EPTRegarding the thread about me - Page 2
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figq
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
You have provided no 'proof' that I even maphack or tiehack, I sometimes in my games proxy my building sometimes it pays off other time it gives me instant losses because I proxy in the WRONG place, you're using confirmation bias here, you're only confirming the case where I did it successful, what about instances where I fail to proxy the correct location? You know what this sounds like? This sounds like an exploit of proxying a location to tiehack. Regarding me being a member of Mixed Fruit, Gyroscope is full of crap and is going to get his ass handed to him when I've spoken to the other founder of mixed fruit, MFCeon / Ceonsamea as Ceonsamea WILL BE having harsh words with gyroscope for his pathetic message he said in the other thread. This sounds like you are being rather premature. Shouldn't you at least address the isssue of you supposed maphacking, like providing a replay that shows what happened? | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
That is a really strange bug...hope it gets fixed, man. :[ | ||
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LoudHoward
Australia1 Post
On October 06 2011 06:20 Initiative wrote: I think your sig sums you up pretty well  If at first you do not succeed, then RESULTS DISAGREE! :D | ||
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Zelthcon
United Kingdom53 Posts
Play more ladder games and upload my replays? Do you want me too stream my games live even though it makes me lag? do you want to 1v1 me with observers so they can see if I hack or not? I'm really not getting it is what you want me to do? I can ignore this and be known as a hacker, I can defend myself then be called a whiner? This is a lose-lose situation for me and I already know how I'm going to resolve it  . | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
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Zergleaf
England34 Posts
No, that's not how life works children. Good luck with getting blizzard to fix the problem, whatever it is. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 06 2011 06:54 Zelthcon wrote: So if I protest too much I hack, if I do not defend myself at all I hack? So what isit you want me to do exactly? Play more ladder games and upload my replays? Do you want me too stream my games live even though it makes me lag? do you want to 1v1 me with observers so they can see if I hack or not? I'm really not getting it is what you want me to do? I can ignore this and be known as a hacker, I can defend myself then be called a whiner? This is a lose-lose situation for me and I already know how I'm going to resolve it .Well, playing new games without a hack on wouldn't convince anyone that you didn't hack in the past. The argument really doesn't make any sense. People will simply have to make up their own minds, some will defend you and some will suspect you. Personally, I made up my mind when you said that you blindly proxy unscouted positions. Maybe providing a replay before this date showing you losing from an incorrectly placed proxy would help your cause. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
And if it's a bug within the game and he's knowingly "abusing" it, I'm all for that. SCV's repairing inside a medivac turned out to be a bug? Aren't there tons of games that have "accepted" their bugs. Bunnyhop to give an example. I don't know who this is but I can understand how upsetting it must be to go through something like this and how it can make you feel powerless. Just know not everyone thinks like that. It's easy to point fingers and poke. I actually think it's one of those psychological things where certain people will be prone to such behavior. Eitherway lay of the guy. It's possible he isn't wrong and you will be. And the raging is not something I would support but it doesn't have to be reflective of his personality either and warrant certain responses. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote: This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc... This list is an absolute joke and should be removed. Let me break your "good" evidence down for you. My writing = red text Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list): Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc. Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_- Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
if what you say is true then surely blizzard will be able to fix this issue and your name will be clean. | ||
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
What made you so sure that the other guy was hacking? "I KNOW you hack scrub." I don't get it. It looked like a legit win to me. edit: If you're so sure that there is no proof against you that you were hacking, what evidence do you have that he was hacking? | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252666¤tpage=21#404 Seems you are trying to preemptively defend yourself against accusations of hacking before they even begin. Plus calling the valuable TL hacker database worthless, like you are trying to discredit it so people don't take it seriously in case you end up in there. | ||
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mEatBucket
Sweden45 Posts
On October 06 2011 07:05 ProTech_MediC wrote: What kind of high masters player regularly uses blind proxy gateways as an actual strategy? None, however in this case it wasn't blind. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
There is proof in the other thread that was pretty convincing. The only proof of innocence that you give in your explanation: 1) some games didn't start, but that could be an easy cover up. 2) you streamed games in the past, which could be the rare games were you didn't hack. 3) One of your strategies is to put proxies randomly on the map, not even in the middle of 2 unscouted bases. Sorry, but I would read the proof in the other thread and try to comment on that first. I am NOT saying that you should get a ban from Bnet, I am not saying that you are officially guilty. But to me, you are probably a hacker, 60% against 40%. But scouting a spot and not going far enough to see the creep seems very strange to me for a Master level player. That combined with the ingame, thus not before the game started, ties while you are losing... Maybe real proof of your innocence will pop up... This was a bad attempt. | ||
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AdrenalGBR
United Kingdom182 Posts
While false accusations can be difficult to shake, I would expect that a demonstration of running programs in a video where the problem happens would go some way to providing evidence to support your cause. Or, preferably, a response by Blizzard to an email. What's important is that people approach this in a measured way. They're too quick to jump on bandwagons when faced with apparent evidence (eg. Knox/Sollecito, who were recently acquitted). There is no "innocent until proven guilty" in this situation. You're neither innocent nor guilty; you and everyone else in this game are in a state of limbo until it can be proven either way - for most people this is easy, ("look, I don't hack",) but for you it's more tricky. Ultimately, unless you are banned by Blizzard you have a right to be treated in this limbo state. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Unimportant if or if not you did something evil. And it makes defending yourself really simple, copy paste the email and say, kthxbye. | ||
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