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FrozenG
Profile Joined January 2012
United States60 Posts
May 01 2012 22:25 GMT
#2201
Why is everyone always out to get destiny? This is like the one millionth post about why destiny is bad for the community, everyone knows how he acts, and i think if nothing has happened by now, nothing is ever going to happen. In fact he is the only reason i even know about quantic, and support them. I think he has served his purpose for the team.
huStl.e
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom104 Posts
May 01 2012 22:25 GMT
#2202
Why don't we all make the effort to change the personal image of the words we find offensive? Remove the taboo no one on this forum gets offended at words like "Fuck" or "Bastard" and everyone i know and i can bet the majority here use the word "rape" without giving it a second glance. These are words that are all offensive to someone.
I'm a support worker and i work with people who have learning difficulties or are in wheelchairs etc. but if i get six pooled on the ladder you can bet your ass im calling that guy out as a retard.


Break down the taboo's with these words don't protect their status as hate words, its just stupid to propagate the image of hate from 100 years ago or more.
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halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
May 01 2012 22:26 GMT
#2203
On May 02 2012 07:22 ThomasHobbes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.


i expect that you will not get what you are expecting.

do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me

next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.



Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe


From context it doesn't even seem like the OP was Korean, the OP just bm'd Destiny and got rage in return.

There's a huge difference between using slurs and being a racist.

using a racial slur shows that your are at least slightly racist, because you think that being of that race is a negative thing.
Vysage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States117 Posts
May 01 2012 22:26 GMT
#2204
Destiny has been using racial slurs forever. It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. Stop being offended. Literally only a word reflecting a person's anger. Are you seriously making an entire thread about that? Think about it.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
May 01 2012 22:26 GMT
#2205
On May 02 2012 07:24 ThomasHobbes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:22 Vari wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.


i expect that you will not get what you are expecting.

do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me

next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.

I just want to point out that's it's really really pathetic and sad that people watch him because he uses racist language.

if you watch him for other reasons and ignore the language, fine.

but if that is seriously what motivates you to click on his name, as you have just said? wow.

but I mean hey why should he grow up or be less insensitive when people jump to support him? obviously actually being adult, controlling what he says at all... these things have no value to him or his viewers. and clearly his play in and of itself has no value to anyone either.


Yes, Destiny provides entertainment for his viewers, and yes, that's why they watch him.

I don't see why this is surprise, you aren't going to change it, and if he really aggravates you, ignore him. You never have to watch a single minute of his stream.


don't worry, I never have and never will.

it more bothers me that you call it entertainment because "oh boy! he might curse someone out and/or call them a racial slur!"
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XVictoryX
Profile Joined March 2012
1 Post
May 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#2206
So many people on this website need to grow a spine honestly.

User was banned for this post.
Gov
Profile Joined November 2010
United States121 Posts
May 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#2207
Did you post this on reddit? They're pitchforks are getting a bit rusty so they need a good witchhunt!
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Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
May 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#2208
On May 02 2012 07:26 Vysage wrote:
Destiny has been using racial slurs forever. It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. Stop being offended. Literally only a word reflecting a person's anger. Are you seriously making an entire thread about that? Think about it.

words have no meaning now? interesting theory coming from someone who communicates exclusively with them on the internet.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
kammeyer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States275 Posts
May 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#2209
On May 02 2012 07:25 FrozenG wrote:
Why is everyone always out to get destiny? This is like the one millionth post about why destiny is bad for the community, everyone knows how he acts, and i think if nothing has happened by now, nothing is ever going to happen. In fact he is the only reason i even know about quantic, and support them. I think he has served his purpose for the team.


Lol, I don't really get it. I don't consider being featured in Forbes Magazine as a negative.
Vysage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 22:28:35
May 01 2012 22:28 GMT
#2210
On May 02 2012 07:27 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:26 Vysage wrote:
Destiny has been using racial slurs forever. It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. Stop being offended. Literally only a word reflecting a person's anger. Are you seriously making an entire thread about that? Think about it.

words have no meaning now? interesting theory coming from someone who communicates exclusively with them on the internet.


