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Vague
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
January 26 2012 01:20 GMT
#21
For what is worth, I think that tastosis intentionally try to make a good chunk of their comments accessible to beginners. I guess that their idea is that by doing so they can get more people on board. Now, this isn't in disagreement with what you said, it is just to point out that there might be good reasons why they don't do hardcore analysis all the time.
On the other hand, it is true that some English commentators don't do hardcore analysis because the are incapable of doing it. I don't want to name names, but some casters are not good players themselves (and by that I mean not even masters level in NA and EU).
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:21:20
January 26 2012 01:21 GMT
#22
Question: Are the Chinese and Russian casts live like the English ones?
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
January 26 2012 01:25 GMT
#23
On January 26 2012 10:08 piplup wrote:
It's because everyone's trying to copy/one up tastosis


And tastosis doesn't have hardly any player/game insight that they offer (regardless of what they KNOW, they are too busy telling us that you don't wanna fight 1 stalker with 2 unstimmable marines)
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
January 26 2012 01:28 GMT
#24
English Casters are doing a great job and I think people just like to complain or just have a different taste. Just because YOU think English casters aren't up to par but that is just your opinion, i enjoy a ton of casters and their various styles.

Also I don't know any known caster who is trying to be tastosis... So many different casters out there have their completely different styles and flair that they bring to the game. There is a reason why you see these casters that ALL used to be nobody, they worked hard, got noticed, and earned their job.
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
January 26 2012 01:29 GMT
#25
On January 26 2012 10:20 ggrrg wrote:
You can't generalize "English casts". There are so many people casting in English and the differences between them are huge.
I'd agree that a wide range of casters seem boring/superficial/lack knowledge etc. However, Day[9] is top notch and I'm certain that his casting skills at least match those of other Chinese/Korean pro casters. Pretty much the same goes for Artosis. Not to mention that there are a bunch of English casters, who might not be overly analytical but still provide an extremely pleasant viewing experience.

btw German casters are terrible... Khaldor used to be very enjoyable in German, but nowadays he pretty much casts only in English.

so, in GSL, which is what this thread is about, there's tasteless, artosis, maybe doa/moletrap.... aaaand...?
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 26 2012 01:30 GMT
#26
I prefer Korean commentators over most of the current English casters, but I'd take a good analytical English caster over a language I don't understand. I can't stand listening to casters who have excessive filler talk. I need strong analysis :/. If I understoof Korean I would pretty much take Korean any day though, and this is the same for me in BW.
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RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
January 26 2012 01:31 GMT
#27
Breakdown of notable English-streaming Casters:

Great:
Artosis

Good:
Tasteless
Wolf
Apollo
German Dude w face piercing (always forget his name)
Mr. Bitter
Day-9

Okay:
Khalador
DJWheat
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
January 26 2012 01:32 GMT
#28
On January 26 2012 10:31 RinconH wrote:
Breakdown of notable English-streaming Casters:

Great:
Artosis

Good:
Tasteless
Wolf
Apollo
German Dude w face piercing (always forget his name)
Mr. Bitter
Day-9

Okay:
Khalador
DJWheat


How many of those cast GSL?

How many of those are as knowledgable as any single korean GSL caster was 5 years ago, let alone now?
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 26 2012 01:32 GMT
#29
This thread is horseshit. Sry but it really is.

OP pulls random numbers out of nowhere and I really lack more options in the poll.

Do we want more analytical casts? Maybe, but on what cost? You simply cant have it all. No one wants a 100% analytical cast.

I seriously doubt there are much better commentators out there than those casting in english.
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
January 26 2012 01:33 GMT
#30
On January 26 2012 10:32 Eknoid4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:31 RinconH wrote:
Breakdown of notable English-streaming Casters:

Great:
Artosis

Good:
Tasteless
Wolf
Apollo
German Dude w face piercing (always forget his name)
Mr. Bitter
Day-9

Okay:
Khalador
DJWheat


How many of those cast GSL?

How many of those are as knowledgable as any single korean GSL caster was 5 years ago, let alone now?


Only Artosis.
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:34:08
January 26 2012 01:33 GMT
#31
On January 26 2012 10:33 RinconH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:32 Eknoid4 wrote:
On January 26 2012 10:31 RinconH wrote:
Breakdown of notable English-streaming Casters:

Great:
Artosis

Good:
Tasteless
Wolf
Apollo
German Dude w face piercing (always forget his name)
Mr. Bitter
Day-9

Okay:
Khalador
DJWheat


How many of those cast GSL?

