I look through some topics but can't find a over all safe build for all races when your Protoss. Is there one? If not then that means for the newbies out trying to get better and are being told stick with one build are being told wrong? That means we should learn one build for EACH race until gold and or higher.

I am just trying to clear the air because nobody can seem to decide whats best. I just want to know what is the best build/s that will help me macro/ mechanics because the protoss help me thread doesn't cover that as i could find up to date. I just wanna start off on the right track.

CHEERS

Dimonrn

esReveR

United States567 Posts

March 31 2012 00:02 GMT

The beauty of Starcraft is that there is no one build that is safe against everything. That would make for a boring game, wouldn't it?

Most people start with 4 gate up through platinum. I personally hate that build, but it's easy to execute and somewhat works against most other builds you will encounter for all races.

mahi29

United States235 Posts

March 31 2012 00:09 GMT

imo, the safest build that you could attempt and be somewhat successful for all 3 matchups would be either 3-gate expand or 3-gate robo. Though honestly, you really should spend an hour or so getting 1 build/matchup down. Thats what I did and still do to get from silver to plat.
For me:
vT: 1-gate FE
vZ: FFE => +1 zealot/VR timing
vP: Stargate opening (1 gate SG)
But just check this thread out, if you haven't already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255

Fenneth

Australia354 Posts

March 31 2012 00:10 GMT

If your main aim is to become safe from cheese, 3 gate robo is pretty much uncheesable. You will end up behind against more economy-oriented builds however.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

March 31 2012 00:10 GMT

On March 31 2012 09:02 esReveR wrote:
The beauty of Starcraft is that there is no one build that is safe against everything. That would make for a boring game, wouldn't it?

Most people start with 4 gate up through platinum. I personally hate that build, but it's easy to execute and somewhat works against most other builds you will encounter for all races.

I disagree, however, a truly "safe" build will put you behind.
Builds like this are great on ladder though, since it will help you practice your lategame more consistently!

gate robo gate is super safe vT, FFE is pretty much safe vZ, defensive 4gate is pretty much safe vP

Fenneth

Australia354 Posts

March 31 2012 00:13 GMT

I will say that builds such as 1 gate expand vs T or FFE vs Z, while they should be safe with good play, are very vulnerable to cheese if your builds and mechanics are not yet solid.

mahi29

United States235 Posts

March 31 2012 00:14 GMT

On March 31 2012 09:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
FFE is pretty much safe vZ

Ehh, I'm not super sure about that one. Yeah, if you scout well, FFE is safe against zerg but you need to be able to figure out if a roach-ling all in is incoming or a baneling bust. If you can do that, yeah I agree FFE is the way to go against Z. If not, you can lose a lot of games and be confused as to what went wrong.

magicaljobo

Australia113 Posts

March 31 2012 00:28 GMT

I would learn the 3 gate robo build. It's a very good build which can be aggressive or defensive and you should not lose to cheese. It's useful against all races which will help you concentrate on you mechanics and get that nailed down.

It's true that you will be behind if the opponent goes 1 gate expo or something(once you scout this just kill him) your goal seams to be to improve your mechanics/learn the game; not to do the best build for the situation..

Therefore you shouldn't worry if you are at a build order disadvantage until your much better; when you have solid mechanics. Right now just focus on macro. Once you are very confident with this build try to learn a more economic build; maybe 1 gate expo or something.

oOOoOphidian

United States1402 Posts

March 31 2012 01:18 GMT

On March 31 2012 09:14 mahi29 wrote:

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You can FFE and drop 4 cannons and be safe against most all-ins. To do that blindly is pretty bad and against a good zerg it will put you behind if they are not attacking you early on, but in low leagues that doesn't matter at all.

Janders

Mexico222 Posts

March 31 2012 01:24 GMT

#10

On March 31 2012 09:10 Clarity_nl wrote:

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A well done 1 gate expo pvt is safe vs everthing and obviously dosent set you behind...

VoirDire

Sweden1923 Posts

March 31 2012 01:27 GMT

#11

[G] Safe PvX openings:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266786

EDIT: Do this for pvz instead:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309780

Areon

United States273 Posts

March 31 2012 01:44 GMT

#12

You shouldn't even be asking this question given how obvious the answer is. The only way you can be "safe" from everything is to have detection, and you do know the Protoss tech path that gives you a detector, right?

Joke thread... oh and before you troll me, yes you can use cannons for detection from DTs/cloaked banshee too but that's just hilariously bad. Unless you're going for a Forge FE the forge really isn't optimal for any Protoss opener. Go Robo.

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ambikalx

United States30 Posts

March 31 2012 02:13 GMT

#13

i think 3 gate expo is the most recommended build to use in all 3 matchups in order to learn the fundamentals of the game. i 3 gate expo into robo all the way to platinum. once the build order became completely natural to me, i started learning new builds such as the 1 gate fe against terran and ffe against zerg. i think it wouldve been too much for me to learn all the different build orders. it was hard enough for me to 3 gate expo without making mistakes. furthermore, you cant really understand scouting information when you're in gold or below, so you cant make build decisions that well.