EPTWhy are English casts so "newb" in comparison? - Page 4
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
Jeez. 'HE GOT THE SPIRE' - nope. Then 30 seconds of screaming 'THE SPIRE IS DYING'. Thanks. Great analysis. SO what's happening with the marine tank push behind this?? I'm learning a lot! Most casters ARE brain dead, teach you nothing about the game, on IPL just now they admit they don't know if upgrades effect Raven turrets - they would if they ever saw a replay 6 months ago of Mass Ravens [in pro games] but clearly they don't stay with 'what's hip' and came out of nowhere to blab on a mic for 60 minutes a day. | ||
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Vinland
Argentina136 Posts
Casters may focus too much on giving (or trying to give) an entertaining cast, but forget that analisis is also an important part in describing the game. The problem is that to make that kind of analisis you need a huge amount of general knowledge of the game, diferent builds and timings of each race, and that can only be gained by hard work, analizing tons of replays and studing different kinds of game styles. Players already have all that info on their head, so that kind of stuff comes naturally from them. Casters need to work on it. | ||
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Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
I prefer english caster to the french one. But its depent on the caster. I think nobody can be day9 or tartosis. But I dont like the others. | ||
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
BW has been played over 10 years and casted for just as long. BW somewhat has been, for the lack of better term, "figured-out or textbook'ed". It is alot easier for someone to be very analytical with BW compared to SC2 where the trend is always twisting and unstable. Truth be told, Korean SC2 casters aren't that splendid. Granted, they're ALOT (significantly) more analytical than English cast, however, they aren't always correct (Very unlike bw-counterparts and annoys me to death). | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
I particularily enjoy GSL English casting. I really like the whole feel of their casting and their style. It makes me almost feel like I'm there, or a part of it because of the way they speak to viewers and eachother. I can listen to games without ever actually watching the video part and still enjoy them. I feel like there is a good amount of strategy talked about as well that helps me understand what's going on. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy it as much if it became purely analytical. I really like analyses, but I think they have a time and place and I don't think live casting large tournaments is that time/place. | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
On January 26 2012 10:55 StRyKeR wrote: I noticed this in BW. Korean commentators would spend 75% of time on in-depth analysis of the game, less than 10% on what's happening on the screen, and the rest on jokes / related builds / events / backstory. Was always amazed by how much the commentators knew. I guess you know the language very well?  | ||
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Nick.TNA
209 Posts
Most are. You and Day9 are both very unique though, and don't attempt to copy other casters, and use their bandwagon slogans. So props on that TB  . Personally I enjoy player casters, they are much more knowledgable, I would rather see Idra or Huk or MC or someone over even tastosis any day. Not only do fresh personalities bring a lot to the table, they just explain things on a much deeper level. They've played the same situation out thousands of times, there is just simply no way that full time casters that don't play much can compete with that.Someone whos amazing at analytic casts is Grubby. That guy not only has a spectacular personality, he can explain why a play is doing something pretty much in every situation, at least every time i've seen him cast. | ||
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sparC
Germany162 Posts
On January 26 2012 10:12 Leviwtf wrote: People want different things from a cast, some people want in depth analysis and strategy talk, others want to get excited and just let the game be enjoyable to watch. Its impossible for a caster to appeal to everyone. It would be interesting if you got hard data on this, for example in a cast of 10 minutes how many actual seconds is spent on each of your categories? The percentages you wrote are somewhat out of thin air and very dependent on the particular caster. yet, you have to admit, that you rarely ever see an english cast analysing the game/builds/timings (edit : in depth and through out a game). just because one caster can't fullfil every demand doesn't mean they should completely give up on certain aspects or every caster going with the masses. most of the times i will mute the cast after a while, because it gets boring. imo a cast should add instead of amplify what i already see. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Keep in mind that not only did Korea master playing Starcraft over the span of over a decade, they also mastered the art of broadcasting and commentating it. Hopefully with enough interest in SC2, the quality of English casts will eventually catch up to that of other languages, though this will take the hard work of all casters to up their game. Although I don't know Korean, I often do hear how exquisite Korean casts are compared to English casts from the posts of various Korean-understanding TL members. I watched the recent interview with Hwanni, and he greatly praised  TheMarine for being such a hard-working, knowledgeable caster during the WCG SC2 games.TBH, although I am satisfied with the current state of English casting, I hope that casters will strive harder to improve themselves. | ||
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Nick.TNA
209 Posts
On January 26 2012 10:25 Eknoid4 wrote: And tastosis doesn't have hardly any player/game insight that they offer (regardless of what they KNOW, they are too busy telling us that you don't wanna fight 1 stalker with 2 unstimmable marines) Artosis has a good bit of game insight, however tasteless is just oblivious lol. At this point I feel like hes riding on past success and knowledge, which of course, is very transferable to sc2, but all he can do is playbyplay and humor. | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
