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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
April 29 2012 09:38 GMT
#221
On April 29 2012 17:42 RowdierBob wrote:
Loool:

[image loading]


i caught duhon doing that on the broadcast, and although the situation for me was like WTFBBQ DANNY GRANGER Y U TRAVEL it did crack me up.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
April 29 2012 09:41 GMT
#222
On April 29 2012 15:05 andrewlt wrote:
ACL tears normally aren't contact injuries. They're overuse injuries. Human beings didn't evolve to move laterally. Whenever somebody moves laterally, jukes, changes direction or does any type of movement that bends the knees sideways, it puts pressure on the ACL. After repeated fatigue, that thing can just give way at any moment. That's why many ACL tears happen without any contact whatsoever. For reference, see the Livingston ACL tear where it just gave way on a simple breakaway without anyone anywhere near him.

From what I noticed, it takes a long time for players to receover from this type of injury. Even after the player is back, it takes a long time for them to get back to near what they were before the injury takes place. Rose probably won't play near as well as he currently was until around this time next year. Even if Rose were to fully recover, I doubt it will be before the 2013 season.


I don't see how this assertion is true at all. While if you are tired, your stabilizer muscles won't provide enough strength to guard against slips, long term use has nothing to do with ACLs.

ACL injuries are very common among high school athletes, especially girls (has to do with preventative strength and conditioning programs). If overuse were the case, we'd see ACL injuries steadily increase as athletes got older. But I think it's more common for the Jeremy Lins and Shumperts to tear their ACLs than old dinosaurs like Tim Duncan, Kobe, Nash, or Kidd.

In non-tackle sports, ACLs tend to occur due to landing awkwardly, or planting wrong.
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
April 29 2012 09:52 GMT
#223
On April 29 2012 17:03 slyboogie wrote:
He slipped and his knee went one direction and the rest of his body another. I don't know if what andrewlt said is even true, but I have indeed seen a lot of ACLs just "go" on the landing. I think it's just if your knee tries to move in a way that it...can't, your ligament tears. Not that different from snapping a rubber band, I'd imagine, a piece of flesh only has so much tensile strength.

That being said, Willis Mcgahee's tear in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl was the worst sports injury I have ever seen in my life.


Willis McGahee luckily made a recovery, and he messed up absolutely everything possibly worth messing up inside his knee, that shit was horrid! Not to just pull up nasty injuries for the hell of it, but have you seen Henke Larsson's leg injury? To this day it still makes me queezy just by looking at it..



His shin just snaps (and yeah, that's his shinbone sticking out from his leg)
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13434 Posts
April 29 2012 10:22 GMT
#224
Rose has age on his side, but it's not an injury he wants to do again. I've seen athletes come back from a knee recon successfully before, but once you do it again it's pretty much GG. I don't know of too many elite athletes who have done an ACL twice and come back strong.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 11:44:36
April 29 2012 11:36 GMT
#225
On April 29 2012 18:52 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 17:03 slyboogie wrote:
He slipped and his knee went one direction and the rest of his body another. I don't know if what andrewlt said is even true, but I have indeed seen a lot of ACLs just "go" on the landing. I think it's just if your knee tries to move in a way that it...can't, your ligament tears. Not that different from snapping a rubber band, I'd imagine, a piece of flesh only has so much tensile strength.

That being said, Willis Mcgahee's tear in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl was the worst sports injury I have ever seen in my life.


Willis McGahee luckily made a recovery, and he messed up absolutely everything possibly worth messing up inside his knee, that shit was horrid! Not to just pull up nasty injuries for the hell of it, but have you seen Henke Larsson's leg injury? To this day it still makes me queezy just by looking at it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4llH2axuBQ

His shin just snaps (and yeah, that's his shinbone sticking out from his leg)


Same thing happened to me from the knee down (dislocation + fracture, leg was dangling at a right angle from the knee) playing varsity in highschool (football/soccer). Took 2 years of physio to get the right leg to fully bend all the way down and my left leg is my dominant leg now, thats whatI jump off of.

