EPTMarine killed by O.C. sheriff’s deputy - Page 4
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Dranak
United States464 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:09 shizna wrote: oh right yeah.... the driver was driving near a school at 4am.... be broke the midnight curfew therefore he deserved to die? your argument is pathetic. the only explicable defense would be if the police officer believed the man to have a gun or weapon and posed an imminent threat to his safety or the safety of the passengers. nothing has been said to indicate anything of the sort, therefore that police guy has no defense. Where did i say he deserved to die? Your reading ability is pathetic. | ||
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Draft
United States26 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:20 Dranak wrote: Seems like we don't really have enough information to form an actual informed opinion on the appropriateness of the officer's actions, and as such this thread doesn't really have a purpose. Thank you, the videos and articles tell nothing of the events that transpired. The article said he was acting strangely, and ignoring police commands. Especially after his driving alerted the police attention. I'm not agreeing lethal force was necessary, but the police did feel they were looking out for the public's safety in preventing him from driving away. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Also, seeing as you are from Romania, shouldn't you be a little accustomed to this? Particularly 40 or 50 years ago. | ||
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hongo
207 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Where did this happen? America? Also, seeing as you are from Romania, shouldn't you be a little accustomed to this? Particularly 40 or 50 years ago. Yeah, it happened in America, secondly, what the hell does that even mean? It's likely the person you're talking to wasn't even alive at that time. Does anyone actually think about this shit before they say it? It's mind-boggling how stupid some people sound after their knee-jerk reactions. Sweeping generalizations about a country someone is from, stay classy. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:43 hongo wrote: This is a tough situation... The man could have easily had a gun in the car. Ideally he could have tazed him I suppose. But yeah, I agree with everyone else, we need to information before we can really form opinions. The articles explicitly state the man was unarmed and the incident was not drug or alcohol related. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
Here is a link to another case where a man was pepper sprayed for several hours til he died of a heart attack. http://www.care2.com/causes/florida-man-tortured-and-pepper-sprayed-to-death-by-police.html | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
If you suggest that in every case some1 who doesn't obey police orders and then goes in his car, after which not even FACING the cop should be shot dead....well...that's enough for me to talk with you. There was this thread a wile ago with that black dude with a weapon moving towards a cop, being killed instantly, I supported the cop's action on that event, but this one is just not right. I would bet a lot that we actually had a filming on the event you wouldn't see the cop killing the man justifiably. Nacl, heard that story, that is a serious case of...well horrible people, that are put in charge to serve and protect.. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I will say that the idea that there is more authoritarian brutality in the world now than 50 years ago seems laughable. The developed world has very little police brutality in the historic and worldwide context; people should really recognise how good we have things in the developed world. If we take America, it's not so long ago that a huge amount of the police were part of the KKK. In the UK there are things like Bloody Sunday and the like. In other countries there are other things - particularly in the former Soviet Bloc in Europe. In terms of the non-developed world ("developing" is typically a misnomer) I don't really see much of an argument for a change to the worse. Compare the likes of Mao or Pot to pretty much any current leader and the idea that it's gotten worse seems ridiculous to me. | ||
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Ungrateful
United States71 Posts
Teamliquid Respose - "Dumbass cop should have shot the guy dead on the spot." Reminds me of the superheros like Batman and Spiderman where they get criticisized for saving people. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:10 FuzzyJAM wrote: Seems very unlikely to be a just killing. Very sad all round. I will say that the idea that there is more authoritarian brutality in the world now than 50 years ago seems laughable. The developed world has very little police brutality in the historic and worldwide context; people should really recognise how good we have things in the developed world. If we take America, it's not so long ago that a huge amount of the police were part of the KKK. In the UK there are things like Bloody Sunday and the like. In other countries there are other things - particularly in the former Soviet Bloc in Europe. In terms of the non-developed world ("developing" is typically a misnomer) I don't really see much of an argument for a change to the worse. Compare the likes of Mao or Pot to pretty much any current leader and the idea that it's gotten worse seems ridiculous to me. I moved to the US from the Philippines a decade ago and the police are better here. I'd dispute the idea that there is more authoritarian brutality here compared to 50 years ago. People seem to have forgotten the MLK movement and the Vietname War protests. And 30-40 years ago, the Philippines was under martial law, so it wasn't better there either. What's happening really is that with the Internet, local news become worldwide. And developed countries, with developed media, get their news broadcast to the world on a much larger scale. These threads are always started by somebody in a different country than where the news happened, usually somebody with a chip on their shoulder regarding the country in question. | ||
