On March 24 2012 04:34 MrHoon wrote: I miss the days when me and like 5 people were the only KT fans, cause the rest jumped ship after ra/yellow/reach/chojja left KT
now theres like a million of us
Yeah there's a reason for that. KT was an awful team and I remember hating them a lot when I first joined TL. I only wore the tag to support Flash. It's only when Stats arrived that things turned around.
I hate SKT1 because all of their fans are protoss (read: Bisu) fans. There are very few Fantasy fans, odd given that he's their best player. I naturally gravitate towards KT because they have Flash, who is generally tasked with defeating protoss on the highest stages. However, Flash alone isn't enough for me to consider myself a KT fan. So I put ACE as my favourite team to show BW love.
I should be a CJ fan in all honesty--I liked Leta ever since his hite sparkyz playoff run. I liked much in the MSL and iris in the gomtv classic (and a great msl series with bisu). I rooted for skyhigh in his reverse all kill of hwaseung in winners league. But alas, I watched individual leagues (starting end 2007/start 2008) first before I got into proleague. I am a fantasy fan, first and foremost, ever since he almost walked the royal road.
I don't really hate any teams or fan base, but I voted SKT fans because I always get lumped with bisu fans due to my skt tag.
On March 07 2012 01:08 DropBear wrote: From someone who hates both of them, Flash fans are FAR worse.
Bisu fans: YAY BISU WON I LOVE BISUUUUUUUUUUUUU YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY HE IS THE BEST
Flash fans: I knew he was going to win before the game and anyone who didn't think so too is mentally retarded. In fact anyone who thinks that Flash has even the remotest chance of being beaten and isn't the best at every single facet of the game ever and that anyone might ever conceivably come within spitting distance is a sociopath, has a small dick and is illiterate.
The anti-fans are about even.
I also hate both, down with both
except Fantasy.
I hope Khan wins this season
It was slightly more vitriolic than I care for, but I basically agree with all of this, especially the championship hopes.
Why do people have a chip on their shoulder about fans being fans? I'm a Flash fan* and I die a little inside whenever people try to look cool by putting down "Flash fans." I find that more obnoxious than even the most obnoxious fan... it's a damn StarCraft site after all. First of all, most fans are nice so leave them out of it, and secondly, doesn't BW need all the enthusiasm we can give it right now?
I'm sure you'd like it if your favorite was just totally kicking ass. And I'm sure you'd hate it if suddenly half of TL was saying, "man, fans of [your favorite team] are so obnoxious." It's just a way of trying to look cooler than the crowd, but really 99.9% of the crowd is cooler than that one dude who was pissing you off in the first place.
* And a fan of Jaedong, Stork, Jangbi, Stats, FBH, Bisu, Best, Fantasy, Kal, Action... :D
On March 24 2012 04:34 MrHoon wrote: I miss the days when me and like 5 people were the only KT fans, cause the rest jumped ship after ra/yellow/reach/chojja left KTF
Since you're just asking for attention here, I don't feel bad about fixing your post
Don't think that nobody was out there lurking for KTF in the Nal_rA days.
On March 24 2012 01:55 Kimaker wrote: I don't hate any of the teams or their fans. I DO however hate certain players and their fans.
I hate Fantasy and I don't have a good reason. I just hate his dumb gawky face.
Flash Fans tend to bandwagon, you saw the same thing with Jangbi for awhile. Love both the players, but I seriously doubt some of their "fans" sincerity.
Why would they lie about being fans lol
I'm referring to fair weather fans. Not the actuality of their fandom.
I don't know, maybe I'm too new to the scene to have any hate for any of the other teams, but if I were to guess which team gets the most hate it would probably have to be KT just because they are on top right now, and they have Flash. Kinda surprised by the most liked poll, didn't think that CJ would be that low
On March 24 2012 05:30 Djabanete wrote: Why do people have a chip on their shoulder about fans being fans? I'm a Flash fan* and I die a little inside whenever people try to look cool by putting down "Flash fans." I find that more obnoxious than even the most obnoxious fan... it's a damn StarCraft site after all. First of all, most fans are nice so leave them out of it, and secondly, doesn't BW need all the enthusiasm we can give it right now?
