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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:53 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:50 oban wrote:
Way too harsh of a punishment. GOM really are amateurs in every way possible and not worthy of hosting internatoinal tournaments. They fucked over Stephano last time when MC seemed to play to have DRG move to the next round. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the issue is racism. yes swedish genius disqualify a misbehaving white dude and invite another white dude to play totally racist
I've seen people misbehaving plenty of times in the GSL. Not to mention Idra forfeiting games, but apparently it's fine when Americans and Koreans do it, probably due to their partnership with MLG. Idra even put Zenio in the same group as MC and laughed about it afterwards. And he gets invited back into code S? Do you call that sportsmanship?
Gom is a joke organization. I'm sure racism is a big part of their decisions in the last few days.
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some translations from korean progamers' tweets
Nestea: I was upset because of my "out of my mind" play, by the time i got back to my mind my opponent does something out of his mind for me
ogsMC: I lost my words after watching the game. does he even know the word "professionalism".. my role model of having professional mind is Whitera. He really loves his fans, never gives up and is friendly to everyone. Does anyone not like Whitera? I hope Naniwa can learn from him. I dont think it was right if he just looks at it from his opponents point of view. If I were first and naniwa last in a group and I just typed in gg because it didnt matter anymore, he should think about what he d feel then feel. If he says it didnt matter because there was no money on the line, I really have nothing to say. I can only say you are not a professional.
Immvp: WTF -_-
MKP: (not sure if its about Naniwa but it was tweeted 22hours ago) hmm... I wonder what other pro gamers that wanted to play there, thought after watching the game.. I really wanted to play there too...
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On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples?
yes please more stupid examples, u simple-minded douchebag
the fact is what NaNiwa did was wrong and he was punished ... but stupid fanboys (who are as wierd as NaNiwa) will always find excuses for his childish behaviour
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On December 14 2011 22:02 XRaDiiX wrote:GomTV just back pedalling Uninviting Naniwa is the same thing as Revoking Code S Spot Sorry.. but just no
Agreed, they are trying to justify a dumb punishment. Makes little to no difference to me.
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I for one pay and expect to see real games happening not for wannabe's like Naniwa spitting in the face of everyone cause he is not "in the mood". I mean nobody would have messed with him if he did a 4gate, cannon rush, proxy gates, or stuff like that, EVERYTHING to show he had a desire to at least put up a fight. And this even wasn't a 12 drone rush or something that had at least a tiny chance of succeding. So yeah, he got what was coming to him, no need to defend him. You are a PRO player, ACT like one!
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Damn Nani.
Why oh why. you did this to yourself...
Manner up next time please
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On December 14 2011 22:05 bikefrog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:59 harobi wrote:
its good to always have standard, nice job GOM. just ignore this "i won't buy next gsl ticket " or "i will never watch gsl again" haters gonna hate. Yes, ignore a significant economic loss, Einstein.
Significant? How many people watch the GSL purely for Naniwa alone? Korea which has the largest viewership of the GSL strongly support this decision.
All in all it might increase the money GOM earns.
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On December 14 2011 22:05 Shewklad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:04 hubfub wrote:
can anyone actually link me to what he actually did? i'm not clear on this?? He probe rushed.
it wasnt a probe rush. he sent his probes to die without any micro
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On December 14 2011 21:58 tombola wrote:
I really had hopes that after Artosis said: "Don't get behind the players, get behind the tournament", people would take this piece of advice. Naniwa showed unprofessional behaviour and got punished for it, it's as simple as that.
Now why would I listen to an EMPLOYEE of gretech? haha
They should have found a better reason. Calling Naniwa amateur prize money hunter when he gave up money with the loss and inviting Idra that left Korea to win more money is just facepalm. From someone like Mr.Chae it's just insulting. Good bloody bussiness behaviour.
Yes, unprofessional but not against their rules. As much as they shove that one rule that doesn't fit in our faces.
Not like I was watching live much, being at work, but a VOD from time to time was nice. At least they have a procedure to terminate your account.
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So, how did HERO play? He didn't exactly try his hardest when he was 0-3
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On December 14 2011 22:06 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Yea, I have to say, with attitudes like this I would say Korea has about... two years... of SC dominance left.