Did you read the sentences after that? That's what they mean.
whiskypriest
Profile Joined April 2011
68 Posts
May 01 2012 22:28 GMT
#2211
It's sort of a distraction to focus on Destiny. Obviously he's not going to change his behavior, because his behavior is what has gotten him a huge following out of proportion to his skill at SC2. The important question is why being an abusive asshole makes Destiny so popular in the community? That issue is much less susceptible of an easy solution, but probably much more important in the long run.
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-01 22:31:09
May 01 2012 22:28 GMT
#2212
On May 02 2012 07:24 Leth0 wrote:
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On May 02 2012 07:22 yeastiality wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:20 GreenFaction wrote:
I disagree with the argument, prevalent in this thread, that it is Destiny's right to use racist language. No one has the right to use racist language. We need to realize a distinction between political rights moral rights. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that destiny has a political right to use racist language, up to a point (after a certain point, this right can be forfeit because of laws against assault and slander, etc.). I'm not interested in arguing about his political rights.

What I think is clear is that he has no moral right, no one has a moral right, to use racist language. And this is even independent of whether it is being directed at a particular individual or not. The language is morally destructive regardless; its use is even destructive to destiny himself. It's not right, we all know it's not right. So once we disambiguate the political/moral issues, I think it's pretty obvious that the issue here has nothing at all to do with free speech. No one has a moral right to express themselves in racist language.


Are you prepared to debate Destiny on this if he asked you? Morality and politics are both very deep philosophical topics that go beyond what you think is the absolute immutable truth.



Because people who get mad over a video game and result to calling people 'fucking faggot gooks' are not worth debating. You are never going to convince a person who thinks like that they they are wrong and just being childish.


So you're not, then? Okay. There's a pretty famous video of Destiny debating someone about this exact topic, including your argument. I just wondered if you were familiar with the arguments for and against what you said (since you say that you think it's clear, but I don't think it is).

When people say "we all know ____" or "it's clear that ___" as a priori facts, I tune them out faster than the guy saying scary hurtful words on a video game stream. Dunno about the rest of you...
Bananafish
Profile Joined September 2010
30 Posts
May 01 2012 22:28 GMT
#2213
On May 02 2012 07:22 ThomasHobbes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:19 Bananafish wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:16 Deathmanbob wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Gook is extremely offensive, I wouldn't expect anything less than him being unfeatured.


i expect that you will not get what you are expecting.

do we REALLY have to do this every time someone pisses off someone? OHHHHH NOOOO the guy known for bm said something mean to me

next we will be making threads when idra doesnt gg before leaving a game. Lets all chill out and relax, we all know that destiny stream is a little bit crazy but i know thats why i watch.



Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe


From context it doesn't even seem like the OP was Korean, the OP just bm'd Destiny and got rage in return.

There's a huge difference between using slurs and being a racist.



No. There isn't. If you're using racist slurs against people you are a fucking racist. How much of this fucking thread is white people making arguments about intent as though a person of color, or minority, or Korean GIVES A FUCK how he meant it, why is everyone falling over themselves to view this only from the perspective of a white male (it is because the vast majority of you are white males and this the only goddamn thing you can relate to, you are so broken you cannot even fathom people having different lives or experiences than the one you've had). Even if Steven called someone who wasn't a korean that word that doesn't make it a not racist word and it doesn't mean he wasn't clearly using it in a bigoted way.
Bananafish
Profile Joined September 2010
30 Posts
May 01 2012 22:29 GMT
#2214
These racist words have no meaning to me, a white person, I don't understand how they could for anyone else. I am a literal fucking child.
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
May 01 2012 22:29 GMT
#2215
So I'm just curious, but could a TL administrator/moderator clear something up for the community. Do you guys condone Destiny's behavior? I, and I'm sure many others as well, are extremely curious about TL's stance on this issue. Because I'm getting a lot of mixed messages based on past and current examples.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#2216
On May 02 2012 07:13 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 05:29 Primadog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: If you're asian, are you offended?

