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On October 06 2011 07:37 Zelthcon wrote:
@ Joshi
1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there.
2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map.
3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
ugh, admitting youve gotten accused for hacking in other games too doesnt help your case here man.
honestly im not sure what to think. apparently a lot of people think he hacks. People have submitted replays, screenshots, and have given a lot of evidence (not proof obviously because proof is near impossible to get in this situation) that he is a hacker. The way hes defending himself too is kinda iffy (for the post with all his red text). Most innocent people would probably say "im not sure why i doing *insert suspicious behavior* but I swear i wasnt hacking" for at least 1 of the pieces of evidence brought up against him. Instead, he comes up with detailed reasons for each point. Also, most innocent people wouldnt bring up the necessity of concrete proof all the time.
its interesting how many people are coming to his defense. with all of the things going against Zelthcon's case, the best he could really do is try to argue for reasonable doubt. that should be enough for most people to say "meh he might not have done it" and move on from the thread, but its interesting that there are this many people coming in here to defend the guy
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I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
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You are indeed innocent until proven guilty however you can be proven guilty. Let's do a quick overview of the evidence agaisn't him.
-Blindly 2 gate proxy the good base
-Losses don't make him loose points.
-Wins makes him win points
-Someone in his allegeted ex-team post a message implicating that he was kicked out for cheating.
-A few other person have seen the "hack" or "bug" in action
-User named Zelthcon on many hack sites over the internet while it is not a common name (this is not a very solid proof)
-There is a hack out there that does the exact same thing that the hack Zelthcon is allegated to use.
There is just to many evidence without enough counter arguments from Zelthcon. There isn't even doubt in my mind.
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On October 06 2011 08:13 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote:
Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument.. databases can have errors, bugs.
fixed for you, just because it was too funny to see "database's" from someone from england in a post
hope this adds to you're (sic) credibility
ps puns are awesome
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He doth protest 2 much.
Yeah, man. Is this the kind of gossip forum where someone gets slandered, then issues a thread response denouncing them? Honestly, hoped I found a lot more people here able to substantiate a, "Tie Bug Exists" argument. Then there would actually be a point to this.
Gossip and slander are only encouraged by this sort of thing.
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:
This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
You're seeking to undermine the most basic of guidelines to detect hacking. These are GOOD guidelines that discourage bad posts where somebody proxies and the other guy calls, "Maphax!" You haven't a leg to stand on. It IS self sufficient to see repeated uses of observation of base + army under fog of war and hidden drops to put up a name for consideration. If there's very few examples of this, the charge dies. Really digging yourself a hole here, making this post.
Back to my original point, the simple fact is that you are claiming to experience a bug SO RARE that of the tens of thousands (or more) of Starcraft 2 players on this website, nobody has experienced it except you. It's humorous! Go put in a bug report with blizzard and proudly copy paste their response here, if you truly are a maligned innocent. Keep sputtering on here if you still believe there is something to be gained by ... sputtering on.
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On October 06 2011 06:25 dichelloj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 06:20 Initiative wrote:I think your sig sums you up pretty well  Who are you to judge someone?
who are you to judge his judgement?
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On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
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I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
You wanna discredit my accusation of you (I mean zelthcon) being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts. You are just supporting someone with made up execuses that anyone can come up with on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against Zelthcon (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot, others with links of him posting on hacker forums).
You had respect for -orb-? but you just joined today? WTF? COULD THIS MEAN THAT YOU'RE ZELTHCON? no, probably a long time lurker.
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I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
Can provide links if needed.
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On October 06 2011 08:20 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:13 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:10 IplayTerran wrote:
Those 5 womens would lie because you payed them.The evidence Malpractice posted is from a database, you can't manipulate.Such a fail argument.. databases can have errors, bugs. fixed for you, just because it was too funny to see "database's" from someone from england in a post hope this adds to you're (sic) credibility ps puns are awesome
I'm from Uganda, moved to England. Thank you for patronising me.
I hope one day i have a post count high enough for people to bandwagon behind everything i say! Because it's surely not based on the quality of posting, that much is obvious.
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On October 06 2011 08:16 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:12 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:08 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:05 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty.
That's truly frightening way to think.
