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On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:08 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 09:04 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:03 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:57 Ballistixz wrote:
i dont get it, why is it legal at all to FOLLOW someone in the dead of night? isnt that, stalking.....? what the fuck would you do if you had someone you dont know following you around at night? who is to say martin wasnt trying to defend himself? a wierdo he doesnt know in his late 20s was following him around practically stalking him after all.
why is that an "ok" thing to let go or ignore? seriously? No, it is not stalking. Why would it be illegal? I certainly would not assault a stranger, pin them to the ground, and beat them in the head while they scream for help because they followed me or asked me what I was doing. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing and I hope I never meet you if you think that is normal behaviour or acceptable in any way. If you lived in that neighborhood you might think differently. Edit: Have you ever been to Miami? So if he went to Miami he would learn that it is normal and acceptable to pin someone to the ground and beat them in the head because they followed you and asked you what you were doing? You're not making much sense here. so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"? also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY?
Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered.
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On March 23 2012 09:31 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses. Who didn't actually witness anything. Except they saw two people fighting? They don't know who was screaming either, they assumed to know, and it seems like cops helped their assumption, which is pretty sad.
How can you "not actually witness anything" and then say they saw 2 people fighting? They do know who was on the bottom screaming because they guy on top got shot. So yes we do know who was beating who.
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On March 23 2012 09:19 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:08 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 09:04 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:03 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:57 Ballistixz wrote:
i dont get it, why is it legal at all to FOLLOW someone in the dead of night? isnt that, stalking.....? what the fuck would you do if you had someone you dont know following you around at night? who is to say martin wasnt trying to defend himself? a wierdo he doesnt know in his late 20s was following him around practically stalking him after all.
why is that an "ok" thing to let go or ignore? seriously? No, it is not stalking. Why would it be illegal? I certainly would not assault a stranger, pin them to the ground, and beat them in the head while they scream for help because they followed me or asked me what I was doing. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing and I hope I never meet you if you think that is normal behaviour or acceptable in any way. If you lived in that neighborhood you might think differently. Edit: Have you ever been to Miami? If I lived in that neighborhood I would be happy to see people like Zimmerman who were looking out for my safety, and would have no issue engaging him in conversation if he asked me what I was doing. Uh, what would've caused you to assume that he was looking out for anyone's safety in this scenario? All you know is that some big, not necessarily friendly looking guy is watching you intently and then starts following you for no particular reason. It's late. Maybe you've had some bad experiences or happen to know it's a crime-ridden neighborhood. It might even have been apparent that he was armed. Anyway, it seems almost impossible to figure out exactly what went down based on the witness testimonies at this point. At the very least he should've been arrested, considering he didn't comply with the 911 operator's request and just made a big hole in the chest of an unarmed boy.
I would find out that was his intention after I spoke to him like a civilized human.
I don't see how anything Zimmerman did justified making a preemptive attack on him. Continuing to beat him in the head when he was already knocked down and screaming for help makes it even harder to justify.
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On March 23 2012 09:31 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Saryph wrote:
The police really screwed up here, if you look into the story, the police had the child's cellphone, and did not even attempt to contact the family. The family of the child went three days searching for their child before finding out he was dead, all the while the police were sitting there with a phone with 'dad' and 'mom' on the contact list. i find this incredibly hard to believe. three days not knowing where their kid was or what happened? the kid went to visit a friend, left the house, he was talking to the girl on the phone when it went down supposedly, she told him to run away, the kid is shot, the police come to the neighborhood and everything gets cordoned off (sirens, yellow tape, the whole works). you dont think the girl or her family would figure out what happened that same night? you dont think they would tell the parents? come on people, use your brains. • What happened to Martin's cellphone? Reports abound that Martin's parents were not informed of his murder until they contacted police to report him missing, despite having his cellphone is feeding further scepticism about the police's conduct. It led New York Times columnist Charles Blow to tweet on Monday urging his followers to make his Tweet trend "Where is Trayvon Martin's cellphone?" Right there the article linked from the OP claims that the Martin family did not find out until they tried to report Treyvon missing. Admittedly almost all the articles on the issue have some sort of bias in them, but apparently there was enough of a buzz that a New York Times columnist posted on twitter about it.
well, explain to me how the girl (not sure if just a friend, or a girlfriend) could be on the phone while it was going down and tell the kid to run away, but not know that something happened to him that very night (even 10 minutes later when you hear the sirens)? i would think she would contact the family, or at the very least tell the cops who the parents were.
i dont believe everything i read. and this just smells like bullshit to me.