I am offended by this thread (78)
 
46%

I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (50)
 
30%

I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (40)
 
24%

168 total votes

Your vote: If you're asian, are you offended?

(Vote): I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am offended by this thread



As expected. The only offensive thing going on is in this thread.


Do you realize that everyone is going to vote whether or not they're actually Asian?

I guess I'll toss in the whole "I'm Asian and this is how I feel about it" post.

Am I offended by destiny's use of the word "gook"? nope. His usage of "nigger", nope.

They're just words.
If you're gunna get offended by a guy you've never met, just because he used a racial slur, there are FAR bigger issues in your self esteem, than the actual usage of the racial slur.
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Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
May 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#2217
On May 02 2012 07:28 Vysage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:27 Vari wrote:
On May 02 2012 07:26 Vysage wrote:
Destiny has been using racial slurs forever. It's 2012, racial slurs don't mean anything. Stop being offended. Literally only a word reflecting a person's anger. Are you seriously making an entire thread about that? Think about it.

words have no meaning now? interesting theory coming from someone who communicates exclusively with them on the internet.


Did you read the sentences after that? That's what they mean.

but he can't use a different word for some reason? one that doesn't have that connotation?

or let me guess that tramples on his rights or some bullshit.

or maybe it just doesn't agitate people enough and then his viewer counts go bye bye
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Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
May 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#2218
On May 01 2012 22:56 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 22:54 chatuka wrote:
the intention was pretty racist by Destiny.

Destiny could of just left the game saying
"The absolute epitome of a skilless effing faggot" that's it.. But he adds on top of his rage with lowering his opponent to a non-human slur that degrades asian people. That is the problem here.

I understand that racism is here well and alive in 2012 all around the world. However, better people, especially professional SC2 players need to get over their tribal instincts and just be chill with other cultures.


Why the fuck is it ok to call someone a faggot but not a racial slur? Oh, it's not. He needs to quit doing both.

Wait klondi, i remember you, you're the kid who thought racism can only marginalize a minority right? You should probably learn what racism is before you comment on racism.

Also, I do not find this offensive, one of the reasons I watch destiny is because he is so out-spoken. It is refreshing and enjoyable to me. On another note taboos like this historically prevent progress, I imagine that the same people who are complaining about this are the same types of people that historically have actually hunted taboo shit down. They are the same people who persecute for pushing the envelope and making possible progress.

The same type of people who are now in a witch-hunt against density would have booed Stravinsky off the stage for offending standards and defiling music. These are the same types of people who would have agreed with the then status quo off hitler calling the work of the German impressionists the art of the degenerate. Despite it not being the best term he could have used people who push the envelope are the people that make progress and change. Going against progress is just anti-intellectual.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
May 01 2012 22:31 GMT
#2219
On May 02 2012 07:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 07:13 Sein wrote:
On May 02 2012 05:29 Primadog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: If you're asian, are you offended?

I am offended by this thread (78)
 
46%

I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (50)
 
30%

I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (40)
 
24%

168 total votes

Your vote: If you're asian, are you offended?

(Vote): I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am offended by this thread



As expected. The only offensive thing going on is in this thread.


Do you realize that everyone is going to vote whether or not they're actually Asian?

I guess I'll toss in the whole "I'm Asian and this is how I feel about it" post.

Am I offended by destiny's use of the word "gook"? nope. His usage of "nigger", nope.

They're just words.
If you're gunna get offended by a guy you've never met, just because he used a racial slur, there are FAR bigger issues in your self esteem, than the actual usage of the racial slur.


it couldn't have less to do with self esteem.
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Bananafish
Profile Joined September 2010
30 Posts
May 01 2012 22:31 GMT
#2220
I still remember when Steven got 'drunk' and sexually harassed a woman live on stream and people were going nuts defending him. One person even going so far as to say that since she worked in porn she had basically given up all rights to consent to having her body skeeved out on by some turd, and this seems like a repeat of that.
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