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On August 21 2011 19:29 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 14:34 Juvant wrote:On August 21 2011 14:30 Naniwa wrote:
Well i am very sorry for coming top3 foreigner at MLG everytime. that is indeed very unfair towards some of the koreans in code B who are extremly good. but thats just the way it is right now. why should i not use every method available to try to get into code S, It is true right now that my play has been broken down since i came to korea which will result in me losing a few more games in the start, but once i stabilize and get used to their style i am sure i will become a much better player. I don't think it's something to apologize over  It's helping bridge the Korean and foreign scenes. I think even the Code B players would realize the importance of that. And I'm sure you'll show us soon that you are indeed deserving of this opportunity! Lol...im pretty sure most of the Code B players don't care about bridging the scene, especially at the expense of their own success. If you grew up in Korea, aspired to be a programmer, and practiced everyday to get there, you too would be upset if a foreigner has a easier path than you. It's all about perspective. People want whats best for themselves. Having a global Starcraft scene may be important for a foreign spectator, but it's equally vital to understand it's completely different coming from a Korean player's perspective, especially if the effects of globalization don't directly benefit the majority of Code B players. On a side note, its not Naniwa's fault things are like this. Yes its unfair, but the blame lies with the system, not the player.
i think most korean players want starcraft 2 to become popular outside of korea so that they can get sponsors and not live of only ramen. the koreans are much more dependent on the rest of the world than the rest of the world is on sc2 getting big in korea
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On August 21 2011 14:30 DoA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 14:28 Juvant wrote:On August 21 2011 14:25 DoA wrote:
Just to clear things up:
Naniwa will have a spot for Code A due to his performance at Anaheim. he won't need to qualify this time around. And why should we trust you!? I think I'm done posting on this site. -___-
lol I feel for u 
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On August 21 2011 20:02 hamling wrote:![[image loading]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8601/nanih.jpg)
That's cheating.
How dare you go to the source for information!
It's so much better to speculate for five pages with a bunch of people with no clue.
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On August 21 2011 17:16 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 15:59 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 21 2011 15:54 Oktyabr wrote:On August 21 2011 15:37 skrzmark wrote:
Eh, naniwa getting invited to GSL again just means less terran for code A, Am I right? Yeah, at the minimum, 1 less. On a sidenote, foreigner Terrans don't ever make it to the top 3 foreigner spots. Well Sjow just accepted his Code A spot from the MLG-GSL exhange... Because HuK is already in Code S, and either Ret/IdrA/SLush has turned down their spots. To be accurate, Sjow is one of the top 3 foreigners who accepted that spot.
That's not true, he finished 4th of all foreigners. Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Sjow which means that he would get it even if everyone else accepted since they give out 4 code a spots from Anaheim.
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Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people.
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On August 21 2011 20:20 Aurdon wrote:That's cheating. How dare you go to the source for information! It's so much better to speculate for five pages with a bunch of people with no clue.
also bragging cause nani tweeted me ^^
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If MMA gets knocked out of Code S, then wins an MLG, he shouldn't be allowed into Code S because it's not fair!!! See how dumb that sounds?
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On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people.
making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A
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On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A
maybe... but you could hit multiple jobbers and scrubs in qualifying for either
Players like July, whitera, Huk, choya and tyler have been in the mlg open bracket, that's not nice for anyone, heck, even Alicia didn't get out of the mlg open bracket.
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On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A
Yeah but it's way more expensive and time-consuming to go to Korea for 30 days to have a small chance to win $1400 than for 4 top Koreans to come to USA for 3 days and have a big chance to win $5000 and a code S spot. It's pretty obvious that the Koreans gets the upper-hand in this league-exchange deal.
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On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A
Yet, Alicia loses in the first round of the open bracket to an unknown player. The reason it's more difficult is because you don't know a lot of the players in the open bracket. And the ones you know are generally really solid players.
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On August 21 2011 21:05 Loodah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A Yet, Alicia loses in the first round of the open bracket to an unknown player. The reason it's more difficult is because you don't know a lot of the players in the open bracket. And the ones you know are generally really solid players.
Are you implying that ToD is unknown? :o
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On August 21 2011 21:06 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:05 Loodah wrote:On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A Yet, Alicia loses in the first round of the open bracket to an unknown player. The reason it's more difficult is because you don't know a lot of the players in the open bracket. And the ones you know are generally really solid players. Are you implying that ToD is unknown? :o
In Starcraft 2 for sure - I was a fan in WC3... but this is a different game...
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On August 21 2011 21:03 hamling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A maybe... but you could hit multiple jobbers and scrubs in qualifying for either Players like July, whitera, Huk, choya and tyler have been in the mlg open bracket, that's not nice for anyone, heck, even Alicia didn't get out of the mlg open bracket.
