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On May 01 2012 10:14 Bonzinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:05 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:59 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:51 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:44 Ace wrote:
Melo is not even a great scorer. Don't know why people keep harping on that shit. That's not even decent trolling lol... um...he isn't. Melo isn't even close to the Durant/Lebron/Wade level of scoring output. All have around the same ppg in their respective careers. I dunno, Melo to me is flat out sick scorer. Have you looked at their FG% and individual scoring seasons? Melo is no where near their level. When you add in playoffs and the defenses faced Melo just gets obliterated. He's literally not even in the conversation. Durant and Melo are more shooters then drivers as Wade and Lebron are, so normaly % wise they will be less efficientBut i don't really judge scorers by their playoff performances. You have to be a winner in playoffs, not only scorer. But ultimately it will come to comparing wins and performances in palyoffs. Only Wade with a ring from that bunch atm..
Which is why Melo isn't in the conversation. Every top tier scorer in NBA history loads up in the paint or rim attacks. Every single one.
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On May 01 2012 10:19 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:14 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 10:05 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:59 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:51 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:44 Ace wrote:
Melo is not even a great scorer. Don't know why people keep harping on that shit. That's not even decent trolling lol... um...he isn't. Melo isn't even close to the Durant/Lebron/Wade level of scoring output. All have around the same ppg in their respective careers. I dunno, Melo to me is flat out sick scorer. Have you looked at their FG% and individual scoring seasons? Melo is no where near their level. When you add in playoffs and the defenses faced Melo just gets obliterated. He's literally not even in the conversation. Durant and Melo are more shooters then drivers as Wade and Lebron are, so normaly % wise they will be less efficientBut i don't really judge scorers by their playoff performances. You have to be a winner in playoffs, not only scorer. But ultimately it will come to comparing wins and performances in palyoffs. Only Wade with a ring from that bunch atm.. Which is why Melo isn't in the conversation. Every top tier scorer in NBA history loads up in the paint or rim attacks. Every single one.
Not really true. Take Pistol Pete for example. He's a classic example of a volume jump shooter.
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Only player driving to the basket is the oldest on the Knicks team....that aint good.
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On May 01 2012 10:25 jeeeeohn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:19 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 10:14 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 10:05 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:59 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:51 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:44 Ace wrote:
Melo is not even a great scorer. Don't know why people keep harping on that shit. That's not even decent trolling lol... um...he isn't. Melo isn't even close to the Durant/Lebron/Wade level of scoring output. All have around the same ppg in their respective careers. I dunno, Melo to me is flat out sick scorer. Have you looked at their FG% and individual scoring seasons? Melo is no where near their level. When you add in playoffs and the defenses faced Melo just gets obliterated. He's literally not even in the conversation. Durant and Melo are more shooters then drivers as Wade and Lebron are, so normaly % wise they will be less efficientBut i don't really judge scorers by their playoff performances. You have to be a winner in playoffs, not only scorer. But ultimately it will come to comparing wins and performances in palyoffs. Only Wade with a ring from that bunch atm.. Which is why Melo isn't in the conversation. Every top tier scorer in NBA history loads up in the paint or rim attacks. Every single one. Not really true. Take Pistol Pete for example. He's a classic example of a volume jump shooter.
I should rephrase this with post 70s players as anything before that isn't modern basketball. But yea, I guess. *shrug*
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Wow, Knicks defense is so weak. All it takes is a drive and kick to find someone wide open.
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I love how the ball movement from game 1 is present in game 2 as well for the heat <3
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Knicks threw away their chance by not finishing in 8:00. Was a better game, but that was only because of the officiating. This is what G1 would have looked like as well. Carmelo and A'mare really are not playing well at all as a team.
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On May 01 2012 09:24 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:42 justinpal wrote:
JR Smith has to be the best player with the lowest basketball IQ I have ever seen. What do you call Javale McGee?
Bad at basketball and stupid?
