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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 21 2011 06:59 GMT
#61
On August 21 2011 15:54 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 15:37 skrzmark wrote:
Eh, naniwa getting invited to GSL again just means less terran for code A, Am I right?


Yeah, at the minimum, 1 less. On a sidenote, foreigner Terrans don't ever make it to the top 3 foreigner spots.

Well Sjow just accepted his Code A spot from the MLG-GSL exhange...
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 07:02:15
August 21 2011 07:00 GMT
#62
Man some of you overrate HoSeo players like crazy based on team league results.

Team league is much easier if your opponent knows nothing about you (sculp, sage, seal etc.).

The only HoSeo player that is legitimately good and has shown consistent results outside of the team league is jjakji. Tassadar is also pretty good but I don't think he is code s level. Not until he can fix his PvT.

Aside from that, the rest have been using the fact that they are completely unknown to their advantage.
Loodah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
335 Posts
August 21 2011 07:09 GMT
#63
On August 21 2011 16:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Man some of you overrate HoSeo players like crazy based on team league results.

Team league is much easier if your opponent knows nothing about you (sculp, sage, seal etc.).

The only HoSeo player that is legitimately good and has shown consistent results outside of the team league is jjakji. Tassadar is also pretty good but I don't think he is code s level. Not until he can fix his PvT.

Aside from that, the rest have been using the fact that they are completely unknown to their advantage.



This statement is beyond idiotic.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 21 2011 07:13 GMT
#64
On August 21 2011 15:07 Janaan wrote:
To the people thinking that it's unfair for Nani to get a repeat invite: Just imagine what would happen if they didn't allow it. There's 6 MLGs. By the end of the circuit, you'd be automatically giving the players who are barely hanging on to a group spot in MLG automatic Code A seeds, where they would go and get 100% obliterated. I don't think there's doubt in anyone's mind that players such as inControl or Machine would stand no chance in Korea right now, but that's what would happen if the rules didn't allow repeat invites.

Honestly, for me, Naniwa is probably one of, if not the absolute best shot the foreigners have at actually winning a GSL tournament, so I think it'd be a shame if the rules forced him to leave after just one attempt.

So far, Thorzain has shown a bit more promise. But Naniwa has that capability as well.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
August 21 2011 07:13 GMT
#65
On August 21 2011 16:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Man some of you overrate HoSeo players like crazy based on team league results.

Team league is much easier if your opponent knows nothing about you (sculp, sage, seal etc.).

The only HoSeo player that is legitimately good and has shown consistent results outside of the team league is jjakji. Tassadar is also pretty good but I don't think he is code s level. Not until he can fix his PvT.

Aside from that, the rest have been using the fact that they are completely unknown to their advantage.


Wrong thread? I really am not seeing the relevance.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 21 2011 07:27 GMT
#66
Well, no matter who likes it or not, according to the deal between GSL and MLG he gets a spot because no matter how his performance in the previous Code A, he is still one of the top foreign finishers at MLG, right?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 21 2011 07:31 GMT
#67
It's okay.
Naniwa is doing the right thing by focusing on training now. Results will follow eventually. Think about HuK who was getting better, while people had no idea yet, and judged him only by current results.
On August 21 2011 16:13 Indrium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 16:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Man some of you overrate HoSeo players like crazy based on team league results.

Team league is much easier if your opponent knows nothing about you (sculp, sage, seal etc.).

The only HoSeo player that is legitimately good and has shown consistent results outside of the team league is jjakji. Tassadar is also pretty good but I don't think he is code s level. Not until he can fix his PvT.

Aside from that, the rest have been using the fact that they are completely unknown to their advantage.


Wrong thread? I really am not seeing the relevance.
I'm guessing the relevance is that some of the HoSeo players, who are very good, are still not placed that high in the Code A/S rankings. --> An example that people need to chill.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
August 21 2011 07:32 GMT
#68
Anyone know if Idra's code A invite is still valid from MLG? He's going to Korea next month, but didn't he already decline the code A invite from MLG Columbus, and does that mean he'll have to go through the qualifiers?
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
August 21 2011 07:34 GMT
#69
I don't understand how people are saying its unfair for Naniwa when Koreans get direct seeds into pool play at MLG. Its the system they have set up.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
August 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#70
Why those people on the front page even respond. Just to piss me off?
He wins MLG and get highest placing foreigner the two times afterwards. He actually accepts the invite and sells his apartment and goes to live in Korea. And you say it isn't fair that he has earned himself two spots?
Nestea can win code S three times, is that fair? Should Nestea be banned so other people can win?
Should NaNiwa be banned so 10 people can decline code A and then we get some random guy from open bracket who accepts. While NaNiwa is there practicing his ass off, does that seem fair?
I really don't understand how you people can look at a system, with rules, it's perfectly clear. And then decide that you don't like something and thus that's not how the system works.
When it's not even a decision to make for anyone but those who will accept their earned code A spots or if they pass them.
Seriously, that last part I can't stand but also give them the respect they deserve. They have more than earned their spots and if they get it 10 times in a row then so be it.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
August 21 2011 08:00 GMT
#71
No need to say sorry Nani, like you said it is just the way it is. I hope Korea is treating u well. I cant wait for you to adjust and starting kicking ass!
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 21 2011 08:05 GMT
#72
if Nani is the best placed foreigner and always one of the best foriegners at MLG, id rather he got the free code A spot then someone who came about 3-10 places after him just because he already got one invite, espceailly when he perform far better then any of the others.
Live and Let Die!
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
August 21 2011 08:16 GMT
#73
On August 21 2011 15:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 15:54 Oktyabr wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:37 skrzmark wrote:
Eh, naniwa getting invited to GSL again just means less terran for code A, Am I right?


