On August 11 2013 14:19 Whole wrote: You can't say it's low risk. Picking Pudge in itself is a big risk. If Pudge does not make a huge impact early on, you're pretty much playing a 4v5. A Pudge that isn't fed only offers a hook (which is a hard to hit), melee range magic damage, and melee range channeled disable. If you don't have Flesh Heap stacks and/or some decent items (for tankiness or mobility), you'll straight up die before you can dismember a worthwhile target.
The point of the fountain hooks is that pudge literally just needs maxed hook. Then he can just attempt the fountain hook over and over again beause it's an instakill regardless of the level of farm. You don't have to dismember anyone when it's 4v5 because the gyro got hooked from 2 screens away with double force staff.
On August 11 2013 14:14 hooahah wrote:
low-risk high-reward? are you kidding me?
Compelling argument. I'll take that into account.
On August 11 2013 13:55 Scio wrote: Tonfu never even tried to engage after a missed hook. Hook missed? Better farm some more as 5 and wait for the next one. Tonfu rarely shielded their heroes with the visage familiars and rubick only used telekinesis once against pudge who was about to hook. Tonfu reacted poorly to this strategy and they deserved to lose. There were a million and one ways Tonfu could have punished Navi for their failed fountain hooks, but they didnt punish anything and let xboct play catch up for like 15mins straight. The fact that this strategy is so rarely used on the big stage (and only by one team) should be proof enough that it is not OP, "100% luck" or "low risk-high reward". Fountain-hooking has been possible for years and has never been a reliable strategy (go figure). Tongfu gained a lead and then lost it by being scared shitless of a gimmick that they could have shut down with minimal investment. (let visage familiars shield important targets, get a euls or just cc the pudge when he force staffs right in your face)
Ok, Tongfu tried to push and force a teamfight immediately after a failed fountain hook. Then all of a sudden the one downside to fountain hooking is nullified because the fountain is close. It was damn near impossible for tongfu to break high ground.
The fact it's not used is probably proof that it's complete luck. There's little skill involved and usually pro teams don't force themselves into singular win condition like that.
Familiars hardly block any space whatsoever and when the hooks are coming from effective 2 screens away, not even the best visage player could block. Telekinesis the pudge...? Once again, it's coming from 2 screens away out of the fog of war.
Here is the game. Watch it and tell me where the blind fountain hooks and the 2 screen double forcestaff hooks are, ok? Also pls look at the farm Pudge has.
There's little skill involved
Little skill involved in landing Pudge hooks in pro games? ok.......
Well, since you fail to see the gigantic amount of luck in hitting these hooks. I'm just going to go with you're a blind navi fanboy. If tongfu were the ones that did this you'd be pitchforking all day. Pls tell me how this is "sacrificing chen" Pls realize it doesn't matter how much farm pudge has. Pls realize it's an instant kill no matter what Pls stop spamming pls. Pls go away and pls stop posting.
You know... after I called you out last month after your hostility trips and you were made to look pretty damn foolish, you stopped posting a bit and I figured maybe you calmed down or took it as a learning experience.
Clearly, you haven't. After all the bitching and complaining about others, maybe it's time to think, maybe it's you. I don't know if it's a maturity problem or something, but, we don't want you around here anymore. You're very negative and cancerous.
Koreans are better , we all fkin know that , but for once i wanna see a competition won by OUR fking players .... on OUR fucking region ....
Oh fuck it , Next European football in 2016 , Why dont we just invite Brazil and Argentina ? Who gives a shit they aint from Europe !!!
You think it's fair that Korea has maybe 80-90% of the best players in the world, but they only have ONE WCS tournament with the same prize pool as the other regions? How about that?
Boo hoo ?
Are they from Europe ? Do they live in Europe ?
Are they from America ? Do they live in America ?
Is it that hard to comprehend ?
Are your players good? No? Then maybe they shouldn't win.
Is it that hard to comprehend?
See how easy it is to not give a shit about what the other guy is saying?
So your argument for African international teams competing to enter the World cup finals would be ....... 'Fuck it , the African teams are not good enough against mid tier Eu teams , they don't deserve to be in the world cup' ......
Plank +1
dude. THIS TOURNAMENT IS NOT THE WORLD CUP
Its the same concept ..... or it should fking be
I give up , people need to stop sucking up to the koreans ......
Fuck it , sooner or later , we will have only Koreans competing in sc2 , Euro and americans will only play casual ..... Gonna be real fun then !
Enjoy .
And no local esport stars = no huge local interest = no raising local esport scene. Casual people don't identify with awkward korean nerdkids roflstomping their players. That's not the way you want to improve esport overall for our kids and grandchildren.
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Exactly ...... but hey ... since we have so many people accepting this korean dominance in competitions no names for their region , lets just let our scenes slowly die off !
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