ACL's are not as severe but ligaments working fulltime is what keeps you explosive. Bones heal better once theyre fully healed. Thats what scares me. I dont doubt he will come back and still be a great player. But he may not be you know..."Derrick Rose." I really do worry tbh. Maybe its a personal thing aswell but if it slips again it goes out of control fast, and you know Derrick Rose isnt going to take it easy once hes fit. Thats not his game and thats why hes amazing. They will get him fit and going by the next season probably. That really isnt a concern.
Tim17
Profile Joined January 2011
France39 Posts
April 29 2012 11:58 GMT
#226
On April 29 2012 17:42 RowdierBob wrote:
Loool:

[image loading]


With the music, it's absolutly hilarious to me.

Kaesebrot
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany128 Posts
April 29 2012 15:44 GMT
#227
Pacers sooooooooo bad! The pacers threw the game away, unreal.
And I'm so sad the Mavs lost, they played so well - but no Luck at the end.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 29 2012 16:42 GMT
#228
Even though I'm rooting for Wade to get a chip that Miami vs New York game was one of the worst things I've ever seen.

I think the Knicks would have gotten swept anyway. But you can't sit here with a straight face and say the Knicks were even given a fair chance in that game. The Lebron flops, the stunning flagrant on Chandler, the absolute trash calls for the slightest contact - trash game. I'm not going to blame Miami though - that was all on the refs. Ruined what was an extremely enjoyable game up to that point.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 29 2012 18:13 GMT
#229
Watching Manu flop with no whistles even though they are playing in SA is so nice. Why couldn't this crew officiate the Miami/NY game? They even discussed a bad call by one of the refs when Hayward and Parker went for the ball earlier. God forbid the referees care more about getting the call right then saving face.
Never make a hydralisk.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 29 2012 18:17 GMT
#230
On April 30 2012 03:13 justinpal wrote:
Watching Manu flop with no whistles even though they are playing in SA is so nice. Why couldn't this crew officiate the Miami/NY game? They even discussed a bad call by one of the refs when Hayward and Parker went for the ball earlier. God forbid the referees care more about getting the call right then saving face.


Haters gonna hate.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 29 2012 18:24 GMT
#231
On April 29 2012 15:05 andrewlt wrote:
ACL tears normally aren't contact injuries. They're overuse injuries. Human beings didn't evolve to move laterally. Whenever somebody moves laterally, jukes, changes direction or does any type of movement that bends the knees sideways, it puts pressure on the ACL. After repeated fatigue, that thing can just give way at any moment. That's why many ACL tears happen without any contact whatsoever. For reference, see the Livingston ACL tear where it just gave way on a simple breakaway without anyone anywhere near him.

From what I noticed, it takes a long time for players to receover from this type of injury. Even after the player is back, it takes a long time for them to get back to near what they were before the injury takes place. Rose probably won't play near as well as he currently was until around this time next year. Even if Rose were to fully recover, I doubt it will be before the 2013 season.


The dumbest thing I've been hearing from people is, "Why was Rose in the Game!??" Well, when I saw his ACL tear (and I used to test ACLs for my BioE undergrad) it looked exactly like the kind of ACL tear that would have happened in the 2nd quarter of Game 2 if it didn't happen yesterday. The tendon was clearly incredibly weak, Rose does that same exact jumpstop 15 times a game.
Freeeeeeedom
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
April 29 2012 19:45 GMT
#232
So is McGee any good on the Nuggets, or is he still in Wizards mode?
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 29 2012 19:54 GMT
#233
On April 29 2012 17:58 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 17:49 RowdierBob wrote:
People saying Rose will be back for the new season are delusional. ACL's are horrible injuries for any athlete and take roughly 9 months to recover from. It doesn't matter how good your rehab is etc, you need a lot of time to recover and rehab from it. Rose might make it back by December at best.