Yeah, at the minimum, 1 less. On a sidenote, foreigner Terrans don't ever make it to the top 3 foreigner spots.

Well Sjow just accepted his Code A spot from the MLG-GSL exhange...


Because HuK is already in Code S, and either Ret/IdrA/SLush has turned down their spots. To be accurate, Sjow is one of the top 3 foreigners who accepted that spot.

I'm hoping for Select to make a deeper run next time round.
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
August 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#74
<3 Nani, I actually hope he keeps getting invited until he finally gets into code S and wins it. Would be nice to see Nani be like Huk and start owning up code s
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ABPID
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands293 Posts
August 21 2011 08:56 GMT
#75
On August 21 2011 17:16 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 15:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:54 Oktyabr wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:37 skrzmark wrote:
Eh, naniwa getting invited to GSL again just means less terran for code A, Am I right?


Yeah, at the minimum, 1 less. On a sidenote, foreigner Terrans don't ever make it to the top 3 foreigner spots.

Well Sjow just accepted his Code A spot from the MLG-GSL exhange...


Because HuK is already in Code S, and either Ret/IdrA/SLush has turned down their spots. To be accurate, Sjow is one of the top 3 foreigners who accepted that spot.

I'm hoping for Select to make a deeper run next time round.

Sjow was also in the top 3 of eligible players for Code A
Source: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/anaheim-starcraft-2-top-32/
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
August 21 2011 09:01 GMT
#76
On August 21 2011 14:06 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 14:04 Medrea wrote:
On August 21 2011 13:59 babylon wrote:
It would be unfair if he were allowed to qualify over and over again through MLG. He would pretty much be forever Code A unless he gets into Code S.

The smartest thing to do would be to include a new rule saying that one can't qualify for Code A through MLG twice in a row or something similar.


How would it be unfair? If he keeps dominating in MLG, I see no reason to keep him from it.


I actually disagree. The problem is there is a very small pool of interested individuals in going to Korea that are non-residents.

Really, the actual problem is that 3 Code A spots is too much. One or two is sufficient.


even if it was one i wouldve gotten it :D
Progamer
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
August 21 2011 09:02 GMT
#77
Naniwa won a code a spot at anaheim.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 21 2011 09:17 GMT
#78
On August 21 2011 18:01 Naniwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 14:06 FairForever wrote:
On August 21 2011 14:04 Medrea wrote:
On August 21 2011 13:59 babylon wrote:
It would be unfair if he were allowed to qualify over and over again through MLG. He would pretty much be forever Code A unless he gets into Code S.

The smartest thing to do would be to include a new rule saying that one can't qualify for Code A through MLG twice in a row or something similar.


How would it be unfair? If he keeps dominating in MLG, I see no reason to keep him from it.


I actually disagree. The problem is there is a very small pool of interested individuals in going to Korea that are non-residents.

Really, the actual problem is that 3 Code A spots is too much. One or two is sufficient.


even if it was one i wouldve gotten it :D

XD

Good luck in next season's Code A Nani!
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BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 21 2011 10:29 GMT
#79
On August 21 2011 14:34 Juvant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 14:30 Naniwa wrote:
Well i am very sorry for coming top3 foreigner at MLG everytime. that is indeed very unfair towards some of the koreans in code B who are extremly good. but thats just the way it is right now. why should i not use every method available to try to get into code S, It is true right now that my play has been broken down since i came to korea which will result in me losing a few more games in the start, but once i stabilize and get used to their style i am sure i will become a much better player.


I don't think it's something to apologize over It's helping bridge the Korean and foreign scenes. I think even the Code B players would realize the importance of that.

And I'm sure you'll show us soon that you are indeed deserving of this opportunity!


Lol...im pretty sure most of the Code B players don't care about bridging the scene, especially at the expense of their own success. If you grew up in Korea, aspired to be a programmer, and practiced everyday to get there, you too would be upset if a foreigner has a easier path than you. It's all about perspective. People want whats best for themselves. Having a global Starcraft scene may be important for a foreign spectator, but it's equally vital to understand it's completely different coming from a Korean player's perspective, especially if the effects of globalization don't directly benefit the majority of Code B players.

On a side note, its not Naniwa's fault things are like this. Yes its unfair, but the blame lies with the system, not the player.
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 10:39:46
August 21 2011 10:37 GMT
#80
On August 21 2011 16:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Man some of you overrate HoSeo players like crazy based on team league results.

Team league is much easier if your opponent knows nothing about you (sculp, sage, seal etc.).

The only HoSeo player that is legitimately good and has shown consistent results outside of the team league is jjakji. Tassadar is also pretty good but I don't think he is code s level. Not until he can fix his PvT.

Aside from that, the rest have been using the fact that they are completely unknown to their advantage.


yeah I'm sure that as GrandMasters on the korean server HoSeo doesn't ever hit anyone on the ladder... Everyone in Korea knew who Bomber and DRG were before any of the foreigners did obviously because of how many times they played them on the ladder. The IM coach was very familiar with all the players before the team was formed, and the team recruited a lot of players... but yeah they probably just picked up all these monsters by luck, and no1 ever heard of them before...Think before you post.

On August 21 2011 16:31 figq wrote:
I'm guessing the relevance is that some of the HoSeo players, who are very good, are still not placed that high in the Code A/S rankings. --> An example that people need to chill.

DRG just qualified for GSL code A. And hes been a beast and one of the scariest zergs for the last 3 months...
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