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yeah... the Knicks should have played for the 8 seed
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Good to see Mike and Shane getting their touch back in playoffs. GG
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Smith scores 7 of his 13 points in the last 3 minutes of garbage time?
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On May 01 2012 10:35 udgnim wrote:
yeah... the Knicks should have played for the 8 seed
So they can get beaten in Chicago instead.
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Looks like Indiana is going to tie the series. Good job. Game 2 of Dallas and Oklahoma is going to be sick to watch.
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I'm a tad surprised how easily the Heat are making it look vs the Knicks.
The next game at MSG will be the most interesting IMO. If the Knicks have anything to show as a team it'll be in this game for sure. Atmosphere should be crazy too.
Pacers and Magic look wholly unimpressive.
Thunder were a bit lucky to pull out game one so today's rematch should be good!
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On May 01 2012 11:00 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm a tad surprised how easily the Heat are making it look vs the Knicks.
I'm not. I predicted a sweep, and don't think any of the games would be close. Knicks losing by 10, even with Miami letting them score late is an achievement. They really are that outmatched.
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On May 01 2012 07:42 MassHysteria wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:25 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 01 2012 06:20 MassHysteria wrote:On May 01 2012 05:35 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 01 2012 04:27 Daozzt wrote:On May 01 2012 03:51 justinpal wrote:On May 01 2012 03:48 Daozzt wrote:On May 01 2012 03:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 01 2012 03:27 rei wrote:
how do you penalize flopping? review the foul call and if the reaction is exaggerated then call a technical foul on the guy flopping? They players would just adapt by taking some acting lessons and make it harder to tell. It would surely weed out the players who can't act. I don't think it would be unreasonable to penalize the more obvious flops either during games or through reviews after games. You're right that there would still be some borderline or difficult to determine situations, but that's true of a lot of calls made in the NBA right involving regular and technical fouls. Would there be some situations where players would still get away with flopping? Sure. Would there be some situations where a player would be penalized for flopping when they weren't actually flopping? Probably. However, I firmly believe that it'd be a net gain because players would at least have to think twice before flopping and we'd see a lot less flopping in general because most players are not going to be skilled enough to fool refs and post-game reviews. Right now, there is essentially no penalty for flopping. Imposing some penalty, such as a technical foul, fines, suspensions for repeat offenses, etc. would at least create the potential for a player costing himself or his team money or wins by flopping. I don't see any downside to it. Yep, there was a video where JVG went on a rant and came up with the same conclusion. The league has to review the tapes after the games, and hand out a T and a fine (probably 5-10k) to obvious floppers so they are actually discouraged to flop during the game. Let's give the NBA another way to pick favorite players and teams. Better than the disgusting flopping that commonly occurs in every game now. The thing is now they can't be blatantly biased because everyone has access to these video replays and they have time to analyze them, so there's more pressure on the NBA to actually make the right decisions. Agreed. Due to the ease of access to video footage of plays to everyone, and not just the NBA, would help keep the league in check with regards to any significant bias. Keep in mind that, in addition to fans, opposing teams' staffs will also serve to balance each other, i.e. if the league lets a Lebron flop slide due to bias, the opposing team will easily be able to submit video proof to contest. Teams already do it now as a form of protest and way to lobby to officials, so it'd be no different. Meh, I still think the best idea would be to make the officials a 3rd-party entity, outside of the NBA. Only then can bias really not be a question. By having officials having to report Stern and the NBA though, credibility can still be in question. How would that really change anything though? Stern and the NBA would still have the refs by their balls due to being their sole employer. I don't think being independent would give them any leverage, and they'd still "answer to" Stern and the NBA and have all the incentive in the world to keep them happy. So, then there is no solution is what you are saying? Because making them independent makes more sense in trying to fix the problem of officials managing with an agenda. I agree with all your points above, but that still doesn't address how keeping them as part of the NBA directly makes more sense? The problems you addressed would still be there, and that is why it depends largely on the system they implement once they decide to go this way. Making them a 3rd-party entity is not the end-all solution, it just makes the most sense when establishing credibility. Specially when you want people to stop saying how the refs affect the outcomes of games depending on who the NBA wants to win. Would the NBA still have the refs by the balls? Yes, but they wouldn't have to "answer to" Stern as much as they have to answer to the general public. Stern would have no direct control over the referees, but rather have to work with the chosen representatives at a more transparent level. The NBA would still be their sole employer but why do union employees form a union in the first place? A lot of the same reasons would still apply here even though we aren't talking about a union(I know it's different in the sense that unions are primarily to take care of the employees' rights, yet in this case it is mainly for the integrity of the game, but you catch my drift). If the NBA wants to "fire" these officials, you can bet they would have a major media shit-storm as to why and who they would use to replace them. The officials wouldn't have leverage, but they would definitely have more to work with than they do now. There would still be a lot of stuff to fix still obviously, I just like the idea of it so far compared to other solutions being thrown out. edit: lol @ the Rose playoff jersey!