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On March 23 2012 09:31 liberal wrote:
So those who think Zimmerman wasn't the one screaming, I'm trying to understand how you see this happening... Zimmerman was doing what to make the kid scream? Pointing a gun at him for 30 seconds until he screamed and got witnesses attention and then shot him on the ground unprovoked and unarmed? Was he pummeling the kid while he screamed for help and then after beating him up decides to shoot him dead? I'm just having such a hard time picturing any scenario where this makes sense.
if someone points a gun at you, you would not scream for help? you would just stand there with a derp look on ur face?
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On March 23 2012 09:08 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:06 FullNatural wrote:
46 calls in 10 years is nothing. I call and report freeway fires, suspicous people, people smoking weed/dealing drugs, abandoned cars etc. Maybe its because I'm a security guard and it's hard for me not to act like one in my off time. But I call 911 or non emergency police about 10+ times a year in my personal time.
also that zimmerman dude is the only one who committed a crime. RIP kid. I bet the cops laughed at you. At least thats what they do here. Hahahahah
Why would they laugh? Call enough times and shit gets done. Now theres a nightly patrol outside my apartment and nobody is smoking weed/dealing drugs out there anymore.
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On March 23 2012 09:32 winter017 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:21 Zaqwe wrote:Zimmerman's account of self-defense is corroborated by a witness who saw Trayvon attacking Zimmerman while Zimmerman was pinned on the ground screaming for help. All the way back on February 27th, the local Orlando Fox station interviewed the witness who dialed 911. Almost none of the thousands of articles since have mentioned any of the details described by the witness. Some, however, have attributed false statements to this witness. On March 16th, the Sanford police department released new details to the Orlando Sentinel. Once again, these details have been ignored or changed by the media. - The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
- The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
- Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
- Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.
The neighborhood this took place in has seen a lot of crime. Would you be surprised to learn that there were eight burglaries, nine thefts, and a shooting just in the past year? In fact, the local homeowners' association reports that George Zimmerman actually caught one thief and aided in the apprehension of other criminals. The Miami Herald wrote about this on March 17th. None of the thousands of articles and cable news segments that came after, thought this was important. http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin Self-defense means fuck-all if Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Why? because Trayvin can claim this moronic Castle law also the only difference is he wasn't armed with a gun. How would you feel if a much larger individual was following you on late at night? Thats what seems to be lost in this case. The police said he didn't need to follow him let alone confront him. I'm not advocating the notion that you need to hold back but if you are given the option of not initiating the confrontation in the first place, you, in a society of laws are obligated to not initiate the confrontation.
castle law/doctrine refers to protecting your home, etc. it does not apply here. you can be the initial aggressor and still claim self defense in limited circumstances.
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On March 23 2012 09:31 liberal wrote:
So those who think Zimmerman wasn't the one screaming, I'm trying to understand how you see this happening... Zimmerman was doing what to make the kid scream? Pointing a gun at him for 30 seconds until he screamed and got witnesses attention and then shot him on the ground unprovoked and unarmed? Was he pummeling the kid while he screamed for help and then after beating him up decides to shoot him dead? I'm just having such a hard time picturing any scenario where this makes sense.
Or how about they got in a fight where the fat old guy got his ass kicked by a young football player and while he was screaming for help he was scared for his life and he shot the guy.
zimmerman was bloodied and injured when the police found him. The story fits completly and the story that martin's parents tell keeps changeing. Even if the law wasn't clearly in his favor for this the court case would have been hard to prove him guilty of anything more then manslaughter.
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Nancy Grace: Team Liquid Edition
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On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses.
The only people to say they identified the screams are Zimmerman claiming it was him, and Martin's Father claiming it was his son on the tapes. The witness reports don't really say one way or the other yet.
I just stated my opinion that after listening to the call, that it's more plausible to me that the screaming is Martin. Like I said, just an opinion.
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On March 23 2012 09:32 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:08 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 09:04 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:03 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:57 Ballistixz wrote:
i dont get it, why is it legal at all to FOLLOW someone in the dead of night? isnt that, stalking.....? what the fuck would you do if you had someone you dont know following you around at night? who is to say martin wasnt trying to defend himself? a wierdo he doesnt know in his late 20s was following him around practically stalking him after all.
why is that an "ok" thing to let go or ignore? seriously? No, it is not stalking. Why would it be illegal? I certainly would not assault a stranger, pin them to the ground, and beat them in the head while they scream for help because they followed me or asked me what I was doing. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing and I hope I never meet you if you think that is normal behaviour or acceptable in any way. If you lived in that neighborhood you might think differently. Edit: Have you ever been to Miami? So if he went to Miami he would learn that it is normal and acceptable to pin someone to the ground and beat them in the head because they followed you and asked you what you were doing? You're not making much sense here. so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"? also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY? Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered.
i know it has been answered, but i am asking YOU why you think that is an ok thing to do? what in your mind beleives that its ok even if you think he was a gangster or a suspicious person? vigilantism is not a good thing for very good reason. it puts yourself and everyone else involved in danger.
