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LOL Amare.
Finally figured out a way he doesn't have to play D.
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On May 02 2012 12:38 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:51 jeeeeohn wrote:
Well, Atlanta, I really don't know what to say. Words cannot describe how incredibly frustrating it is to watch you piss away game after game. I don't mind close games. I don't even mind blowouts that much. Those I can forgive. What I can't forgive is seeing past an opponent who are down 2 of their best players.
I've watched the Hawks since I was 8 years old. I was a Celtics fan for a while just because of Paul Pierce, but I eventually went back because I'm a stupid bastard like that. I watched this team grow from a 13 win season into perennial playoff fodder.
Take it from me: this team is garbage. For every good play on offense, you get five minutes of standing around, isolation play. For every time Josh Smith does something good on defense, you have 10 possessions of him being a complete lazy ass. It's the culture of this organization that needs changing.
And Joe. I love Joe. If I have kids who like basketball I'll tell them about Joe and how great he was. But his shot selection is legendarily horrible. He'll chuck up threes like the world was about to end.
I can't take it anymore. I really can't. I'll tune in and root for them, but beyond Joe Johnson and Josh Smith I don't really have any favorites. Al Horford was a nice complimentary piece, but I think people built him up to be the defacto leader when all he really did was provide emotional sparks and 14 points / 9 boards. Jeff Teague is awesome, but I doubt he'll stick around.
The Hawks as I know them are going to blow up after this season. There's no point in keeping them together. They have failed to prove anything except a lack in focus. They play down to their opponent's level. They don't play within their own skill sets (Josh Smith can't shoot jump shots). They are frustratingly dumb to watch. But hey, that's the Hawks. The Hawks have always been mediocre in every era of basketball except for the Nique era and Bob Pettite era--and in Nique's time he was stonewalled by, guess who, the fucking Celtics.
I don't even know what to say anymore, except that I've been saying the same things about this team for the past 6 or 7 years. Let me count the ways:
-No quality big men (Rasheed Wallace played ONE game for us before being traded)
-No quality point guard (Teague sometimes disappears)
-Too many isolation plays
-Too many rotations on defense
-Marvin Williams needs to be traded or let go or possibly drowned in the river
Let me give you a brief history of Marvin Williams. He was the second pick overall in some draft. He has spent the entire time making Hawks fans wonder why oh why did we pass on Chris Paul and generally bricking fadeaways when he's wide open. Do you catch my drift? HE FADES AWAY WHEN HE'S WIDE OPEN. A SUPPOSED SHOOTING GUARD / SMALL FORWARD HYBRID FADES AWAY NEEDLESSLY. That's a problem you expect with big men. If you see it with little guys, you know to pass on them immediately, because they are terrible. My hatred for Marvin knows no bounds. He's an awesome person, but he's third string material at best and shouldn't see more than 5 minutes of garbage time on the court.
-Letting Josh Childress go was retarded
-Management is stupid (120M contract to an aging SG)
-Management is cheap (weird, huh? but they never go over the luxury tax)
Part of me is excited to watch a brand new team spring up and start growing. But another part of me knows that nothing is going to come out of the effort. You start to get a brain for recognizing patterns, both in life and in basketball, and when you know it's crap, it's crap, and will always be crap. Some teams and some towns just GET IT. Some of them are learning how to. But Atlanta? Never.
Sigh. If I were an Atlanta fan, I'd appreciate* the genuine effort the Hawks have made to be competitive. They're, basically, as honestly constructed as a team could be. The reason they failed, is because they drafted poorly. No, not just Marvin Williams over Deron Williams and Chris Paul - but also Shelden Williams, Josh Childress and Acie Law (the Fourth!) But that 2005 sign and trade deal for Joe Johnson was really really good. Al Horford was nice after Durant. Smith in the middle of the first round in 2004 was sweet. That extension for Johnson looks unforgivable now, but it was really, not an inconceivable window of talent for Atlanta. EDIT: Appreciate might be a bit of a tough word to swallow, ha.
Joe Johnson wasn't good enough to be the guy they needed to be a real contender. I think they also mucked up with Horford and Smith. They should have traded one IMO and brought in a strong defensive C (Chandler or Bogut are two guys they realistically could have acquired in this time IMO who would have been great for them). Horford is a PF and hasn't had a proper opporunity to shine at the Hawks for me by playing at C.
Their team last year was actually pretty good. When Crawford was still a productive bench player, could you imagine if they had say Chandler or Bogut at C and Horford at the PF? The Hawks are/were a solid team, but like people have said: they've got a soft underbelly which hurts them in big games.
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On May 02 2012 12:50 krndandaman wrote:
bynum improved so much this year... seriously
if we had to vote for center of the year i'd vote for him over d12
Yep. He has been the MIP for me by a long way. Dwight's still a better player, but the margin isn't as large as it once was.
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On May 02 2012 12:42 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 12:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Does Bynum ever get called for 3 in the key? no, not really, but then again dwight and shaq don't/didn't get called for it either
If you touch someone who cuts into the lane, the 3 seconds resets is the rule and excuse Bynum gave.
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On May 02 2012 12:38 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:58 Jerubaal wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 02 2012 11:51 jeeeeohn wrote:
Well, Atlanta, I really don't know what to say. Words cannot describe how incredibly frustrating it is to watch you piss away game after game. I don't mind close games. I don't even mind blowouts that much. Those I can forgive. What I can't forgive is seeing past an opponent who are down 2 of their best players.
