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On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote:
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums?
+ Show Spoiler +Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious
Anything else would be a bit of a stretch.
edit: also iirc it didn't trigger a keylogger alert, One persons AVG had a problem with it, then said "oh no, its okay" and then somebody else said im worried its a keylogger.
You put the two together to create a nice little bit of sensationalism though, Consider politics bro, you dont need any talent or dignity, you just need to be able to Lionise yourself (or viewpoint) by degrading others, something you're proving good at.
somewhat nice of you to add that it is indeed all anecdotal though.
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On October 06 2011 08:36 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:32 Supamang wrote:On October 06 2011 08:29 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:26 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
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I actually had some respect for you until now.
But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)
If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts. You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot). I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so. Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker. Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway. My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent. Think, just this once, please think. honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt" this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect. the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances I'd like to believe that if you ever ended up on the wrong side of mass public disapproval with little to no proof of you having done anything wrong, that SOMEBODY might help level out the discussion to be a little less one sided.
i guess thats where we differ. you dont see the evidence being brought up as valid enough to have opinions being based off of it whereas i think it is
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On October 06 2011 08:44 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote:
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums? + Show Spoiler +Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious Anything else would be a bit of a stretch.
another statistical anomaly. They seem to follow you around.
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I've seem to find some information corrosponding with the dannyjones001@live.co.uk that is visible in one of the screenshot
(again in a google cache)
Username: xxrangexx // Password: *not putting that here* // Email: DannyJones001@live.co.uk // DNS: iseeyou.dyndns.org // Port: 3175 (Registration IP/Serial: 90.214.162.83/2f0f09088557a1954c798f18d710bdae);
Note that I dont know where this information is from. But the username matches the one on the screenshot
Though he can obviously have more than one IP adress. It is something to compare with TL's IP history
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On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote:
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the other thread on a larva inject program which was triggering keylogger alerts on some antivirus scanners (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272208).
Zergleaf jumped into there as well as another new user who only had a total of 3 posts (the other two were in a related thread on the same program), and who had exactly the same perspective/point.
*shrugs* all anecdotal though.
Interesting that he has no other posts. Neither did the other user.
Well that screenshot at the top shows that he has "experience" in multiaccounting on forums...
Jeez, this thread is bananas.
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On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
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On October 06 2011 08:45 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:44 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 08:41 caradoc wrote:
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the last thread.
Which also featured a program suspected of being a keylogger, and Zergleaf jumping into the discussion.
So we can conclude that i fight injustice whenever i can.. and that my attention is on the TL forums? + Show Spoiler +Ricky Gervais quote, don't take it overly serious Anything else would be a bit of a stretch. another statistical anomaly. They seem to follow you around.
Two "incidents" + Show Spoiler +An incredible stretch for me to use that word
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On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
Yeah right, because cheating never happens at professional levels of games and sports.
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On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
"need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs.
a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks.
but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
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I mean whats the point of this anymore? His reputation is mostly ruined, even if hes not guilty. So many thing are working against him that he will be remembered as a cheater either way. Even if he plays with MVP and wins doesn't mean he wasn't cheating before.
My advice would be to start a new sc2 life, change your name, and stop cheating if you were (or continue, I don't really care).
The other option is to continue defending yourself and giving me more pseudo-dramatic/mystery forum material to read, cause its turning out to be really entertaining.
Cheers
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On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
still no reply to my post?
Nor a replay pack?
K.
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On October 06 2011 08:49 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks. "need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs. a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks. but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Assuming he didnt turn on hacks b4 streaming? Also he could get someone else to play for him on his account. Basically, once there's like 2 dozen pieces of hard evidence that this guy was hacking, you can't clear it up.
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On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
Feel free to stream. Personally your match history, the replay were you blind build proxy gates and your general attitude of "You can't prove nothin' " is enough for me. Is it beyond a shadow of a doubt? No, the evidence does not meet that legal standard. However, it would meet the standard of "clear and conclusive evidence" that you are up to some shady stuff on the ladder.
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On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks.
Your point? Alot of people play in masters and don't deserve to be there. I mean really? You've stated and so have others of all ins and proxy gates. Doesn't prove anything of playing In masters. Just proves you either need to play that way or you lose or you play terrible kids in general.
Please don't reply with just a sentence telling me you should be masters. Especially since you haven't denies being the person on that hacking site.
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On October 06 2011 08:49 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:46 Zelthcon wrote:On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. It proves I can play at a masters level without hacking, meaning I wouldnt need to use hacks. "need" is a subjective term because it all depends on your needs. a masters player might want to climb to the top of his division or to make it into GM regardless of the methods used. in that case, he would still "need" the hacks. but true, it would make it easier to believe that you dont hack
Eww, you'd let this guy who you've been berating for the past hour, get away with it if he just streams himself playing starcraft?
I'm sure a supposed hack developer could easily just scooch it over onto a different screen and maphack whilst streaming and you'd be non the wiser.
This is why you can't be taken seriously (you as a viewpoint and group of people) Far too flippant and you literally thrive on confirmation bias.
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Well after reading thru this thread, it looks like the OPs claims of being innocent have been...hacked to pieces.
But yeah, reading thru this and seeing the screenshots of his posts on other forums, and his post in the other thread about maphackers, it's very very hard to see him telling the truth on this one. I just hope blizzard deals with this hack quickly :/
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On October 06 2011 08:51 hunts wrote:
Well after reading thru this thread, it looks like the OPs claims of being innocent have been...hacked to pieces.
But yeah, reading thru this and seeing the screenshots of his posts on other forums, and his post in the other thread about maphackers, it's very very hard to see him telling the truth on this one. I just hope blizzard deals with this hack quickly :/
dont forget all the evidence on here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272003
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From Zelthcon's 1v1 match history, at bottom are the most recent players he's played against where he had a loss, but did not lose points.
If the players (or Zelthcon), could could submit these replays, it would be useful to review for maphacking.
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Opponent, Duration, Map
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bransom (T), 15 minutes, The Shattered Temple
RoBb (T), 14 minutes, Shakuras Plateau
iAmSeXi (Z), 9 minutes 31 sec, Abysmal Caverns
Jash (P), 18 minutes, Shakuras Plateau
intense (P), 14 minutes, Shakuras Plateau
xOYowler (P), 5 minutes 1 sec, Xel'naga Caverns
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On October 06 2011 08:54 ajabberwok wrote:From Zelthcon's 1v1 match history, at bottom are the most recent players he's played against where he had a loss, but did not lose points. If the players (or Zelthcon), could could submit these replays, it would be useful to review for maphacking. Opponent, Duration, Map -------------- bransom (T), 15 minutes, The Shattered Temple RoBb (T), 14 minutes, Shakuras Plateau iAmSeXi (Z), 9 minutes 31 sec, Abysmal Caverns Jash (P), 18 minutes, Shakuras Plateau intense (P), 14 minutes, Shakuras Plateau xOYowler (P), 5 minutes 1 sec, Xel'naga Caverns
The replay of iAmSeXi is in my the OP of my thread that zelthcon is trying to refute.
Also: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13967
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