@MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims.
really? you go as far as go on the hacker database, put a nice big post on how the hacker database is full of shit because its impossible to conclude if someone hacks, then proceed to call some guy a hacker right in a game because he scouted your supposed random proxy? that doesn't really seem consistent, raging or not... I would think that you would be the last person to accuse someone of hacking, really... but no...
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Zelthon THIS GAME loaded. Why are you saying stuff about games that didn't load and then try to link it to this game???
Also explain this to me:
1) Why did you fuck up your scout on top? Not going far enough to see the creep... Really? 2) If you thought you scouted top. Why didn't you put your proxies in the middle of the map. So that you can go to bottom.If he is there. 3) Why didn't you scout bot? Isn't it standard to use a second probe and scout third spot if you want to proxy, while your initial scout goes for cross positions? In case opponent isn't close positions.
How did you ever get into master league not doing 100% allins like this properly? Allins are powerful because bad players can do it perfectly. Fucking up allins will never get you a high rating.
It doesn't make sense.
I believe you are a hacker, but I wouldn't ban you from any tournaments, or Bnet, if I had the power with only this as proof.
Yeah, cuz I believe an account created October 6th 2011 who has half his posts defending a (probably likely) hacker. other half of posts are concentrated in one thread, but still.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
@ Joshi 1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there. 2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map. 3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
but people can and have. like when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario), and links to his profile have been given (I gave a link in this thread, and am awaiting an answer from someone. Losses don't lose points, and I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match).
So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
On October 06 2011 07:46 Capped wrote: So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
Oh, he develops hacks? LOL well there we have it guys, in the slight chance (very slight mind you) zelthcon isn't a hacker, he's a hack developer. I think that's slightly worse.
On October 06 2011 07:37 Zelthcon wrote: @ Joshi 1) I believed I did properly scout his base and he assumed he was not there. 2) because by that point in the game it didnt matter about the slight extra time it takes if he was at the bottom of the map. 3) I didn't scout bot because I already scouted top and I didnt want my proxy to take too long.
I made it to masters with my macro and mechanics.
Did you know that I played Warcraft 3 for 4 years and I had insanely good micro and game sense? I was a legitmate 80% player on that game aswell, I got accused of hacking quite often on that game for having a good game sense.
All your reasons are dense. 1) How can you not scout top properly, but I guess you have to say that now. 2) Every normal player would put the proxies more to the middle after that first scout...
I played warcraft III as well for over 6 years, I don't even remember when that game came out. But what I can say is that in the early stages match making was only based on level, making it possible to get 50-0 accounts and brag with those. I did that for funzies back in the days, winning games with my Far Seer alone in ROC. But with the expansion, or maybe a year later it was also with a MMR, and if you had 4-0 you sometimes hitted a lvl 22 or higher so that you would gain losses, 80% was near impossible for casual players. And if you were more than that you wouldnt be stuck in Master league doing proxy gateways.
Dude, you keep telling bullshit. It is sad.
EDIT: I think I played WCIII for over 8 years. Is that possible? I was around 14 when that game came out, played it close to fulltime (and shitloads of doomsday) till WoW came out.
On October 06 2011 07:46 Capped wrote: So, obvious dodgy play. A "bug" (rofl) that affects you across two accounts on different servers. You never reported this "bug" just carried on as normal. BM and rager, obvious issues? (screw loose?)
And to top it all off. I once sat in a conversation where you discussed being a Hack dev, saying "im going to see how good i can get before i choose what game to start selling hacks on" or something along those lines. Now you come here to defend yourself, you are guilty.
And attacking gyroscope? You havent got a hope in hell. Darn hacker.
Oh and lets not forget begging people to click on ad's so u can have money. Or selling coaching sessions...(poor bastards bought coaching from a hacker.
Oh, he develops hacks? LOL well there we have it guys, in the slight chance (very slight mind you) zelthcon isn't a hacker, he's a hack developer. I think that's slightly worse.
Before we all jump on the bandonwagon. Is there any prove hes a hack dev ?
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote: i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.
based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
Your thought process is disturbing.
If a person is accused of something enough.. he's guilty. That's truly frightening way to think.
You'd have burnt the witches too.. cos john and ted said they were witches like 3 times an hour so it must be true =\
Joined today, half your posts are in this thread and you're from the UK just like the OP, hrm.
