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Another intent argument. It's funny when ya'll say things like "we know" because it's this weird agreement amongst a lot of the white people here about what they agree racism is. It's not up to the people offended (or god forbid actual fucking people of color) to decide what offends them and who is a racist, we need all the whites to tell everyone what racism really is!
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On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth.
Why Destiny is he some kind of expert on Morality and Politics?_?
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They are the most intelligent and impartial, you see
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How did this get to 113 pages so fast LOL... Classic TL moments.
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On May 02 2012 07:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, 112 pages? Really community?
Yeah, I've been refreshing and reading this stupidity the past hour or so. It's really sad. But hey, people need to get their kicks one way or another. And since there hasn't been much news on TL lately, the community decided to make their own news.
Also, I've never been a part of a community that has been so hard pressed on killing each other left and right with those shiny pitch forks. So it's a tad bit of a /facepalm for me.
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On May 02 2012 07:36 Bananafish wrote:
Another intent argument. It's funny when ya'll say things like "we know" because it's this weird agreement amongst a lot of the white people here about what they agree racism is. It's not up to the people offended (or god forbid actual fucking people of color) to decide what offends them and who is a racist, we need all the whites to tell everyone what racism really is!
anyone of any color can tell you what racist language is.
I'm straight and I can tell you that calling people a faggot when you're upset that they beat you is homophobic language.
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On May 02 2012 07:36 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth. Why Destiny is he some kind of expert on Morality and Politics?_?
"Don't be a fucking bigot, especially daily in front of thousands of people" doesn't require a goddamn PhD to understand
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We should get Destiny to do a series on racial and cultural equality and diversity 
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On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore.
Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it.
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On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured. i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch. Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe User was warned for this post
And why do you feel the need to use a curse word in every sentence I consider that worse than destinys choice of adjective towards terrans or other people, it's all open for debate on this matter so again if you don't like it don
t watch and listen.
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On May 02 2012 07:36 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth. Why Destiny is he some kind of expert on Morality and Politics?_?
Well, everyone posting in this thread thinks they are, and just like every other forum about video games it's really embarrassing. Everyone is prepared to tell Destiny how he should behave, and tell everyone arguing with that how they should think, but very few are prepared to actually debate someone in this thread without the prejudice that they're a racist idiot for disagreeing (or agreeing with Destiny's position).
Anyone who tells me "we can all agree X", or who cares "what Destiny is" is not an expert on anything that passes for real debate.
Regardless of what the outcome is here, it's clear again that a great many people have no business discussing these things (and aren't putting in much effort). If a bunch of thoughtless bandwagoning puts Destiny out of a job, I'll be a little bit saddened (~NOT RACIST~)
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On May 02 2012 07:28 Bananafish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:22 ThomasHobbes wrote:On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured. i expect that you will not get what you are expecting. do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch. Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe From context it doesn't even seem like the OP was Korean, the OP just bm'd Destiny and got rage in return. There's a huge difference between using slurs and being a racist. No. There isn't. If you're using racist slurs against people you are a fucking racist. How much of this fucking thread is white people making arguments about intent as though a person of color, or minority, or Korean GIVES A FUCK how he meant it, why is everyone falling over themselves to view this only from the perspective of a white male (it is because the vast majority of you are white males and this the only goddamn thing you can relate to, you are so broken you cannot even fathom people having different lives or experiences than the one you've had). Even if Steven called someone who wasn't a korean that word that doesn't make it a not racist word and it doesn't mean he wasn't clearly using it in a bigoted way.
Yes, a great number of people care a great deal about intent. Intent is what makes words meaningful in the first place, I have no idea where you get off thinking vocabulary has some sort of objective force all its own.
You are a bigot who just referred to every white male in this thread as a "broken" person who "cannot even fathom people...", you need to seriously re-evaluate your own life and examine the unjustified hatred you clearly feel against an ethnicity you may or may not belong to.
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On May 02 2012 07:38 Bananafish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:36 windsupernova wrote:On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth. Why Destiny is he some kind of expert on Morality and Politics?_? "Don't be a fucking bigot, especially daily in front of thousands of people" doesn't require a goddamn PhD to understand
Hey look what I found!
On January 04 2012 14:07 Bananafish wrote:
You're a fucking stupid misogynist piece of shit but so is Steven, his fans, and videogamers in general. Get fucked
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 02 2012 07:39 Vysage wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:34 Fueled wrote:It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. These words still having meaning. Even though some of these words are used differently now in some cases, it doesn't mean that they aren't used for hate anymore. Here's the thing. They only have meaning if you let them have meaning. So don't let them have meaning, and don't attract it by making a thread about it.
sorry I can't read this post I'm not letting any of these words have meaning
I guess that means they don't and you're just posting gibberish. weird strategy.
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On May 02 2012 07:38 Bananafish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:36 windsupernova wrote:On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth. Why Destiny is he some kind of expert on Morality and Politics?_? "Don't be a fucking bigot, especially daily in front of thousands of people" doesn't require a goddamn PhD to understand
I dunno man, those posts on the first few pages seem to suggest otherwise
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On May 02 2012 07:34 Bananafish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:33 ReaperCo wrote:On May 02 2012 07:22 Nokshalees wrote:On May 02 2012 07:10 dsousa wrote:On May 02 2012 07:08 Psychobabas wrote:
here we go again...
bring the pitchforks!!!
except this time it won't work vs Destiny... Exactly, it won't work, and next time the pitchforks won't scare anyone. And then everyone would just spout racial slurs Thats where your wrong i dont use racial slurs becouse im afriad of anything i dont use them becouse i dont like to use them, thats how it should be. Same with a political debate you should be allowed to debate anyone even Adolf hitler and then prove him wrong. We cant lie becouse then whats the point of humanity, if we live in a lie. And we are not living in Communist/Gestapo land. That have nothing to do with sc2 but think about it. He should be allowed to say it and take consiquenses for it. We know hes not a racist so maybe what he says donst mean that much right. Jesus I hate this community
The difference is i don't give a fuck and i don't whine
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On May 02 2012 07:38 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:36 Bananafish wrote:
Another intent argument. It's funny when ya'll say things like "we know" because it's this weird agreement amongst a lot of the white people here about what they agree racism is. It's not up to the people offended (or god forbid actual fucking people of color) to decide what offends them and who is a racist, we need all the whites to tell everyone what racism really is! anyone of any color can tell you what racist language is. I'm straight and I can tell you that calling people a faggot when you're upset that they beat you is homophobic language.
Okay but do you understand how a person who has lived with racism and who has a lifetime of experiencing subtle and overt racism all their lives might be more of an expert on what is racist than some white nerd who posts on insular internet forums. Or a gay person & etc
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
I am loling so much now. This thread and all the posts made so much advertising for Destiny...
You may think - who cares? It turnes out that a fucking lot of people cares about it.
I am offended by you getting offended. (I don't like Destiny)
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On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.
What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language. Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth.
I'm not sure what you mean. Can I not make philosophical claims? If not me, who can?
Let me be clear: I am not arguing the proposition "no one has a right to express themselves in racist language" is true in virtue of my saying it, I am arguing it is true simpliciter. Obviously the topics themselves "go beyond" what I think, since the topics include thousands of opinions, scholarly publications, philosophers, possible opinions, and whatever else it takes to be a "topic".
If you think my claim is wrong, then I would be interested to hear your counterargument, and maybe you can convince me destiny has a moral right to use racist language. The reason I posted my original argument is because I suspect that much of the attempts to justify destiny's behavior depend on the equivocation I disambiguated between political and moral rights. I would be willing to bet destiny's own rationalizations of his behavior involve a similar confusion.
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