The thing is GSL is the only major tournament in korea and everyone who isn't in it that meets the qualification criteria will attend. MLG is different. Not all top foreigners go in, and a lot of the players are just plain amateurs who play sc2 on the side when they can. Sure you can meet some lower ranked players early on, but then as you go on it's only gonna be GM korean players where several of them are going to be even better than code S players. Both brackets require a bit of luck, but many players coming up through code B actually have potential to win code A. It's just a much bigger talent pool. Puzzle qualified last season and won. Leenock also had to qualify along with jjakji, boxer, DRG, etc.
There's no league requirement for MLG either. A few koreans didn't make it through, but realize that a lot of great korean players didn't make it through GSL qualifications for multiple seasons over and over, and some continue to fail to do so. Bomber was out of GSL when he was owning people in other top tier players in tournaments other than GSL.
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On August 21 2011 21:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:03 hamling wrote:On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A maybe... but you could hit multiple jobbers and scrubs in qualifying for either Players like July, whitera, Huk, choya and tyler have been in the mlg open bracket, that's not nice for anyone, heck, even Alicia didn't get out of the mlg open bracket. The thing is GSL is the only major tournament in korea and everyone who isn't in it that meets the qualification criteria will attend. MLG is different. Not all top foreigners go in, and a lot of the players are just plain amateurs who play sc2 on the side when they can. Sure you can meet some lower ranked players early on, but then as you go on it's only gonna be GM korean players where several of them are going to be even better than code S players. Both brackets require a bit of luck, but many players coming up through code B actually have potential to win code A. It's just a much bigger talent pool. Puzzle qualified last season and won. Leenock also had to qualify along with jjakji, boxer, DRG, etc.
I agree with that. A lot of the code B players would have a solid chance at making it deep at an MLG. There's no question about that.
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On August 21 2011 21:12 Loodah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:06 Choboo wrote:On August 21 2011 21:05 Loodah wrote:On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A Yet, Alicia loses in the first round of the open bracket to an unknown player. The reason it's more difficult is because you don't know a lot of the players in the open bracket. And the ones you know are generally really solid players. Are you implying that ToD is unknown? :o In Starcraft 2 for sure - I was a fan in WC3... but this is a different game...
There's a difference between being unknown and bad. And I think ToD is neither, he just has to work out his PvZ imo
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When you watch someone as good as liquidhero stream, you have to wonder how hard code A qualifiers must be, and how much privilege the mlg players get. I'm sorry, but Sjow would have very low chance of qualifying for code A normally. Ganzi made the open bracket look as easy as July did, and he was code B at the time. Tyler managed to get out of the mlg open bracket, when I would say he would struggle to win first round at code A qualifiers.
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On August 21 2011 21:18 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:12 Loodah wrote:On August 21 2011 21:06 Choboo wrote:On August 21 2011 21:05 Loodah wrote:On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A Yet, Alicia loses in the first round of the open bracket to an unknown player. The reason it's more difficult is because you don't know a lot of the players in the open bracket. And the ones you know are generally really solid players. Are you implying that ToD is unknown? :o In Starcraft 2 for sure - I was a fan in WC3... but this is a different game... There's a difference between being unknown and bad. And I think ToD is neither, he just has to work out his PvZ imo
I'm not saying he's bad - his pvp is obviously sick because he beat alicia twice. I'm saying the opposite - there are players that the Koreans don't know about who are actually really solid players. You can't tell me that Alicia was thinking "Oh snap, better practice hard for ToD!!!"
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On August 21 2011 21:04 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 20:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 20:49 hugman wrote:
Four Koreans seeded into MLG Pool Play every time is a way bigger deal than two or three foreigners getting a Code-A spot even if it's the same people. making it through the open bracket of MLG is 10x easier than qualifying for code A Yeah but it's way more expensive and time-consuming to go to Korea for 30 days to have a small chance to win $1400 than for 4 top Koreans to come to USA for 3 days and have a big chance to win $5000 and a code S spot. It's pretty obvious that the Koreans gets the upper-hand in this league-exchange deal.
Yeah, that's somewhat true, but you can look at it in a different way. First off I'd like to mention that GSL provides housing, food, and I believe flights as well for the foreigners, but the trip to GSL isn't about playing 1 tournament and leaving.
Code A itself is only 1500 for the winner, but if you can manage to make it into the top 8 (that's 2 rounds) and miraculously get through the up and down and make it into code S, you're guaranteed $1500 anyway just for being code S. If you make it 1 round past that you've secured code S as well as made a lot more money.
The amount of time you have to stay is the only real hindering part, but at the same time you're getting a good experience and becoming a better player out of it.
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