You can't have a bad attitude about it like that and keep winning. It just won't work.
You're kidding right? Even foreigners know Naniwa has a ridiculously bad attitude, possibly the worst of any of the top gamers.
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This is straight from MLG's website.
The rules state that the highest placing non-Code S player to place within the Top 3 at each Event earns a seat in the next Code S tournament.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 tetsuo9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:02 XRaDiiX wrote:GomTV just back pedalling Uninviting Naniwa is the same thing as Revoking Code S Spot Sorry.. but just no Agreed, they are trying to justify a dumb punishment. Makes little to no difference to me.
Because unofficial statements from GOM represent GOM.
Good on you bud.
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On December 14 2011 22:06 ethos wrote:
What is so difficult about this.
Naniwa was disrespectful. Naniwa was sent to the corner.
You shouldn't be sad for Naniwa, you should be sad that it seems that esports has to raise other people's children.
You don't get on their stage and then in the middle of it decide not to play by their rules because your feelings are hurt, and then get away with it scot-free (this isn't even that big of a punishment, its only a month, unless I'm mistaken).
Gom has to be sure that the decisions that they make for the sake of the fans (format) are adhered to by the players that take their stage, even when you get the shitty end of the stick.
We all have to sacrifice sometimes.
Such is (adult) life.
Naniwa gets a free pass why? Because you like him?
Naniwa won his spot like DRG and MMA did before him. What did Idra and Sen win to claim that Code S spot?
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On December 14 2011 22:07 waNNabeGUY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples? yes please more stupid examples, u simple-minded douchebag the fact is what NaNiwa did was wrong and he was punished ... but stupid fanboys (who are as wierd as NaNiwa) will always find excuses for his childish behaviour
Those are all perfectly valid and poignant examples of what happened here. Spouting insults to people who fill you with cognitive dissonance doesn't change that.
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On December 14 2011 22:05 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:05 Magic_Mike wrote:
If Nani really didn't have a Code S spot then why did Chae feel the need to say that it was being revoked. Seems a little sketchy. Maybe he should have tried harder in his game but really, there was according to Mr. Chae, nothing in it for him anyway. If there is nothing to be gained, why try your hardest or even try at all? It is a complete waste of time. Since there was no code S spot being revoked I don't see why they had to say anything other than to be a giant ass and insult someone since it didn't matter anyway. That's like saying well "Well, I was going to give you this cookie if you do such and such but since you didn't you don't get it. Well, actually, I was never going to give you the cookie anyway." WTF. He never said it was revoked, 3rd party sources say so.
Sooooo, I'm starting to gather that this entire thread is a shitstorm created out of nothing?
Can someone please give me some cold hard facts here? All I feel I'm reading is rumour and confusion =/
Thread won't slow down for long enough for facts to properly come out though, freaking drama generators! D=
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Can someone explain to me why some people are bringing up racism? What the hell? If it was a Korean, the punishment would've been way harsher, probably banned for 2-3 seasons and no entry allowed to other GomTV tournaments. All NaNiwa got was a denial of direct Code S spot; he can still participate in the Code A qualifiers if he wants to.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:05 bikefrog wrote:On December 14 2011 21:59 harobi wrote:
its good to always have standard, nice job GOM. just ignore this "i won't buy next gsl ticket " or "i will never watch gsl again" haters gonna hate. Yes, ignore a significant economic loss, Einstein. Significant? How many people watch the GSL purely for Naniwa alone? Korea which has the largest viewership of the GSL strongly support this decision. All in all it might increase the money GOM earns.
Also take into account that Idra and Sen both have a huge fanbase.
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On December 14 2011 22:07 pookadin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:02 XRaDiiX wrote:GomTV just back pedalling Uninviting Naniwa is the same thing as Revoking Code S Spot Sorry.. but just no I didnt know you had a say in it?
As a GOM stream viewer and quite possibly a paying customer, he has a big say in it, thanks.
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On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples?
Could also ban Hero for going nexus first against MC in a pointless PvP since it's the same thing as naniwa did.. But that would be silly, yeah?
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