EPTOn January 30 2012 07:24 stormchaser wrote:
Why would cella coach players of other teams?
also its probably a possibility idra doesnt get coaching too.. i hope they get boxers attention.. gl for both of them!!!Why would cella coach players of other teams?
because of friendliness duh!!
Huk and IdrA in Code A; "Zerg doesn't beat Toss" - Page 4
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ambient_orange
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:25 BrauL wrote: For all the people ragging on IdrA and trying so hard to prove him wrong or start some kind of ZvP argument, do any of you actually know what it's like to be playing in the ABSOLUTE TOP of the Korean ladder? The metagame in top Korean play might actually just be in favour of Protoss right now IdrA's comment could just be a reflection of that. Idra always complains about ZvP. When Korean ZvP was universally considered imbalanced during spring-summer 2011 he still believed it was P-favored. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:25 betaflame wrote: Well, Nestea and DRG also said they feel like zvp is hard for zerg right now... So it's not just Idra. Exactly. Completely ignoring what people have hated idra for in the past, this is still valid, even if it's coming form him. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:24 stormchaser wrote: Why would cella coach players of other teams? I think thewind helped liquid players when they asked him I think, jinro said on his stream that he gave him some advices for tvz iirc But yeah not many coaches will help foreigners imo, they have enough work with their own players | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:19 Dbla08 wrote: lol so many people hate idra for no reason at all. you must hate the majority of the pro's in the gsl then too, quit hating for no reason like mindless sheep and actually think, the zvp match-up has been nerfed 3 times in a row for zerg (the patches obviously didn't have fucking up the matchup in mind, but this is just what happens in the development of a good rts.) with immortal range increase, infestors getting raped up the butthole by the nerf stick with neural parasite range to 7 and fungal dps getting reduced (which is so much bigger than people thought it would be, you need an extra fungal to kill almost every core unit other than marines and i think sentries) and protoss got cheaper upgrades. all of these (plus the probably 40-60% fault that goes to maps, as in most balance situations) have added up to the match-up being very very hard for zerg compared to the 60-70% winrates the pro zergs (and a lot of lower leagues as well I'm sure) enjoyed before. i don't think it was necessary to make the protoss ups cheaper, other than shield upgrades omg so expensive before, and they're not good unless using very specific unit comps or super late game. i also think neural parasite was a micro inducing aspect of the game (which most agree, makes the game better as it allows skill to become more of a factor) when it had 9 range. it made infestors do things other than fungal and poop wish-we-were-as-cool-as-marines to make pseudo forcefields, when neuralling it then puts them at risk of being sniped, but not being killed before the np even lands while casting from the back of your army like now. and it forced protoss to tactically use blink, instead of either blinking everything forward, or blinking to keep as much damage on the shields as possible. Some of those with negative comments are Idra fans like myself. Although I often find it hard to be his fan when all he quits games he has won or complains about balance instead of saying how he is trying to get over the hurdle. He has the attitude of a loser and until that is fixed I doubt he will ever reach his full potential. He is better than he used to be but he still seems to have some distance to go. | ||
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Sleed
Canada181 Posts
IdrA: Well, Zerg doesn’t really beat Protoss right now. People will accuse me of bitching, but that was the general opinion expressed by all the pros in the group selection as well. The matchup is absolutely awful, but I hope I’ll win anyway. IdrA should seriously stop saying that Z can't beat protoss because it is obviously untrue and he loses credibility everytime he says that. Maybe he hasn't heard of players such as Stephano, DRG, Leenock... He has three solutions: 1) Improve, 2) Stop whining 3) Stop playing. IdrA is a good player and he could be much better but his attitude is getting boring. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:25 BrauL wrote: For all the people ragging on IdrA and trying so hard to prove him wrong or start some kind of ZvP argument, do any of you actually know what it's like to be playing in the ABSOLUTE TOP of the Korean ladder? The metagame in top Korean play might actually just be in favour of Protoss right now IdrA's comment could just be a reflection of that. So people should just accept that ZvP is "awful" and Zerg "doesn't beat Protoss", because they aren't in KR GM? Both DRG and Nestea expressed sentiments that ZvP is hard at the moment, but neither of them are as black and white as Idra always is. Until Idra can break through this mental block he will never beat Koreans consistently. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
Uhh I don't think it works that way :/ They already gave them a roof over their heads, cella's time is spent coaching the players of his own team. Any time spent not doing that, would be a waste. Just because they are friendly, doesn't mean this isn't a competition haha | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:27 pPingu wrote: I think thewind helped liquid players when they asked him I think, jinro said on his stream that he gave him some advices for tvz iirc But yeah not many coaches will help foreigners imo, they have enough work with their own players You'd think that EG would have drafted that into their agreement. Some sort of coaching help... it sucks that they can be over there in a Korean environment and still not get everything the Korean players get. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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thegiantnome
United States125 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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sinii
England989 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:25 BrauL wrote: For all the people ragging on IdrA and trying so hard to prove him wrong or start some kind of ZvP argument, do any of you actually know what it's like to be playing in the ABSOLUTE TOP of the Korean ladder? The metagame in top Korean play might actually just be in favour of Protoss right now IdrA's comment could just be a reflection of that. The problem with this is that through thick and thin, ups and downs, highs and lows of the ZvP match-up idra has stood firm on Protoss being the absolute worst thing to happen to Zerg. This is no new take on the current game, hating on Protoss is idras thing and I'v seen him hate on them since the start of beta, so forgive some fans for beginning to grow a bit tired of it. The fact of the matter is this, PvZ has been a matchup that has swung either way (mainly in Zergs favour statistically), there's no telling which way the meta game will swing it next, and whichever way it does happen to swing it is nothing to do with either races ultimate power, it just happens to be how the game is according to current play styles and map pools. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:31 sinii wrote: The problem with this is that through thick and thin, ups and downs, highs and lows of the ZvP match-up idra has stood firm on Protoss being the absolute worst thing to happen to Zerg. This is no new take on the current game, hating on Protoss is idras thing and I'v seen him hate on them since the start of beta, so forgive some fans for beginning to grow a bit tired of it. The fact of the matter is this, PvZ has been a matchup that has swung either way (mainly in Zergs favour statistically), there's no telling which way the meta game will swing it next, and whichever way it does happen to swing it is nothing to do with either races ultimate power, it just happens to be how the game is according to current play styles and map pools. So what you're saying is at the time of the interview Idra's comment has some validity. Got it. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
I think Idra is most likely whining about the fact that protoss has a unit that changes the map design in their favor regardless of what map he choses to play. When the zergs strongest strategy is to try and force a base race scenario with mutas then the army to army balance is clearly not where it needs to be. | ||
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United Kingdom1219 Posts
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