Solution to what? Referee bias? The NBA controlling games via refs to forward their designs? I'm not sure what making the referees an independent body is supposed to be solving. I thought we were talking about finding a way to get rid of flopping, and complaining about how the current NBA rules and reffing have deterred actual defense in lieu of taking charges and flopping. Sure, the refs becoming an independent group might make some difference, but I don't think it'd be significant or solve any of the problems we've been talking about.
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amare cut himself punching something in the locker room and a paramedic had to come o.o?
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On May 01 2012 10:19 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:14 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 10:05 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:59 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:51 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:44 Ace wrote:
Melo is not even a great scorer. Don't know why people keep harping on that shit. That's not even decent trolling lol... um...he isn't. Melo isn't even close to the Durant/Lebron/Wade level of scoring output. All have around the same ppg in their respective careers. I dunno, Melo to me is flat out sick scorer. Have you looked at their FG% and individual scoring seasons? Melo is no where near their level. When you add in playoffs and the defenses faced Melo just gets obliterated. He's literally not even in the conversation. Durant and Melo are more shooters then drivers as Wade and Lebron are, so normaly % wise they will be less efficientBut i don't really judge scorers by their playoff performances. You have to be a winner in playoffs, not only scorer. But ultimately it will come to comparing wins and performances in palyoffs. Only Wade with a ring from that bunch atm.. Which is why Melo isn't in the conversation. Every top tier scorer in NBA history loads up in the paint or rim attacks. Every single one.
I don't know if I would consider Kareem's play in his later years as "loading up in the paint" he could hit with the skyhook from almost anywhere on the court.
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On May 01 2012 11:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:19 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 10:14 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 10:05 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:59 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:51 Ace wrote:On May 01 2012 09:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 01 2012 09:44 Ace wrote:
Melo is not even a great scorer. Don't know why people keep harping on that shit. That's not even decent trolling lol... um...he isn't. Melo isn't even close to the Durant/Lebron/Wade level of scoring output. All have around the same ppg in their respective careers. I dunno, Melo to me is flat out sick scorer. Have you looked at their FG% and individual scoring seasons? Melo is no where near their level. When you add in playoffs and the defenses faced Melo just gets obliterated. He's literally not even in the conversation. Durant and Melo are more shooters then drivers as Wade and Lebron are, so normaly % wise they will be less efficientBut i don't really judge scorers by their playoff performances. You have to be a winner in playoffs, not only scorer. But ultimately it will come to comparing wins and performances in palyoffs. Only Wade with a ring from that bunch atm.. Which is why Melo isn't in the conversation. Every top tier scorer in NBA history loads up in the paint or rim attacks. Every single one. I don't know if I would consider Kareem's play in his later years as "loading up in the paint" he could hit with the skyhook from almost anywhere on the court.
Same goes for MJ
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