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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:56 BlackJack wrote: Who are you to say what represents a legit threat? You = the cop in this video I dunno how that incident is relevant to this case. It's a different scenario and we don't even know what happened here yet. | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:11 bOneSeven wrote: we probably won't know anyways..that is a good clue that who's at fault..I feel like most people who defend the cops are americans...If "shiting" on cops who commit haneous acts is wrong...then I ff this... Maybe if the article had something.... Hmmmm what to people call it outside of America? In America it's called information. You obviously have come to your own conclusion without considering all of the facts, so why make a post on a forum to spark discussion? It doesn't matter what anyone says because obviously whether it is justified or not, you are going to hate law enforcement. There is nothing wrong with 'shitting' on cops who do horrible things. In fact, if a cop does something and he deserves to be put in jail, yay! He's a scumbag. But until we have information, we don't know if he is a scumbag or not. | ||
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FrodoAndTheSlobStix
United States158 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:11 bOneSeven wrote: we probably won't know anyways..that is a good clue that who's at fault..I feel like most people who defend the cops are americans...If "shiting" on cops who commit haneous acts is wrong...then I ff this... If not shitting on cops over an incident we don't know enough about is wrong... then I ff this... whatever that means. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:04 KryptoStorm wrote: Man I love how this video gets posted in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the cop brutality style threads. This happened, one in a million, so now cops automatically shoot people if they feel at all threatened. Strong logic. One in a million? Man you are so naive! This one just happened to be "perfectly" captured on camera. Cops are murdered every single day in America so maybe you should do a little backtracking before you open your clue less mouth. Police generally don't shoot people who aren't posing some type of serious threat. Try minding your mouth about incidents in which you clearly know nothing. To the OP: That you feel like you have the knowledge to even attempt to comment on the circumstances of this incident seems like another attempt to create drama and the whole "US police are pigs" argument. Maybe if there were anything in this article AT ALL regarding the circumstances of the shooting could you try to say something.....but there absolutely nothing. Kind of pathetic that you have nothing better to do then to stir up trouble and arguments. Edit: It's really entertaining as well how everyone shitting on the cops is falling into the persuasive words of the media: "Marine with 1 million acts of goodness in Korea! Oh boy he must be the victim of some dirty scumbag out-to-murder pig of a cop!" I mean if they worded it in any more of a biased tone then maybe people wouldn't quite so blind. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:43 adwodon wrote: wow thats really absurd. Here in the UK we have armed officers, they go out on patrol sometimes, they are armed with tazers, submachine guns & 9mm handguns, in my home town of Nottingham, which is famous for knife / gun crime there hasnt been a single shot fired on duty by armed officers. Tazers have been used, and if a situation is looking to turn violent a tazer will be called in. It strikes me that arming all officers with handguns will inevitably lead to people getting needlessly killed, just because the officer will feel overconfident and get himself in situations where he has to use it or he will misread a situation and open fire believing he was acting appropriately, and those thankfully very very rare but unfortunate cases where an officer is abusing his power. Obviously we don't know the full situation, and I do often feel like theres an antipolice sentiment to this kind of news whenever its done, especially in the UK and 99% of the time the officer wasn't acting out of malice or anything, he just responded to a situation in a way that he felt was appropriate with the tools he was given. Guns are legal in the states. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
moronic cop + gun = bad stuff | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
Did I say US Cops are pigs ? No, I said police men who commit horrible acts are pigs, feel like a rather knee-jerk reaction to say that people hate cops when they criticize the bad ones + I for one criticize police training and hiring modality. I know a few cool cops here, maybe a lot are in the US as well, probably way more cool cops, but that doesn't mean you can't say the shity cops are shity. I'm always against generalizing, but if 95% of a specific group or bad people, let's say 95% of them are bad people and 5% are good, let's not say "well not all of them are bad so don't go generalize", let's just say how it is. Do I feel like I have the knowledge about it? No, but seeing that there is not a huge deal of information on this case, it only directs me to the reasoning the it was the cops fault. Whenever, information on a specific thing is poor, usually the authorities are at fault, because they are known for covering things up for not messing up their image. ( I hate these hollywood clishees, but when do you hear in a police station? : Bob did horrible thing, let's give the media good coverage on how our police deprtament failed in this case ) | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:56 BlackJack wrote: Who are you to say what represents a legit threat? You = the cop in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc Exploiting the video of the officer's death to serve as an argument. You, sir, are a king amongst crooks. Not shooting a suspect that grabs a gun is different from shooting an unarmed man with his two daughters in the backseat of the car. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46579 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:38 feanor1 wrote: Its not like he was just sitting in his car. The opening post not very informative, almost deceptive in nature. He was apparently acting very strange, and who drives to a football field with their daughters at 4AM, crashes through the chain gate, leaves them in the car and disappears for 5 minutes. If I am the officer I am extremely concerned for the kids as he is coming back to the car and not responding to police orders and trying to get in. I mean that seems to scream suicide, suicide murder or something. Hopefully his daughters age 14 and 9 will be able to explain. Either way feel terrible for them, seeing your father shot has to be one of the worst things that could possible happen to a child. This needs to be explicitly added in to the OP, or else we're going to have another shitfest about how police officers *always* abuse their power. This was clearly not an abuse of police power. EDIT: Case in point: On February 14 2012 21:38 shizna wrote: as rediculous as it sounds, i don't think police should be allowed to wield a gun until they've been trained to the level of harry callahan. moronic cop + gun = bad stuff | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:56 BlackJack wrote: Who are you to say what represents a legit threat? You = the cop in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc That is possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever watched. Did they catch the guy? Did the Cop someone manage to live? If you're not doing anything wrong then you don't have anything to worry about. Just comply with the officer's commands/orders/requests, and everything will work itself out. Whether you're right or wrong doesn't matter in the moment. The only thing that matters is that you and the officer remain safe. Everything else will work itself out. | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
It's like comparing smoking weed to dealing heroin. | ||
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Treva
United States535 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
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PanzerPony
85 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:27 Joedaddy wrote: That is possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever watched. Did they catch the guy? Did the Cop someone manage to live? If you're not doing anything wrong then you don't have anything to worry about. Just comply with the officer's commands/orders/requests, and everything will work itself out. Whether you're right or wrong doesn't matter in the moment. The only thing that matters is that you and the officer remain safe. Everything else will work itself out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Dinkheller I actually thought the cop was an idiot in this video. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what happened. So, first he yells at an old man. Why yell? Cuz he can? Nothing ever is achieved by yelling. Then old man does something weird, and a cop ( a huge muscular guy as far as I can see ) keeps yelling instead of grabbing the old man, and just restraining him by force. The cop had a dozen opportunities to prevent escalation of the situation. I still feel bad for the cop. Also, I think in different countries the attitude of police to using force on duty is different. As much as Russian police is known for its brutality, I don't think any people actually get shot by mistake. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:27 Joedaddy wrote: That is possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever watched. Did they catch the guy? Did the Cop someone manage to live? If you're not doing anything wrong then you don't have anything to worry about. Just comply with the officer's commands/orders/requests, and everything will work itself out. Whether you're right or wrong doesn't matter in the moment. The only thing that matters is that you and the officer remain safe. Everything else will work itself out. The officer got shot in the eye and the culprit was caught and sentenced to death in 2000. On February 14 2012 22:35 bOneSeven wrote: Oh dear god, that dude just compared this marine who didn't even take notice of the police officer's existence with a guy who directly insulted a police officer and then went and took a gun from his car ...... ? Of course that guy should have been shot dead, you don't go in police officer's face saying shit, and then even TOUCH a gun and not expect to get a bullet to the head. It's like comparing smoking weed to dealing heroin. The guy in the video didnt do anything too until he climbed back into his truck...to pull out a rifle. How would you know that the marine has no rifle too? | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:27 Joedaddy wrote: That is possibly the most disturbing thing I have ever watched. Did they catch the guy? Did the Cop someone manage to live? If you're not doing anything wrong then you don't have anything to worry about. Just comply with the officer's commands/orders/requests, and everything will work itself out. Whether you're right or wrong doesn't matter in the moment. The only thing that matters is that you and the officer remain safe. Everything else will work itself out. They caught the guy, he is on death row in Georgia, he has not been executed yet. The cop was wounded in all his extremities, and then Brennan walk up and shot him in the eye, killing him. Worth noting this was not a traffic cop, so really had no experience in any situation like this. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:02 plogamer wrote: Exploiting the video of the officer's death to serve as an argument. You, sir, are a king amongst crooks. Not shooting a suspect that grabs a gun is different from shooting an unarmed man with his two daughters in the backseat of the car. You've completely missing the point. "Not shooting a suspect that grabs a gun" is not the mistake the officer made. So according to you, the mistake the officer made is that he missed his shots? No. The mistake is letting him get the gun in the first place. It's incredibly ridiculous to say that a cop can't shoot the guy reaching for the gun, he has to wait until the guy has the gun and is about to blow his head off. | ||
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