I'm reading forums last few days and I concluded there is a big big hype about some bw players joining sc2. Thing which bothers me the most is why you even think they would "easy" dominate this scene. I saw many of you degrading wc3 players' skills even tho, best European players are from wc3, and not from BW. Likes of : Stephano, Empire.Happy,Empire.Kas,Grubby,ToD,NightEnd,SjoW,Naniwa,Thorzain,HasuObs,Satiini,Naama,SaSe,Lucifron,Vortix (any many more) actually played wc3. I don;t understand that bias. I was researching Korean scene and saw that actually only 3 players from wc3 transitioned fulltime in sc2 and thats answer why ex bw players so much dominate their scene. Only Check was actually good at wc3. (note that I dont count Moon,Lyn and Soccer as fulltime sc2 plaers cuz they dont it like that, they did some period 50-50 but now full wc3 until WCG). Zenio and Anypro did some good showings, they were good in wc3 but nothing exceptional. It would be like our wc4 scene was offensive about Nada, Flash,Jaedong or other would joined it. I wouldnt count them out cuz Grubby or ToD started wc4. I hope you understand me. I understand you are all excited about your bonjwas joining sc2 and I would like to see them in sc2 even tho I didnt played a single be game and dont really care about their bw success. But we (wc3ers) have our bonjwas who probably will never play sc2 but I wouldnt count them out immediately if they do. You probably arent aware how much is harder for players to do transitioning from wc3 then from bw. There are some thing you all used to do and we used to do. Holding supply on 50/50, build much less workers is only few thing which makes it harder. Note that this isnt sc2 vs bw vs wc3 thread, just wanna see your opinions.

blackbrrd

Norway477 Posts

October 25 2011 11:44 GMT

In my eyes there is no hate, maybe a bit of bias, but not that much. Good micro, but bad macro is something often attributed to wc3 players.

Kroml

Turkey308 Posts

October 25 2011 11:46 GMT

this debate is so 2010...

RevThirteen

Sweden116 Posts

October 25 2011 11:47 GMT

There's a bias because SC1 is way more competetive and requires way higher skill then W3. Even Naniwa, who did play W3 competetivly for several years said that he doesn't think W3 deserves to be a sport.

Subversive

Australia2229 Posts

October 25 2011 11:47 GMT

Yeah I'm not seeing the hate you speak of either. And not that many more pro sc bw players from Korea transferred to sc2 than wc3 players. They've just been overwhelmingly more successful.

Jakkerr

Netherlands2549 Posts

October 25 2011 11:47 GMT

the best BW players are really good, they won't dominate any SC2 scene for atleast a year if they switch tho.
There has never been any hate to WC3 players, but the transition from WC3 to SC2 is quite big since they are completely different games. The transition from BW to SC2 is still big but far less then the WC3 transition.

Also WC3 had quite a competitive scene, but nowhere near the BW scene.
More competition > More practice > Some pretty fkin good Koreans :p

HappyChris

1534 Posts

October 25 2011 11:48 GMT

I think the reason why wc3 players dominate the foriegn scene is becuase they were used to high level training and competition while the foriegn bw players really wasnt up there.

But yea the wc3 players are doing exstremely well compared to there bw brothers

DrGreen

Poland708 Posts

October 25 2011 11:48 GMT

Maybe because "WC3 requires half or less skill which is required to play SC2" - Naniwa.

BoB_KiLLeR

Spain620 Posts

October 25 2011 11:48 GMT

I'm also from Wc3 but haven't met any hate yet.

antilyon

Brazil2546 Posts

October 25 2011 11:49 GMT

#10

No hate, probably bias.
but its pretty much general consensus that BW is harder than WC3

KobraKay

Portugal4392 Posts

October 25 2011 11:49 GMT

#11

On October 25 2011 20:46 Kroml. wrote:
this debate is so 2010...

Actually more like 2007. This was debated when the game was announced and even more when the beta arrived.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

October 25 2011 11:49 GMT

#12

Polt was a WC3 player and has won a GSL.

The main reason a lot of BW purists hate WC3 players is because a lot of them are more micro-oriented than playing long, macro-style games that a lot of Brood War players bring.

Asha

United Kingdom38257 Posts

October 25 2011 11:51 GMT

#13

I don't think I've ever seen outright hate about wc3 players really, but there's some obvious bias kicking around at times given the communities origins.

People like to make War3 micro jokes every now and then, but given some ex-BW players macro I think you can just laugh it off =p

It's pretty obvious that in the foreign community it doesn't matter which game you came from, people from both backgrounds have had success.

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

October 25 2011 11:53 GMT

#14

On October 25 2011 20:49 Fionn wrote:
Polt was a WC3 player and has won a GSL.

The main reason a lot of BW purists hate WC3 players is because a lot of them are more micro-oriented than playing long, macro-style games that a lot of Brood War players bring.

you are right on the macro-style, but the average wc3 game lasted longer than the average sc2 game....since many sc2 games are decided by 1-2 major battles after teching up / massing units

the reason for that is actually quite simple: natural defense was insanely strong in wc3, there was literally no way you should ever lose a game early on

underscore

252 Posts

October 25 2011 11:53 GMT

#15

Agreed Nawe.
We shouldn't make fun of WC3 players because they have no skill but because they are so sensitive.

aendi

Germany43 Posts

October 25 2011 11:54 GMT

#16

On October 25 2011 20:48 DrGreen wrote:
Maybe because "WC3 requires half or less skill which is required to play SC2" - Naniwa.

so funny how much shit Nani is talking about wc3 when he was never actually good at it.
he still balancewhines every chance he can get.

so no, Naniwa is no authority about whether sc2 is actually harder than wc3.

Xenomorph

United States137 Posts

October 25 2011 11:54 GMT

#17

Does it matter either way? There have been many pro SC2 players that came from different games without skill in SC1.

nihlon

Sweden5581 Posts

October 25 2011 11:55 GMT

#18

On October 25 2011 20:46 Kroml. wrote:
this debate is so 2010...

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. This was like an issue in beta, not now.

Sbrubbles

Brazil5776 Posts

October 25 2011 11:56 GMT

#19

There is no hate on WC3 ... it's just that a lot of the people of these forums have no clue as to who the big names were in WC3, but know who the big names were in BW.

It's small wonder a BW veteran going to SC2 brings a lot more hype than a WC3 veteran.

marttorn

Norway5211 Posts

October 25 2011 11:56 GMT

#20

As many others have noted, there's not much outright "hate" against WC3, but I can imagine former BW players feeling like WC3 was a less skillful game, and thus dismissing some of it's players as less experienced in the RTS genre.

TeamLiquid was a Brood War centric site from the very beginning, so naturally there are more BW players, thus you may see some condescension towards WC3 as a whole. This is, of course, taken somewhat offensively by many of the WC3 guys that came with SC2. Not much more to it ^^;