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Asshat
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On a more serious note that is pretty messed up. Though there is a fine line police have to walk, as they are certainly in danger when people try to resist arrest. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32091 Posts
The only facts available to officer at the time: • Car enters a school at a high rate of speed at 4:30 am, crashes through a locked gate • Calls back up, and the man exits car, ignores orders, disappears on football field or something as cops set up perimeter • Unidentified man returns, ignores orders and proceeds to head back to car where two young, unidentified girls are sitting • Officer issues unknown warning (probably stop or you're gonna get shot), shoots. Going off of that information, it sure as hell seems likely that the cop is witnessing an abudction, the start of a murder, or a murder-suicide. Basically, something that is definitely not looking positive at all. Once that guy ignores orders and gets back in that car with two children, I think the decision is pretty obvious and the cops did the right thing. Up for debate would be why did they not have a tazer or mace ready when they found him again and he continued to ignore orders? I could see that being quite dificult to hit at night, possibly in a dark area, or maybe that department doesn't carry tazers. But that aside, once the guy is in the car, they gotta take him out. It's obviously really unfortunate, but to not do would have directly put those two girls at risk since they did not know his intentions at all. | ||
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Syracks
United States7 Posts
Something that you guys should remember, Cops are in no shit danger every time they pull someone over, if you comply with their reasonable requests then everything should be ok. I'm not saying all cops are perfect, but 99% of them are good people and dont want to hurt people unless they feel like their lives, or someone elses lives are in danger, and thats just the truth of it. real life isnt based on bad cop movies you watch on tv or in the theater. Semper Fi, RIP Brother | ||
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
although what happened was strange and he looks very suspicious. theres a such thing as "calling for backup" shoot the tires out of the car. follow him if he drives off if u cant keep him there,. but 1v1 cop vs random dude acting strange is not there job. add another cop to the scene if anything to verify hes acting strange. and the cop isnt being delusional. cops have protocal and this is what happens when its not followed. cop deserves punishment. ppl deserve rights and the right to be strange within those rights. the cop was out of place for not calling for backup. period. | ||
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mowglie
United States74 Posts
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:43 Syracks wrote: As a Marine Corps veteran, I can say this is sad, however, as a marine he knows what kind of threats people can be, He shouldnt have acted erratically, especially in front of his children. Its always sad to lose a brother, but he knew what he was doing, he knew the risks, for some reason he felt like he was untouchable, he was wrong. Something that you guys should remember, Cops are in no shit danger every time they pull someone over, if you comply with their reasonable requests then everything should be ok. I'm not saying all cops are perfect, but 99% of them are good people and dont want to hurt people unless they feel like their lives, or someone elses lives are in danger, and thats just the truth of it. real life isnt based on bad cop movies you watch on tv or in the theater. Semper Fi, RIP Brother this line " I'm not saying all cops are perfect, but 99% of them are good people and dont want to hurt people unless they feel like their lives" is rediculas. thats like saying all cable guys want nothing more than to fix your cable the right way. the first time. or every sales man wants your satisfaction with every purchase... its a man with a job and nothing more. ppl dont have jobs, they apply for watever they can and roll with watever they can get. im a cable guy now, spent 4 years in the airforce. applied for security job positions and debated law inforcement. but im just a regular guy with a smart ass foul mouth and sometimes pops off at my wife for little reason cause im human. open your eyes the cop was was unstable and unprepared for the situation/job and handled it completely wrong. this sucks yes. nothing more to say about the situation | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32091 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:48 Warillions wrote: PEOPLE DESERVE RIGHTS AND THE RIGHT TO BE STRANGE WITHIN THOSE RIGHTS! although what happened was strange and he looks very suspicious. theres a such thing as "calling for backup" shoot the tires out of the car. follow him if he drives off if u cant keep him there,. but 1v1 cop vs random dude acting strange is not there job. add another cop to the scene if anything to verify hes acting strange. and the cop isnt being delusional. cops have protocal and this is what happens when its not followed. cop deserves punishment. ppl deserve rights and the right to be strange within those rights. the cop was out of place for not calling for backup. period. Did you miss the part of the story where he called for back up? Plain and simple: the dude got shot because he drove through a gated fence, acted erratically after ignoring several orders, and then entered a car with two young children. Cops will always take decisive action when the suspect does something that could potentially harm other people. They may have not thought he was armed outside of the car, but they have no way of knowing if he had a gun in the glove compartment and was going to shoot the kids and them himself, drive into a telephone pole, etc etc. It went from being a situation with a dude acting weird but not outwardly agressive, to a situation where he is now drawing two other people into the situation. | ||
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