How many of those are as knowledgable as any single korean GSL caster was 5 years ago, let alone now?


Only Artosis.


Every single Korean caster is a thousand times better, more informed about the players, and more konwledgable than Artosis. Not to mention they STAY ON TOPIC.

Implying Artosis is as good as the best of the Koreans is like saying Idra is as good as Jaedong.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Rucho
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
January 26 2012 01:34 GMT
#32
I don't like it when people say "the BW casters are much more passionate" or whatever.

Just because they yell louder and more excitedly, it's not to say they are more passionate. It honestly seems a big forced when they go GEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE all at the same time. It's kind of like latino football casters shouting GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAL

I think it's mostly a tradition of sorts. Anyhow, I cannot comment of the quality of the informativeness of the korean commentators' casting. What I hear when i listen to BW casting is one of the commentators talking at length in the early game, while the other commentator responds "ne" again and again. Who knows, maybe some serious high level discussion is at hand. I don't know. What I do know however, is that there is definitely room for improvement from ALL English casters, even Tastosis.

I love their jokes, it's a big reason for why I watch GomTv. However it's also bothersome when they don't seem to be paying attention and miss details or the build order entirely. To get a glimpse of how could their casting can be, try watching them cast a PVP or another P matchup. Artosis sometimes doles out some knowledge of cutting edge PVP, and it's great to hear, even though I'm not a Protoss
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Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
January 26 2012 01:35 GMT
#33
I agree, i think we need more casters that are more like DApollo and artosis, the english scene is trying to become more professional, and that would mean having deeper indepth analysis -- not the opposite. For some reason there's some sort of perception that professionality is appealing to mass media.. it simply isn't.
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
January 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#34
On January 26 2012 10:21 willoc wrote:
Question: Are the Chinese and Russian casts live like the English ones?


The few times I've watched Russian streams it was a craftcup or some other online cup. I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the commentating, even if my Russian isn't all that great.
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
January 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#35
I understand that filling air is brutally difficult but sometimes I think that some of the casting pairs go overboard with the buddy-buddy stuff.
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:37:41
January 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#36
there is a lot of chaff around.... i haven't watched gsl for about 6 months, got tired of opening up a vod and discovering that it wasn't tastosis.

it's become suprisingly evident that to keep my focus on a stream, an entertaining commentary is equally important to the quality of games. not necessarily analytical or faff, just entertaining with a spot of improvisation.

there's nothing less entertaining than a caster that has a vocabulary consisting of 3 words plus the SC2 terminology handbook, who sweats awkwardly when asked to 'fill' a 30 second pause... FFS wing it... do something funny... don't just go "lets look at the liquipedia page to see the brackets... oh look he's done very well he's top of his group!"... that's not my idea of entertainment.

incontrol, apollo, totalbiscuit, day9 and tastosis are pure entertainment...
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 26 2012 01:36 GMT
#37
The 20% "in-depth" analysis is almost never actually in-depth and any platinum player could tell you the same things. I literally gain zero insight from watching most casters, and I'm not even that good at SC2.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
January 26 2012 01:37 GMT
#38
I unfortunately only speak English so I don't really have a standard of comparison.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
January 26 2012 01:38 GMT
#39
For me, GSL is one of the only places i can find any type of high quality commentary and analysis, but as you know its only from Artosis, because he loves the game so much, and truly understands how the game works, unfortunately Tasteless lacks the raw knowledge of the game compared to Artosis. I still think they are my favorite duo right now, and im not sure if its just because Tasteless is the play by play guy, or if he just doesnt play enough, but it feels like artosis is really the only one giving any useful info, again tho, still love them both. But i have to say, ive completely stopped watching any type of Vods, no husky, or HD, or day 9, or anything, they are all just too simple minded, and as a high Masters player, they are just stating the obvious stuff i already know. Frankly the only caster who really knows his stuff besides Artosis is Adebisi Starcraft, the guy really knows his shit inside out for all matchups. So right now i really feel stuck waiting for GSL to come on before bed, or Adebisi releasing some vods. Also the homestory cup for me was a real treat, hearing the pros actually talk about indepth tactics and nuances that regular casters just dont understand.

I just hope the level of commentary will rise with guys like Adebisi leading the charge IMO.
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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
January 26 2012 01:38 GMT
#40
Now that GOM has the option to watch the casts in Korean, that's all I do now. No offense to Tastosis, but the Korean commentators are so much more entertaining. I don't even speak Korean. You can really feel their energy though, and I think it would be even better if I could understand them.
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