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Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
October 05 2011 23:30 GMT
#121
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-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
October 05 2011 23:30 GMT
#122
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


you're*

I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 05 2011 23:32 GMT
#123
On October 06 2011 08:29 Zergleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:26 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.


Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway.
My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.

Think, just this once, please think.

honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt"

this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect.

the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
October 05 2011 23:33 GMT
#124
On October 06 2011 08:26 Marradron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:23 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:22 Marradron wrote:
I've even found some google cashe of him 'Zelthcon' applying to be a poster for some hack forum... He even requisted 10 cent per 'quality post' of more then 20 words. Also 3 other zelthcons posting on some hacker forum about a aimbot.

Can provide links if needed.


Please do provide links.


I don't like posting hacker forum links on TL. Even if they're easy to find. PM'ed them to you


Zelthcon on hack forums.

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 05 2011 23:33 GMT
#125
On October 06 2011 08:30 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


you're*

I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.


You're not.
And it is >:D
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Zergleaf
Profile Joined October 2011
England34 Posts
October 05 2011 23:34 GMT
#126
On October 06 2011 08:30 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


you're*

I absolutely ADORE when someone insults another person's intelligence with improper grammar (not a typo, but a clear misunderstanding of proper word usage). Maybe I'm just an old-school grammar nazi, but I feel like it is the juiciest irony on the internet.



Good job discussing language whilst completely ignoring all of the meaning conveyed.
You're trying to be intelligent, but anybody who really understands language (think: Stephen Fry) would be embarrassed if anybody thought your viewpoints had some common ground.

I don't know what's preferable, -orb- when he's making random ad hominem attacks and talking out of his ass, or -orb- when he's pretending to be intelligent.
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1047 Posts
October 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#127
The longer you try and draw things out or retaliate and just feed into everyone the worse it's goin to be, the dumber you're making yourself look and the more obvious it is that you probably hack because of the defensiveness you are taking.

I have 4 accounts total and I've played well over 5000 games and have never came across this once. Not a single time from 4 accounts with 5000+ games played.

Second, no one pans over fog of war and sit there to remind themselves to scout. That makes no sense. You send a unit there or you don't. There's the scouting method. I'm not gonna go into anymore of these stupid methods because they're stupid and people know it already.

If you hack you hack. You've done nothing offline, won't do anything offline so I'm not worried about it. It's obvious you're a random nobody trying to get attention by flaming forums and giving the community another random bm elitist kid which we dont need.

I'm not going to go into this conversation toouch because it's a waste of time to deal with kids who hack and obviously fail without them. Hacks are like tampons every pussy needs one.

Either way do what you want. Just know if you want to start a deep breakdown of everything you've made an attempt to say to verify your play it'll just come back and show you how dumb you really are for trying to pan stuff off like it has a reason.
OhMyGawd
Profile Joined February 2011
United States264 Posts
October 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#128
They see him trolling...
zomg
Zergleaf
Profile Joined October 2011
England34 Posts
October 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#129
On October 06 2011 08:32 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:29 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:26 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.


Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway.
My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.

Think, just this once, please think.

honestly your reaction here is probably as knee-jerk as the ones made by the people you claim to be starting a "witch hunt"

this isnt a witch hunt. The accused hacker has already admitted to hacking in a previous game, theres been a lot of evidence posted against this guy, and (in my personal opinion) his reaction to this is a little suspect.

the fact that youve devoted so many posts to defend the guy is less rational than the guys coming in to accuse him considering the circumstances



I'd like to believe that if you ever ended up on the wrong side of mass public disapproval with little to no proof of you having done anything wrong, that SOMEBODY might help level out the discussion to be a little less one sided.
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
October 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#130
On October 06 2011 08:29 Zergleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:26 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:24 Zergleaf wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:21 .Sic. wrote:
On October 06 2011 08:18 Zergleaf wrote:
-orb-

I actually had some respect for you until now.

But because i'd rather advocate against witch hunts and emotional knee jerk cluster fuck threads like this, you decide to go with the inane idea that im OP (and another OP too!)

If you want to discredit somebody, stick to facts.


