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Spaceneil8
United States317 Posts
On December 07 2011 02:41 Zuxo wrote: Totally agree with this statement since it is, according to me, the truth. Halo guys joke around about style, and everybody gets mad. PC guys cut to the chase and call Halo a joke, and bash it constantly, yet that's completely fine apparently. The hate here is a one way street I see. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
They aren't shitting on SC2 that much (at least in the first 10 mins that I watched). Basically all they've said is SC2 pros have no lives (which is true). After that they go on and bash their own community. Seriously this seems like drama for the sake of drama. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:31 Spaceneil8 wrote: Halo guys joke around about style, and everybody gets mad. PC guys cut to the chase and call Halo a joke, and bash it constantly, yet that's completely fine apparently. The hate here is a one way street I see. Exactly. It's fucking ridiculous how much communities hate on each other. If there's a market for a particular esport, who the fuck is anyone to shit on it? I'm so sick and tired of seeing this sort of nonsense. | ||
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DarK[A]
United States217 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:39 DoomsVille wrote: I don't see what the big deal is here. They aren't shitting on SC2 that much (at least in the first 10 mins that I watched). Basically all they've said is SC2 pros have no lives (which is true). After that they go on and bash their own community. Seriously this seems like drama for the sake of drama. Well I guess we could be more specific and say that members of Korean pro teams have no lives. *psst, Greg, that's your chance to chime in on team houses in Korea* | ||
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jaerak
United States124 Posts
They tell us to calm the fuck down because their video was a joke "out-of-context", but second later they declare that they'll continue to bash the SC2 community to help themselves. Starcraft 2 didn't grow huge because we bashed other games on the way to the top. We had strong leaders, a great game, and fans willing to work hard for progress. For the time being, it seems that Halo has none of that. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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Big.E33
United States27 Posts
On December 07 2011 05:50 Twistacles wrote: Okay, calling it a farce is harsh. Let me reword it. There is definitely a lot of skill involved. I won't dispute this. Perhaps it's my biased CS-competitive days, but I believe that the skill cap is inherently lower because of the physical limitations of a controller. It's a different KIND of skill-set, but I believe there's more room to GROW with the PC-model. It's not by some gargantuan margin like I made it seem, and I apologize, but it's still significant. sounds good, maybe I took your post a little too literally, regardless of the skill gap involved just like Acklete said those guys do not speak for all of us halo players, and most any halo player who appreciates Esports have become huge fans of starcraft because we enjoy people playing at a high level regardless of the game. I was blown away by the Quake 1v1 finals at Dreamhack and I really enjoyed them, but that didnt detract from my love for halo. We all need to support each other and I think Nexy may have went about things the wrong way but he is just trying to fire up the community and calling out the SC community may not have been the right way to do that. Regardless..... long live Esports!!!!! | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
Just let these Halo "pros" pretend they are competing in the real world and just ignore them. There is a reason their presence at MLG is suffering. It is because the game does not deserve to be there. At the very least, they will draw new people to real games that are being broad-casted alongside them. I think a point needs to be made about games like SC and CS. These are games that have huge skill ceilings are not meant for casual gamers to be competitive in. However, they are awesome for casual gamers to watch. Halo does not fit into that category. | ||
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Samp
Canada783 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:41 DarK[A] wrote: Well I guess we could be more specific and say that members of Korean pro teams have no lives. *psst, Greg, that's your chance to chime in on team houses in Korea* no lives? are you guys serious? they have plenty of friends and they have social lives, the only issue is girlfriends but I guess thats a sacrifice. And their job is way more fun than working 9-5 5days a week. If working your ass off in a boring office is what having a life is, that sucks. No life, thats probably the worst term ever created. Playing a computer all day is having no life but working in a office all day is having a life lol. Id rather have no life. And both options have friends, one of them just sucks. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
I'd love to watch Quakeworld/Quakelive/Team Fortress 2 matches played on stage though. | ||
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DarK[A]
United States217 Posts
On December 07 2011 08:02 Samp wrote: no lives? are you guys serious? they have plenty of friends and they have social lives, the only issue is girlfriends but I guess thats a sacrifice. And their job is way more fun than working 9-5 5days a week. If working your ass off in a boring office is what having a life is, that sucks. No life, thats probably the worst term ever created. Playing a computer all day is having no life but working in a office all day is having a life lol. Id rather have no life. And both options have friends, one of them just sucks. Well I think we're all speaking in a traditional sense... having a life = time spent away from the game. | ||
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claybones
United States244 Posts
At least we can all agree that COD is terrible | ||
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Bulldozor
Denmark74 Posts
Also i hope i don't have to point out that it is a guy with a sports tshirt/hat with glasses, a chubby guy in a hoodie and someone who lost their trimmer who's talking shit here, i bet they get mad strange. Furthermore it is a bit ironic that 3 people whose living depends on the success of Esports as a franchise, is judging the people who work the hardest to be the best at what the love, but also not slow to point out how Halo is more of a hobby than anything. Nice going boys! | ||
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InvXXVII
Canada242 Posts
The thing about Starcraft is that it tends to be seen as "just another game" to those who don't actually play it. People who don't play Starcraft tend to see it on the same level as Halo, CoD, WoW, LoL, etc. But that is where they are wrong. Starcraft is a very intellectually demanding game (raise your hand if you have already compared SCII to chess). Of course, when we say that to "normal" people, that would just add to our "nerdiness" and their opinion of us would just worsen. (and generally that leads to an argument). Personally, I think the best way to deal with these kind of people is to teach them how to play Starcraft. Show them that SCII is a lot of hard work, dedication, and is very intellectually demanding. It's not just infinite fun. So in general, you have to play SCII to enjoy it. And even those who don't end up sticking to the game show a lot of respect for it just because after their experience of SCII, they finally understand how uneasy a game it is. (My dad used to hate it, but now he understands because I taught him the game ^^) Also, I never do this and I'm usually very respectful towards others, but to the producers of that show, if ever you read this: f*** y** for disrespecting White-Ra. You can think some players are cocky, some are cheesy, some have no style, you can even say toss is imba, but NO ONE disrespects White-Ra. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3136 Posts
That being said, this kind of squabbling and name-calling between games is bad. The infrastructure and audience that each game creates indirectly and directly benefits other games. One game can forge the path and others follow in its footsteps. And even with one main dominant ESPORTS title, you can still have various smaller niche scenes under the umbrella of ESPORTS. Which is the main point I'm trying to make, I guess. We're all under the umbrella of ESPORTS, all nerds, and if there are divisions within that, they really NEED to be arranged in relationships of mutual benefit and aid, not mutual destruction. Having multiple games within ESPORTS helps to keep things fresh and draw in new audiences. It benefits all games and ESPORTS as a whole when a given game does well. If these guys really apologized, let's see some reconciliation, and move on. No need to make this any bigger than it has to be. In conclusion, in order to promote the cause of peace, I will post a happy, bouncy rainbow sheep. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) | ||
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Washington, D.C9935 Posts
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