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On March 23 2012 09:39 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses. The only people to say they identified the screams are Zimmerman claiming it was him, and Martin's Father claiming it was his son on the tapes. The witness reports don't really say one way or the other yet. I just stated my opinion that after listening to the call, that it's more plausible to me that the screaming is Martin. Like I said, just an opinion.
There are links a few pages back that give witness accounts that say it was zimmerman on the ground.
You dont exactly scream for help when your beating someone.
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On March 23 2012 09:39 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:32 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:08 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 09:04 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:03 Zaqwe wrote:
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No, it is not stalking. Why would it be illegal?
I certainly would not assault a stranger, pin them to the ground, and beat them in the head while they scream for help because they followed me or asked me what I was doing.
I don't know anyone who would do such a thing and I hope I never meet you if you think that is normal behaviour or acceptable in any way. If you lived in that neighborhood you might think differently. Edit: Have you ever been to Miami? So if he went to Miami he would learn that it is normal and acceptable to pin someone to the ground and beat them in the head because they followed you and asked you what you were doing? You're not making much sense here. so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"? also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY? Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered. i know it has been answered, but i am asking YOU why you think that is an ok thing to do? what in your mind beleives that its ok even if you think he was a gangster or a suspicious person? vigilantism is not a good thing for very good reason. it puts yourself and everyone else involved in danger.
I have every right to ask what a person is doing in my neighborhood. Why would I question my neighbor, or a mother with a baby in a stroller about what they were doing in my neighborhood?
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every fucking day some shit like this happens, it makes me sick
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On March 23 2012 09:43 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:39 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:32 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:08 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 09:04 Wrongspeedy wrote:
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If you lived in that neighborhood you might think differently.
Edit: Have you ever been to Miami? So if he went to Miami he would learn that it is normal and acceptable to pin someone to the ground and beat them in the head because they followed you and asked you what you were doing? You're not making much sense here. so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"? also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY? Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered. i know it has been answered, but i am asking YOU why you think that is an ok thing to do? what in your mind beleives that its ok even if you think he was a gangster or a suspicious person? vigilantism is not a good thing for very good reason. it puts yourself and everyone else involved in danger. I have every right to ask what a person is doing in my neighborhood. Why would I question my neighbor, or a mother with a baby in a stroller about what they were doing in my neighborhood?
and your willing to follow someone for several blocks with a gun to do that because....?
if you really want to go on with this, how do u know it wasnt martin that was acting in self defense?
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On March 23 2012 09:39 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses. The only people to say they identified the screams are Zimmerman claiming it was him, and Martin's Father claiming it was his son on the tapes. The witness reports don't really say one way or the other yet. I just stated my opinion that after listening to the call, that it's more plausible to me that the screaming is Martin. Like I said, just an opinion.
And the marks on zimmerman suggesting he was in fact on his back in the grass and punched in the head? And the person who claims to have seen that? Was zimmerman just casually lying on his back pointing a gun at the kid while the kid screamed for help? Or was the kid punching zimmerman in the head while screaming for help?
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On March 23 2012 09:41 Lockitupv2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 09:39 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses. The only people to say they identified the screams are Zimmerman claiming it was him, and Martin's Father claiming it was his son on the tapes. The witness reports don't really say one way or the other yet. I just stated my opinion that after listening to the call, that it's more plausible to me that the screaming is Martin. Like I said, just an opinion. There are links a few pages back that give witness accounts that say it was zimmerman on the ground. You dont exactly scream for help when your beating someone.
You can't take the eye witness account you like and choose that one as fact. There was more than one eye witness, although it seems they caught the fight at different times. And I would assume that some are conflicting, as that is the nature of the beast.
Just saying, I wouldn't keep quoting that as if it is gospel.
