it's intellectually dishonest. Do you pay your taxes? You killed thousands of brown people for heroin and crude oil last year too. Or did you? | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
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Vysage
United States117 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:54 Vari wrote: as long as people are of different nationalities (forever), insulting them based on their nationalities will be... INSULTING! that's right! why are you even arguing in here? if none of these words makes you feel any way whatsoever, why are you still talking to us? just divorce yourself from it man! it's just words right? just ignore them and take away their meaning! what you're saying is nonsensical, I'm sorry. it's silly. Because these witch hunts hurt esports. I'd wish it would stop. Even if I have to get nonsensical about it. Maybe it'll catch on, I dunno. This shit is stupid. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:43 tokicheese wrote: He's not as bad as hitler so he is not a bigot...? Some of the arguments here are so bad trying to defend Destiny. Maybe he isn't the worst out there but he is spewing out hateful things. He's not going to incite a cultural revolution and change race relations by acting like a angsty teenager on the internet. So if your not offended good for you. What does matter is what people see looking in. If your some random guy off the street and he sees a huge figure in SC2 acting out like a teenager and spewing shit out of his mouth he will not stick around. Or the CEOs who see this and don't want to risk their money on the scene or the mom's out there. This kind of stuff is nothing new from Destiny. He is pretty much the perfect stereotypical angry nerd who talks tons of shit from behind the safety of his keyboard. I guess you can't blame him he's not even anything special he hasn't even won any big tournaments or even gotten far in one if IIRC. He's just famous for being a "online bad boy" even though that is probably the biggest oxymoron ever.... Even his shitty attempts at trolling the thread are childish LOLOLOL BUTTHURT FORM XDDDDD. Like someone posted before if a serious reporter happened to report on the drama going on here sponsorship will evaporate. Razor/Steelseries/Intel/AMD and other PC gaming companies will stick around somewhat because this is their market so obviously they will want to get out there but LoL has a way bigger player base so more people see the ad's and stupid shit like this does not happen and drag the community through the mud every 2 weeks. What is keeping these companies around? Is Sc2 even that special? Will it last aslong as BW? Really big companies such as Coke/Pepsi won't want to get engaged in the market when it is a big risk. It makes every one look bad and allowing shit like this is what is keeping SC2 from ever going mainstream. You can be as much of an asshole as you want if your a shitty player and can only get views by bm but why drag racial slurs into it is what I don't understand. So the media should sensationalize the issue because that helps exactly how? I don't fucking care what anyone calls you, you're still a goddamn person and I will treat you like any other person. Words don't hurt people, people do. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:51 Vysage wrote: Dude the point is that we should try to move society to where these words don't offend people. We could stop so many problems if this gets initiated. Instead of explaining the obvious, work on shifting society towards those beliefs. I already live this way. If it's that easy for me to completely remove any offensive meaning from a word I hear or see, I can't see how it'd be so difficult for everyone else to. Just do it guys. Enjoy the shit that you watch and stop worrying about little things like this. Just curious, but why can't we try to move society to a point where we don't use those words? Racial slurs have been historically tainted in hate and prejudice. Instead of asking people to break the connection between words and their historical past, wouldn't it make more sense to ask people to stop using them? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
This being said, this isn't anything new for Destiny, though I do agree we need to condemn the use of the word I don't want to condemn the player. Similarly, Destiny himself doesn't care so its not as though this thread will really accomplish anything. Quantic hired him knowing full well who Destiny is as well. In the end this thread is just trying to pull out more pitchforks and stir up more drama. Also, I think everyone needs to calm down and stop worrying about the issue in the following way: This thread isn't here to debate the moral, ethical, or sociological reasons behind saying or not saying certain words. Its about Destiny's use of words that are considered to be racial slurs. So the debate can't really devolve into posters bashing eachother because its just off topic and its going to do nothing but make everyone more mad at eachother. | ||
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