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Zergleaf
Profile Joined October 2011
England34 Posts
October 05 2011 22:11 GMT
#41
Why would a map hacker ever look in the fog of war?

Google tells us in less than 0.03 seconds that sc2 map hacks come with production overlays so a maphacker would have 0 reason to look into your base to see what you are producing.

I end up staring blankly at an opponents base when i'm a few energy short of a mule..
Zelthcon
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom53 Posts
October 05 2011 22:12 GMT
#42
@ ProTech_MediC - Ask CombatEx who's a top 50 GM.
@Slider - I didn't realise that they take into consideration multiple replays.
@MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims.
@Jinsho - Explain how I'm obviousally lying, do not just claim it.
@Sein - I thought they only reviewed one replay.
@legatus - Thanks for understand my position.
@moreglass - yeah I have come to terms with that people will just make up their own minds regardless of what I say.
At first you do not succeed, then the results disagree.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 05 2011 22:12 GMT
#43
This is getting messy...... o.o
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 05 2011 22:12 GMT
#44
i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.
TheChostoProject
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico96 Posts
October 05 2011 22:14 GMT
#45
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote:
i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.


Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.

You know, like + Show Spoiler +
religion
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
October 05 2011 22:15 GMT
#46
On October 06 2011 07:12 Zelthcon wrote:
@ ProTech_MediC - Ask CombatEx who's a top 50 GM.
@Slider - I didn't realise that they take into consideration multiple replays.
@MrSexington - Sometimes I rage when I lose and make stupid claims.
@Jinsho - Explain how I'm obviousally lying, do not just claim it.
@Sein - I thought they only reviewed one replay.
@legatus - Thanks for understand my position.
@moreglass - yeah I have come to terms with that people will just make up their own minds regardless of what I say.


What do you mean? Weren't you concluding that .Sic. was hacking judging from that one game you lost to him, or do you know something about him that we don't?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 05 2011 22:16 GMT
#47
No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
October 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#48
On October 06 2011 06:48 TheChostoProject wrote:
I'm with you man. Some kids here jump on the "omg he's a hacker" bandwagon way too easily with so litle "evidence". A single game where someone gets lucky and proxy gates the right location of builds detection, or moves his army is far from evidence for hacking. Sometimes people get lucky, sometimes shit happens.

As for the ties, i would think its more probably for it to be a bug, its not the first time strange shit has happened in bnet 2.0.

People should really try a bit harder before calling someone a hacker.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272003

i have conclusive evidence. dont be stupid unless you know whats going on
Clan MvP Member | http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3273340/SicMvP
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
October 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#49
On October 06 2011 07:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.


So he doesn't get spammed with hate when he plays...
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Zergleaf
Profile Joined October 2011
England34 Posts
October 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#50
On October 06 2011 07:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.



why post another +1 if nothing can be done and you don't care?
He has much more reason to post in this thread than you =-\
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
October 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#51
Some random guy on the inter-web might be cheating? I couldn't care less. As long as the issue is reported, this topic, and the other one, really serves zero purpose other than to get people riled up over... Nothing at all.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
October 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#52
On October 06 2011 07:03 Sein wrote:
I'm curious what made you conclude that .Sic. was maphacking. This post of yours below makes me think that it would literally take a recorded video footage of someone using a maphack on his computer along with a written confession to convince you that someone is hacking.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:
This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...

This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.

My writing = red text

Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):

Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail



He didn't conclude. He was BMing. Just watch the replay that I uploaded:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272003

Clan MvP Member | http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3273340/SicMvP
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
October 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#53
On October 06 2011 07:14 TheChostoProject wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote:
i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.


Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.

You know, like + Show Spoiler +
religion


Well, I believe there were 1-2 more posters in that thread who supposedly experienced the same thing after winning games against the same guy. Also, it doesn't help that there is actually a desync hack that causes exactly this along with the "Results disagree" message that apparently shows when the two clients send the server two different results.

Not saying it's conclusive, but just saying what a bunch of people said in the thread just seems more convincing than the OP here.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 22:21:46
October 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#54
since other thread got closed, what does "left" mean in a 1v1?

compare this-- http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2079740/1/Zelthcon/matches#filter=solo

to one of his 3v3 partner's 1v1 history- http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053176/1/juicypen/matches

I don't know much about sc2, but why does zelthcon not have losses, and even more confusingly have "left". Note I am talking about the 1v1 games shown, not the custom games.
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Zelthcon
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom53 Posts
October 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#55
@Sein - No I thought that the hacker database only review one replay and then conclude if the guy maphacks.
@Torte - It was a 'heat of the moment' type of reaction, I only found out about this not so long ago.
@Sic - You have conclusive evidence? Then let me use your own logic against you.

On both my NA and EU accounts I sometimes search and then the game does not load at all, locks me from searching again and I have to relog, it shows on my account as a "TIE" (go check my match history and confirm this). By your logic, I'm also using a hack which serves no purpose but to lock me from searching ladder every now and then. Consider EVERYTHING in my match history, not just what benefits me but also consider what DOES NOT benefit me such as the "tie" bug also happening on my account.
At first you do not succeed, then the results disagree.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 05 2011 22:21 GMT
#56
On October 06 2011 07:19 Zergleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 07:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.



why post another +1 if nothing can be done and you don't care?
He has much more reason to post in this thread than you =-\


Never said I didn't care, there is just a better place to post these concerns like the B.Net forums where Blizzard can read this.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
October 05 2011 22:22 GMT
#57
I don't have a horse in this race, but I'll chime in 1 more time.

In his defense, after watching the replay, if he was really map hacking, why would he scout 1 of the 3 potential spawning points at all?

He scouted 1, didn't find a base, and blindly proxied 1 of the other 2.

...Although, it was a little suspect that he didn't send his probe to at least scout for creep 1 screen away after dropping the gates.

*shrugs*
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
October 05 2011 22:23 GMT
#58
On October 06 2011 07:21 Zelthcon wrote:
@Sein - No I thought that the hacker database only review one replay and then conclude if the guy maphacks.
@Torte - It was a 'heat of the moment' type of reaction, I only found out about this not so long ago.
@Sic - You have conclusive evidence? Then let me use your own logic against you.

On both my NA and EU accounts I sometimes search and then the game does not load at all, locks me from searching again and I have to relog, it shows on my account as a "TIE" (go check my match history and confirm this). By your logic, I'm also using a hack which serves no purpose but to lock me from searching ladder every now and then. Consider EVERYTHING in my match history, not just what benefits me but also consider what DOES NOT benefit me such as the "tie" bug also happening on my account.


There's an actual hack out there that completely fits the description of what you did, someone posted on my thread and showed me... so..........
Clan MvP Member | http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3273340/SicMvP
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
October 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#59
On October 06 2011 07:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
No one can do anything about this, why post your justifications here.

Pure entertainment value sir!
...at least for me
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 05 2011 22:24 GMT
#60
On October 06 2011 07:14 TheChostoProject wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 07:12 Malstriks wrote:
i can vouch for the OP of the original thread. i know him very well, and i know he would not make a thread of that nature unless he 100% believed this guy was a hacker. i have no reason to believe, nor has the OP of this thread given me, any reason to believe he is not a hacker.


Believing 100% a dude is a hacker based on the results of 1 game, plus a bugged match history is not hard evidence. it is just a simple belief, that might wrong.

You know, like + Show Spoiler +
religion


based on the results of 1 game, sure. look at his match history, you think that's a "bugged" match history? out of ALL the people that play SC2 and it coincidentally happens to a guy who also stares at the fog of war for extended periods of time (obvious maphacking evidence) and has been accused several times of hacking? sure, buddy.
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