Regardless, I don't think there's enough information for either side to come to a decision, but sorry for you if bnet has been screwing you over, and sorry for anyone you've hacked against if you're screwing people over.
I think your confusing me for OP, you're doing it intentionally as a sort of smear as you don't really have anything to add to this thread, just like everyone else here.
Hmm that guy on the bus is from iraq.. and so was Saddam Hussein.. Hrm
In a situation where nobody can say anything valuable, it's probably the better option to try not to negatively effect somebody else's reputation.
but people can and have. like when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario), and links to his profile have been given (I gave a link in this thread, and am awaiting an answer from someone. Losses don't lose points, and I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match). can't wait for a moderator to IP check.
Yeah would be an easy way to shut you up, thats for sure Again you haven't said anything useful
1) " when other people in other thread confirmed results (played against OP on ladder and had same no result scenario),"
Err.. yes.. if OP is having these bugs, then it makes sense that the people he's playing against will also have these same no result, "results"
2) "Losses don't lose points"
I've had this happen before, around 10 times out of 2500 games
3) I don't even know wtf "left" means in a 1v1 match.
Okay, neither do we.
Thus you didn't add anything other than piling on negativity. If blizzard looked into it and personally assured you he was legit, would you apologise? Would days of an entire communities negativity be suddenly erased? It's worthwhile to just stop berating people based on word of mouth and second hand 'evidence' and wait for a conclusion.
edit: Is it worth ostracising even one legitimate player over this? If one of these hate bandwagons targets a legit player and turns them away from the game.. Even if OP is a hacking scumbag, there's no need for this sort of thread, we have a hacker database already.
So, you got caught hacking, with enough evidence Sic came up with in the other thread.You sound so friendly in your starter post op,But the replay shows your real character,just sad you still try to defend that you are guilty.I have about 400 ladder 1vs1 games.. and I never encountered such a bug as you did.
On October 06 2011 06:20 Initiative wrote: I think your sig sums you up pretty well
Who are you to judge someone?
A man with an opinion. Guess what being a rational human being with critical faculties means? Judging situations, people and events based on experience and evidence.
On October 06 2011 06:45 PraetorialGamer wrote: I'm sorry, but nothing you said convinced me of your not hacking. What I do know is this:
Your attitude ingame and in this post does nothing to help you, and just makes me and probably many people think that you are not sincere.
Innocent until proven guilty? I never saw any proof he hacked. I saw hints towards it, but nothing that proved the fact. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt to think he's not a hacker, so I say he isn't a hacker.
And the attitude in this thread seemed acceptable to me. He didn't roll over and beg to be forgiven for something he didn't do; he stated his point and defended his person.
With everything I've seen (both threads), I'd say he's legit. Unlucky situation, but not a hacker.
So, from what I have gathered, it seems as though u scouted top first possibly made a mistake before scouting his base, and decided to leave. As time to place your proxy 2 gate was running low, you made a quick decision to throw it down away from the Xel'naga yet close by the other two bases. This could be argued to death, but we will give you benefit of the doubt.
Secondly, you end up losing, flame the opponent for beating your super gimmicky cheese, and then leave game. This should be counted as a loss, but as you said, there is a glitch in the system that you have experienced on not one, but two accounts, which ends up giving you a tie. Hmm, interesting, you seem to have terrible luck my friend. We can let that one slide too (-.-).
BUT, there is one thing that I noticed in the previous thread. It had a pic of your recent 1v1 ladder games, and the results of each of them. This leads me to wonder, how did you LOSE so many games and not LOSE any ladder points, but then WIN one game and gain points on the ladder? This, to me, is a clear indication that either you are exploiting a glitch in the game or you are hacking. And you imply that you didn't "mean" to take advantage of the game in this manner, but your recorded 1v1 results prove otherwise.
my Conclusion (not that it should be taken seriously or anything) : Is that you are abusing the game in a way that you should have either reported to Blizzard when it first started happening, Because the way you put it, it seems as though it CAN help you, but it can also harm you. YET, you continued to play in this manner. All in all, you approached this wrong, in your very own attempt to garner support you flamed your Co-founder. You are in over your head, take my advice and make another smurf account now.
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