+ Show Spoiler +Its really not. lets think about Ben Roethlisberger. He was accused of rape what, 2, 3 times before he was suspended? Do you think those "accusations" come out of no where? You dont see people accusing TONS of athletes, none the less MULTIPLE occassions of it. Where theres smoke, theres fire. This is SO true when its repeatedly showing smoke >.> Plus, this "bug" ive never seen myself more than a couple times over 1500 games, and you have it what, 10 of your last 13 games? Saying you'll stream a game doesnt mean you dont hack, it means that time you didnt hack. Now, as you said "go through your match history" Alright; From top to bottom: 15 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 14 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] 9.5 minutes. Loss. No points lost. [If you look at his opponent, also a loss, no points lost, but zelth had no army left.] Tie (no data found) A win, where u gained points. This continues. Different amount of times. The occassional tie (which could be it not loading, but this rarely happens) and 3-4 LOSSES (for BOTH players) where zelth has little/no army left @ the end, however no poitns are stripped. He has 1k points. Need more evidence, really? You can scream bloody murder, but this ISNT the first time youve been tagged as a hacker. Furthermore; This is a LIST of posts by a user [Zelthcon] on ONE of the MANY hack sites when i looked on google. http://www.simplexhacks.com/search.php?searchid=15547Now, you could say "omg it could be someone else" On sc2ranks, zelthcon is the only zelthcon user. Its a very unique name, and i doubt many others (if anyone) has the same tag as u. All the evidence is against you bro :/ You interchange "you" and "he" far too frequently for me to be sure who you are addressing, but you did quote me so i'm not sure. So if i pay 5 women to accuse you of rape.. well thats good enough.. no smoke without fire right judge? right?? guys..? guys? Oh. Why are you talking about 5 women and rape? smoke without fire? what does this have to do with you being a hacker? Bro, you aren't even intelligent enough to defend yourself. We could have stopped at you being a hacker, but now you are just showing us that you're a stupid hacker. Please, just stop while you have some dignity left. Oh wait... nvm Second time in one day that i'm accused of being OP (in two different threads by two different OP's!) Looks like people on this site much prefer to bandwagon and throw around ad-hominem than actually think about their actions. If you don't hold the majority view, dont post?
to be fair, I didn't accuse you of being the OP, I simply said your posting at the time and in the matter that you did was a statistical anomaly.
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On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote:
This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post.
"Its a bug" is good enough for that. Thanks for being ignorant and not reading the entire post though.
Hopefully blizzard can get your issue sorted out, good luck to you.
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On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote:
I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
Can provide links if needed.
Please do provide links.
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On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-
I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts. You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot). I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.
The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
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On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
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I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.
I put up facts about his recent games, requested replays, etc. And you didnt say shit about any of them.
Yes, i KNOW youre not the OP.
And lets be honest, the original Zelthcons a hacker thread got locked. Zelthcon then opened this thread 1.5 hours later. Almost asking for a witch hunt.
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On October 06 2011 08:23 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote:
I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.
Can provide links if needed. Please do provide links.
I don't like posting hacker forum links on TL. Even if they're easy to find. PM'ed them to you
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On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-
I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts. You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot). I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
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On October 06 2011 08:23 TheOne85 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote:
This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post. "Its a bug" is good enough for that. Thanks for being ignorant and not reading the entire post though. Hopefully blizzard can get your issue sorted out, good luck to you.
"its a bug" MAYBE for the ties (MAYBE) Given they dont give info when u look for info on the game (gives a error)
What about the other 8 LOSSES (that show losses for both players, and have anywhere from 5-15 minutes of game time) that dont take away points?
Those matches OBVIOUSLY started. And he OBVIOUSLY played them out, and lost, but didnt LOSE points.
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On October 06 2011 08:26 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-
I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts. You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot). I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.
Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway.
My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.
Think, just this once, please think.
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On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-
I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts. You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot). I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so
people have given a ton of evidence against the accused hacker shown through links and quoted posts. the accused hacker gave his defenses. now its completely normal for people to pass judgment on whether or not the evidence or the defense is more persuasive
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On October 06 2011 08:27 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:23 TheOne85 wrote:On October 06 2011 06:26 Omnipresent wrote:
This almost certainly isn't worth a thread, but...
I'd like to note the words "I'm innocent" or "I didn't hack" are conspicuously absent from this post. "Its a bug" is good enough for that. Thanks for being ignorant and not reading the entire post though. Hopefully blizzard can get your issue sorted out, good luck to you. "its a bug" MAYBE for the ties (MAYBE) Given they dont give info when u look for info on the game (gives a error) What about the other 8 LOSSES (that show losses for both players, and have anywhere from 5-15 minutes of game time) that dont take away points? Those matches OBVIOUSLY started. And he OBVIOUSLY played them out, and lost, but didnt LOSE points.
Shhhhh hes from Uganda bro, obviously he hasn't figured out how to lose properly!
Dont ruin the magic baby.
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