I dont know about casts in other languages cause I dont understand what they say, so cant really compare how the stack up against english language casts. But the korean casts sure sounds good, especially in pro league. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 26 2012 11:02 Nick.TNA wrote: Most are. You and Day9 are both very unique though, and don't attempt to copy other casters, and use their bandwagon slogans. So props on that TB . Personally I enjoy player casters, they are much more knowledgable, I would rather see Idra or Huk or MC or someone over even tastosis any day. Not only do fresh personalities bring a lot to the table, they just explain things on a much deeper level. They've played the same situation out thousands of times, there is just simply no way that full time casters that don't play much can compete with that.Someone whos amazing at analytic casts is Grubby. That guy not only has a spectacular personality, he can explain why a play is doing something pretty much in every situation, at least every time i've seen him cast. It should be fairly obvious to anyone that a pro player will have much more insight than a caster. If you're a full time caster, you do not have time to be a full time player and vice-versa, as a result players have strengths casters do not and casters have strengths players do not. There are some players who cannot string a sentence together and have the personality of a hunk of plywood. There are some casters who serve to do nothing but irritate the shit out of their viewers. | ||
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
-Spent a full 3 minutes introducing the players (After I skipped about 12+ minutes of player intros, mind you) -Making vague references most people wouldn't get -Silence. More than any caster(s) I've ever seen -Giving a poor analysis of how the Zerg would defend a push that wasn't coming -Talking about map aesthetics, doodads, etc. -Laughing to themselves and not even putting the camera on the major timing attack of the midgame -More silence I don't see what the hype is. Sometimes I envision myself casting the same games I watch as they play out, and while I obviously have a biased opinion, I feel I could often do a better job. Maybe one of these days, I'll grab a mic and some vods, throw it to the internet and watch. But that's another story. | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
Also, playing random is bad. If a caster is reading this then pick once of the races, watch some replays of pro players and copy one or two builds per matchup. Then go on ladder and practice over and over until you get very good and get high up in the leagues. Then once you are decent with one race switch to another and so forth until you can play all three races. It's already hard enough to learn 3 matchups not to mention 9 at once lol. Also, once you get good at one race you should be able to transfer the mechanics to another race easily. I'd recommend playing zerg first or terran as these two take more apm then protoss. In terms of actual quality of casting, I have recently been watching a lot of the Australian Open tennis tournament and I have to say this year its not as bad but usually the commentators say the most RETARDED things in between points and it absolutely drives me crazy. They say pointless things just for the sake of saying it. The commentary of sc2 matches is far and away better than the commentary of tennis and tennis is a sport with many millions of dollars in the industry so I think we should he happy that we arn't that bad. However, there is room for improvement and casters just need to learn how to play the game well and overall you should see a big improvement in quality of casting. | ||
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stra
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
Everyone and their mom (amateur casters, IPL casters, NASL casters + more), love to try to imitate Tastosis because they believe them to be wildly successful - which in a sense they are. But this leads to all these casters using corny jokes, saying random word or phrase X then ending it with the word man. Saying unit Y "are pretty good." And calling everything that is slightly interesting "sick" or "baller." "I don't know if he can do it MAN." "Yeah voidrays are pretty good" "That was a sick build MAN" "He's soo goood" Then they'll add in random jokes using the keyword "Like" - in particular Tasteless/Orb/Painuser will do this quite often "MKP was so LIKE give me your nerd tears MAN" (hard to explain but you might know what I mean) | ||
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
On January 26 2012 11:04 eviltomahawk wrote: I think that with enough time, the English casting will eventually catch up in quality to the Korean casting. Keep in mind that not only did Korea master playing Starcraft over the span of over a decade, they also mastered the art of broadcasting and commentating it. Hopefully with enough interest in SC2, the quality of English casts will eventually catch up to that of other languages, though this will take the hard work of all casters to up their game. Although I don't know Korean, I often do hear how exquisite Korean casts are compared to English casts from the posts of various Korean-understanding TL members. I watched the recent interview with Hwanni, and he greatly praised TheMarine for being such a hard-working, knowledgeable caster during the WCG SC2 games.TBH, although I am satisfied with the current state of English casting, I hope that casters will strive harder to improve themselves. TheMarine, upon completion of Korean Military Service, came back as analytic caster and is accepted/loved by majority. He once revealed how he practices casting in a show called "Backstage Talk". He casts game after game alone without any sound. He tries to predict every game and see how much % he could predict it right. The flow, the Builds and ultimately outcome. This way, he can see if he is following the current trend of the game. Also keeps in check if his knowledge is uptodate with the rest of progamers. He concluded by saying he gets about 90%ish correct every practice cast. Pretty darn good I'd say. | ||
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