Whats more worrisome is wether he will regain and maintain the explosiveness. Thats something Rose relies on heavily, you can see how debilitating injuries ruin players *cough* Davis *cough* (ok hes old but still).


Davis tore his ACL in college, I thought? And he was still pretty much a baller in Charlotte and New Orleans.

But yes, just look at Amare in 2002-2004. He was basically Blake Griffin before he hurt his knee. He still has the moves and he can get up but not with the same raw burst. And Chris Paul didn't even tear his ACL but that knee injury sapped so much of his pure speed, it's sad. Just go put in your old VHS tapes of him at Wake Forest and his first 3 years as a Hornet.

"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 29 2012 20:00 GMT
#234
Denver's perimeter defense so far has just been bad.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 29 2012 20:19 GMT
#235
On April 30 2012 04:45 igotmyown wrote:
So is McGee any good on the Nuggets, or is he still in Wizards mode?


Still got some derp moments but a lot better.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 29 2012 20:29 GMT
#236
Ebanks playing better than Artest would have and the lack of elbows is comforting.
Never make a hydralisk.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 29 2012 20:48 GMT
#237
On April 30 2012 03:24 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:05 andrewlt wrote:
ACL tears normally aren't contact injuries. They're overuse injuries. Human beings didn't evolve to move laterally. Whenever somebody moves laterally, jukes, changes direction or does any type of movement that bends the knees sideways, it puts pressure on the ACL. After repeated fatigue, that thing can just give way at any moment. That's why many ACL tears happen without any contact whatsoever. For reference, see the Livingston ACL tear where it just gave way on a simple breakaway without anyone anywhere near him.

From what I noticed, it takes a long time for players to receover from this type of injury. Even after the player is back, it takes a long time for them to get back to near what they were before the injury takes place. Rose probably won't play near as well as he currently was until around this time next year. Even if Rose were to fully recover, I doubt it will be before the 2013 season.


The dumbest thing I've been hearing from people is, "Why was Rose in the Game!??" Well, when I saw his ACL tear (and I used to test ACLs for my BioE undergrad) it looked exactly like the kind of ACL tear that would have happened in the 2nd quarter of Game 2 if it didn't happen yesterday. The tendon was clearly incredibly weak, Rose does that same exact jumpstop 15 times a game.

well said. I personally blame the condensed schedule =\
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
April 29 2012 20:56 GMT
#238
gallo needs to be running this offense....I hate when a teams best player doesn't touch the ball, and there's a dribble rythym jumpshot.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13434 Posts
April 30 2012 00:27 GMT
#239
Floyd Mayweather has 1.8 Million on the Clippers +6 tonight (7 Different Sports Books)
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 30 2012 00:35 GMT
#240
On April 30 2012 04:54 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 17:58 Rebs wrote:
On April 29 2012 17:49 RowdierBob wrote:
People saying Rose will be back for the new season are delusional. ACL's are horrible injuries for any athlete and take roughly 9 months to recover from. It doesn't matter how good your rehab is etc, you need a lot of time to recover and rehab from it. Rose might make it back by December at best.


Whats more worrisome is wether he will regain and maintain the explosiveness. Thats something Rose relies on heavily, you can see how debilitating injuries ruin players *cough* Davis *cough* (ok hes old but still).


Davis tore his ACL in college, I thought? And he was still pretty much a baller in Charlotte and New Orleans.

But yes, just look at Amare in 2002-2004. He was basically Blake Griffin before he hurt his knee. He still has the moves and he can get up but not with the same raw burst. And Chris Paul didn't even tear his ACL but that knee injury sapped so much of his pure speed, it's sad. Just go put in your old VHS tapes of him at Wake Forest and his first 3 years as a Hornet.



Well I just said debilitating injury. that includes all the people you mentioned, I dont know if he tore his ACL or not, I was talking about the back. And he was baller before that.
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