I've watched the Hawks since I was 8 years old. I was a Celtics fan for a while just because of Paul Pierce, but I eventually went back because I'm a stupid bastard like that. I watched this team grow from a 13 win season into perennial playoff fodder.
Take it from me: this team is garbage. For every good play on offense, you get five minutes of standing around, isolation play. For every time Josh Smith does something good on defense, you have 10 possessions of him being a complete lazy ass. It's the culture of this organization that needs changing.
And Joe. I love Joe. If I have kids who like basketball I'll tell them about Joe and how great he was. But his shot selection is legendarily horrible. He'll chuck up threes like the world was about to end.
I can't take it anymore. I really can't. I'll tune in and root for them, but beyond Joe Johnson and Josh Smith I don't really have any favorites. Al Horford was a nice complimentary piece, but I think people built him up to be the defacto leader when all he really did was provide emotional sparks and 14 points / 9 boards. Jeff Teague is awesome, but I doubt he'll stick around.
The Hawks as I know them are going to blow up after this season. There's no point in keeping them together. They have failed to prove anything except a lack in focus. They play down to their opponent's level. They don't play within their own skill sets (Josh Smith can't shoot jump shots). They are frustratingly dumb to watch. But hey, that's the Hawks. The Hawks have always been mediocre in every era of basketball except for the Nique era and Bob Pettite era--and in Nique's time he was stonewalled by, guess who, the fucking Celtics.
I don't even know what to say anymore, except that I've been saying the same things about this team for the past 6 or 7 years. Let me count the ways:
-No quality big men (Rasheed Wallace played ONE game for us before being traded)
-No quality point guard (Teague sometimes disappears)
-Too many isolation plays
-Too many rotations on defense
-Marvin Williams needs to be traded or let go or possibly drowned in the river
Let me give you a brief history of Marvin Williams. He was the second pick overall in some draft. He has spent the entire time making Hawks fans wonder why oh why did we pass on Chris Paul and generally bricking fadeaways when he's wide open. Do you catch my drift? HE FADES AWAY WHEN HE'S WIDE OPEN. A SUPPOSED SHOOTING GUARD / SMALL FORWARD HYBRID FADES AWAY NEEDLESSLY. That's a problem you expect with big men. If you see it with little guys, you know to pass on them immediately, because they are terrible. My hatred for Marvin knows no bounds. He's an awesome person, but he's third string material at best and shouldn't see more than 5 minutes of garbage time on the court.
-Letting Josh Childress go was retarded
-Management is stupid (120M contract to an aging SG)
-Management is cheap (weird, huh? but they never go over the luxury tax)
Part of me is excited to watch a brand new team spring up and start growing. But another part of me knows that nothing is going to come out of the effort. You start to get a brain for recognizing patterns, both in life and in basketball, and when you know it's crap, it's crap, and will always be crap. Some teams and some towns just GET IT. Some of them are learning how to. But Atlanta? Never.
Sigh. Now you know how I feel about the Cowboys. LOL I gave up on the cowboys a LONG time ago. I had hope for the Mavs this season, but idk if they can even win against OKC
Just waiting for Jerry Jones to die I guess. :D
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Nuggets have nothing. Lakers too good.
Three pretty dull games today =/
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Kobe must love these games. Barely has to work at all for 28+ points. If these Nuggets are going to get called for a foul every time he takes a shot, they might as well make sure he doesn't make it.
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The Nuggets just aren't strong enough defensively. Lakers have too many matchup advantages.
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Nuggets transition too fast
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Lakers are going to win this series easily, but I'd be concerned about some defensive and offensive holes the Nuggets have exploited. This should not be a 5 point game.
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On May 02 2012 13:18 Jerubaal wrote:
Kobe must love these games. Barely has to work at all for 28+ points. If these Nuggets are going to get called for a foul every time he takes a shot, they might as well make sure he doesn't make it.
He's taken 5 free throws?
I'm not watching the game anymore so idk if they're calling off-ball fouls or not
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nuggets have got to be one of the dumbest teams in the nba and that's after trading melo. Corey brewer showboating on a fast break with a hammer dunk when they're down by 7. Very lucky to get the sessions foul called.
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On May 02 2012 13:42 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 13:18 Jerubaal wrote:
Kobe must love these games. Barely has to work at all for 28+ points. If these Nuggets are going to get called for a foul every time he takes a shot, they might as well make sure he doesn't make it. He's taken 5 free throws? I'm not watching the game anymore so idk if they're calling off-ball fouls or not
They were somewhat unrelated comments. To be sure he's gotten a few ridiculous calls, but we don't want to have that argument again. I was just commenting on how it seems like he hasn't had to work too hard in the offense. He's mostly been getting the ball off of screens and dipsy-doing into a fadeaway. I don't think I've even seen him drive.
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I'm baffled this game is so close. Nuggets just don't look like winning at all.
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As good as Kobe was in the first half, his shooting is hurting the Lakers now.
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Jeeeeohn do you live in ATL? If so I'll probably buy you a beer.
It's so refreshing to hear an honest evaluation of the hawks instead of what all my friends say.........shit like the hawks are ECF champs easily lmao.
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EPT