You wanna discredit my accusation of you being a hacker, bring facts. You have no facts, just made up execuses that anyone can make up on the spot. I have the replay, screenshots, and at least a dozen people vouching against you (one of them with his own replay and a screenshot).

I don't think anyone really wants to be respected by you, it'd harm his/her reputation if anything.



The burden of proof is on the accuser.
Also no matter how many times you say i'm OP, it doesn't make it so.
Just like all those times you tell yourself your intelligent.. don't make it so


My bad, keep going with the insults bro, it really provides evidence that Zelthcon is not a hacker.


Extremely rich coming from you, the guy who thinks its good to witch hunt. I've already said, i dont give a shit if he is or isnt hacking, i very rarely ladder these days anyway.
My argument is that this type of thread is terrible and serves no purpose than to ostracise a person who might be innocent.

Think, just this once, please think.


Stop derailing the argument. This is not a witch hunt, it's a question of whether or not Zelthcon is a hacker. Are you actually lacking intelligence or something? I never said it's good to have a witch hunt, why are you putting words in my mouth? I wasn't ostracizing anyone. I was just posting about a new hack, and I had to put pictures and replays on there to prove that it exists. Not my fault Zelthcon was hacking. Yes it serves a purpose, I am notifying the community about hacks.

You have no legit argument bro, just stop.
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mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
October 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#131
Yeah I think there is conclusive evidence that you hacked (based on the game, former team members testimonies, and you posting on a hack site). I don't think it's looking good for your case.
Write your own song!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 05 2011 23:37 GMT
#132
Can't this thread just be closed and forgotten?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
IplayTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany42 Posts
October 05 2011 23:37 GMT
#133
Oh god, im laughing my ass off right now, thank you Marradron!Can't believe such sad people exist to need to hire that does something like that lmao.
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
October 05 2011 23:38 GMT
#134
On October 06 2011 08:30 Marradron wrote:
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Does that site actually have anything to do with cheating in games though? The other link with him posting about an aimbot is a pretty dead giveaway though.
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
October 05 2011 23:39 GMT
#135
legendary thread gogogogo
^-^v
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 23:40:41
October 05 2011 23:39 GMT
#136
You should stream your games against good players, best way to prove that you don't. I'm starting to think you don't hack but you streaming would confirm everyone's thoughts that you are innocent.

On October 06 2011 08:30 Marradron wrote:
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Wow, yeah if you don't stream, then You deserve everything that is going to come.
u gotta sk8
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 23:41:10
October 05 2011 23:40 GMT
#137
On October 06 2011 08:38 Genome852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 08:30 Marradron wrote:
[image loading]


Does that site actually have anything to do with cheating in games though? The other link with him posting about an aimbot is a pretty dead giveaway though.



A quick look at the forum makes clear it's a site about hacking. Learning to hack. Buying hacks ect. The name itself kinda gives it away.

All we now need to do is link the paypall in the screenshot to him. Maybe with somebody buying the coaching lessons from him we can compare.
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
October 05 2011 23:41 GMT
#138
I have a few questions for Zelthcon.

What does he have to say about all his accounts on hacking sites? Seems kind of coincidental that someone defending himself from being a hacker also happens to be registered on multiple hacking sites.

And secondly, even though you could argue that not properly scouting that first base was a mistake. How the hell do you explain not even scouting the second base with that probe before sending your zealots in? Any masters player who was not cheating would send that probe in at a standard scouting time to confirm that it was that base he needed to send the zealots too.

It's pretty obvious he is cheating, but I do like watching people try and defend them selves.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 23:45:18
October 05 2011 23:41 GMT
#139
Well given the speculation about multiple users here, this is actually identical to the situation in the other thread on a larva inject program which was triggering keylogger alerts on some antivirus scanners (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272208).

Zergleaf jumped into there as well as another new user who only had a total of 3 posts (the other two were in a related thread on the same program), and who had exactly the same perspective/point.

*shrugs* all anecdotal though.

Interesting that he has no other posts. Neither did the other user.

Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1047 Posts
October 05 2011 23:42 GMT
#140
Deepblu2

Streaming would not confirm anything.

You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack.
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