NaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 166

On December 14 2011 23:11 justinpal wrote:


After reading this I wrote an email to GOM to cancel my year pass. Uninstalled my GOM player and plan to never watch GSL again. I unlike you don't need shallow reasons to buy passes, I buy them because I enjoy the games that are being played and have bought every pass even the GSTL pass that was $25.

On December 14 2011 23:04 Skaminator wrote:


Sen is Korean?

On December 14 2011 23:12 Mallidon wrote:
I can see their point of view. Naniwa was out, probe rushed to end his game quickly, and that doesn't make for good viewing. A true sportsman would probably have played out that match normally.

However, to ban him from the GSL based on this incident? If they had wanted to punish him, a fine or a warning or something would have sufficed. It's a bit of an overreaction to outright ban him imo.

I'd also add in that Naniwa's personality seems to be of someone who goes out to win and screw the niceties. In some ways he reminds me of a boxer or a UFC fighter. I can see why he'd do something like this in what he would see as a pointless match that he couldn't win anything from.

On December 14 2011 23:09 Skwid1g wrote:


No, not at all. He basically trashed everything GOM has done for the past year and acted like a child AGAIN. He's been repeatedly warned for behavior just like this and should have known very well that GOM wouldn't take kindly to anything like this, yet did it again. Yes, it may be a bit harsh, but it's better than letting him go with a warning. GOM has been very lax with the rules and tried to work with the foreign scene as much as possible, yet Naniwa's stunts both discourage GOM from reaching out to the foreign scene and make the foreign scene look like ungrateful and BM trash. I don't care how good he is at Starcraft, the studio is not the place to act like a child.

And no, please don't attempt to put words in my mouth. I'm happy because he deserved to be punished, that's the bottom line. I'm just saying that the quality of games won't really suffer. And at least Sen knows a thing or two about professionalism.

Don't get me wrong - I don't hate Naniwa (although admittedly I've never been a fan) but bm like that when you're supposed to be a foreign representative in a league like GOM is just ridiculous. I hope he manners up in the future (or at least hides it better) and continues to practice as hard as possible, but I doubt it'll happen.

On December 14 2011 23:10 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
LOL this thread is like a gigantic kindergarden and someone just took the favorite toy away.
Hahaha y'all just mad it is a foreigner, if it was any korean player with 0-10 record behaving like madonna you would be perfectly fine with it.

On December 14 2011 23:11 Daray wrote:


Im sure im too late already but you're wrong.

On December 14 2011 22:59 bkrow wrote:

The player is free to be punished by his team. It has nothing to do with GOM since he has not broken any of their rules. The rule they are applying is ridiculous and is being inconsistently applied across the board.

GOM doesn't get to decide the standard of games that players put out;

Don't talk down to "this generation" because it makes you sound like a pompous ass.

On December 14 2011 23:13 HappyChris wrote:


lol isnt that a lie. Didnt Naniwa win the Code S for being the highest ranked player not in code S. Just like DRG,MMA and MC did before him?

On December 14 2011 23:12 Umpteen wrote:


What exactly about the ensuing furore makes you think GOM got that call wrong?

I've read a good few of the 100+ pages of this thread and without exception those opposed to GOM's decision have focused on only a small part of the big picture.

Sure, the match didn't matter as far as Naniwa's chances in the competition were concerned. So if that's all you decide to care about, his decision was entirely reasonable.

But professional sport is not about pandering to one individual. In professional sport, everyone is in it together: players, spectators, organisers, officials - everyone. It only works if we all pull together.

Are victory ceremonies or in-game victory BM (to which this has been compared) against the spirit of the sport? No. Fans love that stuff; it foments rivalries, increase the spectacle. Obviously there is a point where they would become detrimental (literally pissing into your opponent's cubicle for instance), but right now, no.

Would Nestea going on tilt and 6-pooling in that same game be against the spirit of the sport? No. A 6-pool is a genuine, if desperate, attempt to win. It would at least show he cared.

What Naniwa did, on the other hand, was entirely selfish. He denied Nestea a chance to save face by earning a win, made his sponsors look stupid after they hyped the game, used the match as a platform to humiliate the organisers for their choice of format - a format he signed up for by choosing to take part, disappointed the fans who stayed up to watch - in short, he made it perfectly clear that the only thing he gave a damn about was himself.

If you think 'SC2-pro' is just a kind of unofficial league above GM, you're woefully mistaken. Doing anything professionally carries obligations over and above those attached to a recreational activity, because it's no longer just about you. It's about you and the people paying you. You can cook? Great! You want to be a chef? Better start adhering to health and safety and hygiene standards, and getting food out on time and on budget. You can take nice photos? Great! Want to be a wedding photographer? Then you'll be wanting insurance and a network of other pros in case you're ill on the day. You'll be multiply-RAIDing your hard drives, scouting venues, honing your interpersonal and organisational skills so that the wedding party have a great time and great pictures to take away and don't have to spend all day away from their guests.

You can play SC2 well? Great! You want to be a pro-gamer? You want a sponsor to pay you and ferry you around from tournament to tournament? You want fans who'll tune in and maybe buy the products you endorse? Then you act like you give a shit, 100% of the time. That's part of the job.

On December 14 2011 23:01 Rad wrote:
Question, does probe rush beat 6 pool? I've never tried it before but seems like it might if the probes are microed perfectly (and pulled here and there to regen shields).

I know he was just throwing the game but I wonder if this situation would be COMPLETELY different if somehow he pulled off a miraculous win (and the only win I can think of is if nestea went 6 pool and only had 5 drones vs 6 probes).

On December 14 2011 23:06 oban wrote:
How can anyone agree with Gom not only kicking Nani out of code S, but publicly insulting him as well? Seriously what kind of play ground bullies does this community consist off?

Gom is a joke organization run by clowns who demand professionalism from players, but don't act professional themselves. It'll be a cold day in hell before I support them again.

On December 14 2011 23:13 HappyChris wrote:


lol isnt that a lie. Didnt Naniwa win the Code S for being the highest ranked player not in code S. Just like DRG,MMA and MC did before him?

On December 14 2011 23:13 Inflicted_ wrote:


Now imagine if it were Boxer vs Yellow in a grandfinal of a starleague or some high-end tournament in a Best of 5 and Boxer had just bunker-rushed Yellow three-times in a row (and won), yet Yellow must continue playing out two more meaningless matches just because it's a Bo5. Would you actually be surprised if Yellow was frustrated enough to cheese or try out stupid strategies just so he could end it early and go home?

On December 14 2011 23:07 oxxo wrote:
Manner mules are not abusive.