What do people expect from DotA2 - Page 2

You said Valve/Icefrog are living off their work. I'm saying Euls, Guinsoo have done little to nothing for DotA in comparison to Icefrog.

On August 18 2011 22:33 Zephirdd wrote:
DotA2 is different from HoN in that

- HoN has toooo many stupid changes ie. giving blink/leap-esque ability to every hero, or creating stupid concepts
- Porting heroes totally differently from DotA(wtf, "The Admiral" became a Gladiator? REALLY?)
- Too flashy graphics(although I could say it can be changed in your Options)

Also, personal dislikes about HoN:
- Small letters and icons - what is the point of an icon if you need bottle-glasses to see it? How the hell am I supposed to read all the words when I'm at a "safe distance" from the screen?
- herpderp microtransactions, but I guess it is a consequence of the f2p model. Still, having only 15+x heroes available at a time sucks.
- "Double Tap"? "Hat Trick"? QUAD KILL? Annihilation kinda saves itself but it is still bad. Bloodlust makes no sense. etc
- Annoying alternate announcers, and lack of UT announcer by itself(which is so awesome).


And that is why, IMO, DotA2>HoN. And I didn't even took matchmaking or other stuff into consideration(also, Steam rulez), because I haven't had the chance to try it out.

On August 19 2011 00:20 lepape wrote:


This message confirms what I thought. Most DotA players who don't enjoy HoN don't like it simply because they can't (or don't want to put the effort to) appreciate any change, not because of the gameplay.

I can understand that, but at least admit it's just a matter of personal preference. The game in itself is of really good quality, the balance is not nearly as bad as anyone pretends it is (even DotA has it's own issues). The new heroes are for the most part well thought and original, sometimes better than original DotA heroes (erm erm.... skeleton king).

If you're used to play Lion for 10 years, a ''Witch Slayer'' might look silly, even if the spells are 1:1. But when you think about it, a generic caster shooting spikes from the ground with a generic red death ray is the worse concept of the two.

On August 18 2011 23:30 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:

Still, how are they living off of Icefrog's work? What Icefrog did made DotA more popular, not LoL. It doesn't even come close to catering to the same group of people, and the amount of people going from DotA to LoL isn't really big. It's still stupid to say they "live off of his work". League of Legends earned its spot by itself. Period.

Now HoN is a different story, and you *could* argue there considering it directly takes a lot of concepts and heroes from DotA. But saying LoL lives off of Icefrog's work is, at best, ridiculous.

On August 19 2011 03:24 Fleebenworth wrote:
It's not an argument, Icefrog has undoubtedly made DotA what it is today and almost single-handedly transformed it from a fun but imbalanced custom scen on WC3 to a genre of its own which has competitive appeal.

On August 19 2011 04:23 lepape wrote:


It's a technical detail, but anyone who worked on a DotA-like map has contributed to make it a genre on it's own.

Without HoN, LoL and other such games, it wouldn't even be a genre. But I get your point, if Icefrog didn't work on DotA, the map probably wouldn't even have the appeal to be developped by other companies.

On August 18 2011 22:28 SKC wrote:
HoN is very diferent from Dota. Have someone that knows nothing about FPS games play both CS 1.6 and Source and he will tell you it's the same game. Ask any good player about it and he will tell you the diferences are huge.

There are also new items, like spellshards, that make a big diference in the way the game is played.

On August 18 2011 22:33 Zephirdd wrote:
DotA2 is different from HoN in that

- HoN has toooo many stupid changes ie. giving blink/leap-esque ability to every hero, or creating stupid concepts
- Porting heroes totally differently from DotA(wtf, "The Admiral" became a Gladiator? REALLY?)
- Too flashy graphics(although I could say it can be changed in your Options)

Also, personal dislikes about HoN:
- Small letters and icons - what is the point of an icon if you need bottle-glasses to see it? How the hell am I supposed to read all the words when I'm at a "safe distance" from the screen?
- herpderp microtransactions, but I guess it is a consequence of the f2p model. Still, having only 15+x heroes available at a time sucks.
- "Double Tap"? "Hat Trick"? QUAD KILL? Annihilation kinda saves itself but it is still bad. Bloodlust makes no sense. etc
- Annoying alternate announcers, and lack of UT announcer by itself(which is so awesome).


And that is why, IMO, DotA2>HoN. And I didn't even took matchmaking or other stuff into consideration(also, Steam rulez), because I haven't had the chance to try it out.

Too many people don't remember for some reason how LoL got it's initial popularity.
This sums up the story pretty well, the second half is interesting:
http://ninjaspartans.blogspot.com/2009/05/league-of-legends-and-dota-controversy.html

Basically LoL started out by hijacking the original DotA Allstars site and drawing attention to their own game. People were promised with a "Dota with reconnect" game and that was enough to get LoL going. If Dota 2 were ready by 2009 then make no mistake, there would be no breathing room for LoL or HoN.