I'm sure you'd like it if your favorite was just totally kicking ass. And I'm sure you'd hate it if suddenly half of TL was saying, "man, fans of [your favorite team] are so obnoxious." It's just a way of trying to look cooler than the crowd, but really 99.9% of the crowd is cooler than that one dude who was pissing you off in the first place.
* And a fan of Jaedong, Stork, Jangbi, Stats, FBH, Bisu, Best, Fantasy, Kal, Action... :D
On March 24 2012 04:34 MrHoon wrote: I miss the days when me and like 5 people were the only KT fans, cause the rest jumped ship after ra/yellow/reach/chojja left KTF
Since you're just asking for attention here, I don't feel bad about fixing your post
Don't think that nobody was out there lurking for KTF in the Nal_rA days.
I don't know, I am of the opinion that nothing bad can come out of a little friendly rivalries/bickerings.
Im getting used to being called a Bisu-fan, and i imagine most other's don't have a problem being a "Flash fan" or some such either.. It's true after all? ^_^
On March 24 2012 05:09 Ideas wrote: for the poll of which team's fans you hate the most, you need a separate option for just the woooooooooo guy that cheers for CJ at SPL matches.
Oh, golly yes: if he counts as part of "CJ fans" that's a really easy question to answer.
But you can say the same thing for just about any other team that has a strong following.
Asking KT/Khan/CJ/SKT fans to be humble? Not going to happen. If there is one thing that hasn't really changed. It's how hardcore the fanbase truly is.
I criticize KT's bad play when I see it and I applaud KT's good play when I see it, just as I do for any other team. People dismiss me when I applaud KT for being a "blind KT fan boy with out logic", and people dismiss me when I criticize KT for "shitting on the players and the other team to demean their achievement". I don't know what you mean by being "humble", being a "fan" means you have to be fanatical about it, that's where the word comes from. I would like to consider myself someone who likes to watch BW who likes KT as a team, that's all, I don't like KT to the exclusion of other teams / players, I think choosing to do that / hate on other teams is a terrible idea unless there's legitimate moral or legal reasons why I should.
On March 23 2012 09:36 plaszczka wrote: geez, i don't think it has any sense to argue about who's biggest hater in there. e-sport and classic sport is the same for fans. failures and achivements of teams and individual players are like failures and achivements in devoted fan life. i love fcb and will always say, that real is a bunch of silly kids who cant play when anything goes wrong i hate france football and will always believe that zinedine zidane was overrated and so i always did believe that khan is the strongest team without just one player - i saw their strenght in many unorthodox players that learn a lot from solid veterans. nowadays i see khan as the strongest since i watch BW and i will find every argument there is to prove that kt and skt aren't worth gold
hate for enemies is just part of sport - no mather what sport or country you're in
Hate for enemies is also what traditionally defines and drives communities apart to conflict even though it's entirely possible for people to at least maintain a civil community regardless of emotional investment on any side, and it's advantageous to all parties to do so and it helps maintain the quality of discussion, enjoyment, and group solidarity. I guess we aren't there as a civilization yet, but I can dream can't I.
Poll: Would you rather see player / team hate go away?
No, I rather be a senseless fanatic (30)
75%
Yes, I'm a sensible civil person (10)
25%
40 total votes
Your vote: Would you rather see player / team hate go away?
(Vote): Yes, I'm a sensible civil person (Vote): No, I rather be a senseless fanatic
KT. A team that once brought me smiles ("KTFlash", "Flash needs to switch to another team", "is one win too much to ask?") has been annoyingly good in the last few years. My favorite LR threads were often those involving KT or Oz (a more severe case).
Favorite team? Stars. They have the best uniforms.
On March 24 2012 00:31 Kibibit wrote: I think all non-Khan fans are completely insufferable. EDIT: Except for ACE Fans, which should be everybody anyway.
[team] anti-fans: I knew they were going to lose before the game and anyone who didn't think so too is mentally retarded. In fact anyone who thinks that [team] has even the remotest chance of winning a game and isn't the best team in every single facet of the game ever and that anyone might ever conceivably come within spitting distance is a sociopath, has a small dick and is illiterate.
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