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On March 23 2012 09:44 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:43 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:39 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:32 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:08 hunts wrote:
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So if he went to Miami he would learn that it is normal and acceptable to pin someone to the ground and beat them in the head because they followed you and asked you what you were doing? You're not making much sense here. so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"? also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY? Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered. i know it has been answered, but i am asking YOU why you think that is an ok thing to do? what in your mind beleives that its ok even if you think he was a gangster or a suspicious person? vigilantism is not a good thing for very good reason. it puts yourself and everyone else involved in danger. I have every right to ask what a person is doing in my neighborhood. Why would I question my neighbor, or a mother with a baby in a stroller about what they were doing in my neighborhood? and your willing to follow someone for several blocks with a gun to do that because....?
But he didnt follow him for several blocks......
Because Zimmerman was the one on the ground.
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On March 23 2012 09:46 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:44 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:43 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:39 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:32 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:31 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:25 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Ballistixz wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:14 Ballistixz wrote:
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so if someone was following u wielding a gun, u would just think "oh hey, he is a nice guy"?
also, him being pinned to the ground getting beat on is not fact. even if it was then it could also easily be interpreted as self defense since the guy was stalking him with a gun. thats why the "stand your ground" rule is flawed... I know plenty of people who carry and they are nice people. Carrying a gun doesnt make a person bad. Witness said that it was Zimmerman on the ground. so what...? knowing someone with that carries a gun=/= not knowing someone that is carrying a gun. he could easily be out to rob you or something, you have no clue. why the hell just assume someone that is following you with a gun and that you DONT KNOW is a good guy? you honestly sound like someone who can easily be robbed if you are that damn naive.... And you sound like someone who screams murder when they see a gun. How would he know if he had a gun in the first place? People you pass in the street outside could be carrying and you wouldnt know. As I said, carrying a gun doesnt make you a bad person. someone following u in a car, continues to follow u for a good while, then gets out of his car and starts to run after you. good guy right? ya, idk what to say to you really. sure a gun doesnt make you a bad person, but you are completly ignoring the actual facts of what happened. the guy only had tea and skittles. why would u think he was "up to no good" or "is on drugs" in the first place? why would u feel the need to chase him down with a gun? WHY? Read the thread before posting, most of those questions have been answered. i know it has been answered, but i am asking YOU why you think that is an ok thing to do? what in your mind beleives that its ok even if you think he was a gangster or a suspicious person? vigilantism is not a good thing for very good reason. it puts yourself and everyone else involved in danger. I have every right to ask what a person is doing in my neighborhood. Why would I question my neighbor, or a mother with a baby in a stroller about what they were doing in my neighborhood? and your willing to follow someone for several blocks with a gun to do that because....? But he didnt follow him for several blocks......
he still followed him and even ran after him.... if someone chases after me then i will be prepared to defense myself.
do you now know the problem zimmer man has caused? if he simply did not follow and let the police handle it then a innocent kid would be alive right now.
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On March 23 2012 09:45 dp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:41 Lockitupv2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2012 09:39 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:27 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 09:24 Fyrewolf wrote:On March 23 2012 09:19 Wrongspeedy wrote:On March 23 2012 09:16 Saryph wrote:
I like how when you're faced with the story of 'a guy in his late 20s follows an underage minor in his car, gets out and chases him down with a gun, and in the end it comes down to a confrontation where the man shoots the child' you have people taking the side of the man in his 20s with the gun, and criticizing the underage MINOR for defending himself.
If you were 17 and someone twice your size was chasing you with a gun, would you not consider him a massive threat to your life?
It seems as though the SYG law applies to the child and not Zimmerman. If he had killed Zimmerman instead I wonder if the police would have arrested him.
He probably did not even reveal the weapon until he used it or Tray found it on him. But its pretty irrelevent because it would be scary regardless of whether you could see if he was armed or not. When I hear the 911 tape of his death, I hear the sound of sheer terror in the voice of the one screaming for help. I think it's because he saw a gun and knew he was about to be shot. Just my opinion though. That was Zimmermans screams as said by witnesses. The only people to say they identified the screams are Zimmerman claiming it was him, and Martin's Father claiming it was his son on the tapes. The witness reports don't really say one way or the other yet. I just stated my opinion that after listening to the call, that it's more plausible to me that the screaming is Martin. Like I said, just an opinion. There are links a few pages back that give witness accounts that say it was zimmerman on the ground. You dont exactly scream for help when your beating someone. You can't take the eye witness account you like and choose that one as fact. There was more than one eye witness, although it seems they caught the fight at different times. And I would assume that some are conflicting, as that is the nature of the beast. Just saying, I wouldn't keep quoting that as if it is gospel.
But im not cherry picking.
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